Question PSA: 3070Ti's readily available on ebay

[moonbogg]

For $1700 each. Enjoy.

OK. Let's assume I just typed a mile-long rage-post about this. That would have felt good, but I'll skip it and ask a simple question: WHO TEH HELL IS BYUING HTESE FOR $1700+!?

 

[blckgrffn]

It's absolutely nuts to me, but I'm seriously pondering spending $500 on a used RX570, which was in the $150-170 range new a few years ago. So that's probably just as crazy. The problem is there's no end in sight here. For all I know that 570RX that's $500 might still be the same price in a year.

Oh man, just sold a RX 480 8GB locally for $320. Check Craigslist and FB Marketplace. They've been dropping like rocks pricing wise, I waited to long to move mine.

 

[blckgrffn]

The indie games will also run on just about any video card today. I think at this point almost every great game from the past has been modernized/reimagined in some form. Even with RTSs, people still play the old ones and many of them have fairly active communities.

My buddy plays SC2 on a GTX 460 and come Core 2 Duo machine with gosh darn Wireless G USB stick for Internet. He still has tons of fun somehow. I feel like it's some sort of crime

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It's absolutely nuts to me, but I'm seriously pondering spending $500 on a used RX570, which was in the $150-170 range new a few years ago. So that's probably just as crazy. The problem is there's no end in sight here. For all I know that 570RX that's $500 might still be the same price in a year.

$500 on a 570? If you're talking US dollars you can get a 1660 Super for that price.

 

[blckgrffn]

$500 on a 570? If you're talking US dollars you can get a 1660 Super for that price.

I was looking at 5600 xt cards just now, unfortunately they don’t seem to be hitting $500 just yet…

 

[ultimatebob]

I see that I can still sell my old GeForce 1060 6 GB card on eBay for around $350, which is about what I paid for it new. I think that I should hold out for $500, what do you think?

 

[moonbogg]

I see that I can still sell my old GeForce 1060 6 GB card on eBay for around $350, which is about what I paid for it new. I think that I should hold out for $500, what do you think?

If the shortage lasts as long as some say it will, your card will probably hit $800+ at some point. I've heard it will last until 2023. That's absolutely ridiculous. I've watched several videos on why the shortage has occurred and I still don't get it. I just can't wrap my head around how the shortage could be so severe, widespread, and have occurred so suddenly. It's pretty catastrophic and has affected basically anything with a chip in it.
Apparently car manufacturers cancelled their chip orders to try to save a buck and then other people bought up all the wafers, so they got screwed. I don't know. I do remember trying to buy my kids a switch at the start of the lockdowns and they were all sold out, and I understood people were going to be stuck at home so they wanted entertainment. I'm lucky I was able to build them each a rig with a 1660 super for msrp AFTER the lockdowns started and GPU supply was really starting to dry up all over the place. My GAWD did those kids luck out! I mean it was just in the nick of time. Right after that not a single GPU of any kind was to be found anywhere.

 

[blckgrffn]

If the shortage lasts as long as some say it will, your card will probably hit $800+ at some point. I've heard it will last until 2023. That's absolutely ridiculous. I've watched several videos on why the shortage has occurred and I still don't get it. I just can't wrap my head around how the shortage could be so severe, widespread, and have occurred so suddenly. It's pretty catastrophic and has affected basically anything with a chip in it.
Apparently car manufacturers cancelled their chip orders to try to save a buck and then other people bought up all the wafers, so they got screwed. I don't know. I do remember trying to buy my kids a switch at the start of the lockdowns and they were all sold out, and I understood people were going to be stuck at home so they wanted entertainment. I'm lucky I was able to build them each a rig with a 1660 super for msrp AFTER the lockdowns started and GPU supply was really starting to dry up all over the place. My GAWD did those kids luck out! I mean it was just in the nick of time. Right after that not a single GPU of any kind was to be found anywhere.

Right as that was going down I was working with a couple guys who were waffling on a build (you know the type, always griping about their computer but never wanting to spend?). I told them both to buy GPUs RIGHT NOW or we weren’t building. One got a 1660 Super at Best Buy that day for $220. Built a nice 10400 rig. Not great by deals of the day standard but meh. The other waited a couple weeks and it was nothing. Had him buy a Dell XPS prebuilt with a 2060 and pretty loaded for $1K since it spooked him enough to get something while he could, full buying toilet paper that’s not your brand but you have to buy what’s available style 😉

Just a couple weeks later it was bone dry!

Your kids are Super lucky you moved when you did. And lucky you didn’t sell the cards and buy them some GTX 750s a couple months ago 😂

If it keeps going this way I guess they’ll have home down payments for themselves and years of enjoyment too!

 

[Ranulf]

The ti cards this gen are awful. Sub10% performance increases and ridiculous price increases. Particularly the 3080ti.

Who else is expecting 3080 restocks to become mysteriously non existent, and 3080ti to be what starts getting the bulk of restocks?

Come on man, this is Nvidia! That will never happen! You can take that to the bank... to take out a loan for a new 3080ti.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm lucky I was able to build them each a rig with a 1660 super for msrp AFTER the lockdowns started and GPU supply was really starting to dry up all over the place. My GAWD did those kids luck out! I mean it was just in the nick of time. Right after that not a single GPU of any kind was to be found anywhere.

Yeah, I hear ya. Last Dec., around the middle of the month, I snagged like 4x RX 5700XT (yes, for mining), just before things started to get really scarce. Been making me $20/day for months, have definitely paid itself off by now. Pure profit, baby!

 

[moonbogg]

^ Wait, you mine? ::GASP:: No but jokes aside, that was a good buy for sure when you snagged them.

 

[Shmee]

Yeah, I hear ya. Last Dec., around the middle of the month, I snagged like 4x RX 5700XT (yes, for mining), just before things started to get really scarce. Been making me $20/day for months, have definitely paid itself off by now. Pure profit, baby!

What models were they and what did you pay for them? Just curious. I got mine much earlier: a Red Devil from Amazon at about MSRP ($440 about?) when I was looking to sell my 1080 Ti and I needed a good card before the 3080s came out, and a Sapphire Nitro+ model which I traded a Vega 64 Nitro+ for.

I don't mine much anymore, at least right now, due to low income and temperature of summer. So the 2 5700XTs don't do much right now but sit in backup gaming computers, though they will get used sometimes for LAN parties, either when friends come over or when I travel to an event like Quakecon and bring a smaller, backup computer.

I am actually hoping to bring the Red Devil in the Fractal Design mini C to a LAN party soon enough. That computer already went to Quakecon 2017, back when it had a Ryzen 1700 and an R9 Fury Nitro. Now it also has the 3700X as one of its upgrades.

 

[WelshBloke]

I have to be honest, I have always felt more than $500 for a video card was absolutely absurd.
Now I am starting to see value in it. Person who bought a 1080 at $600 five(?) years ago and still having a very competent 1080 card must feel nice.

I bought a 1080 on eBay 4(?) years ago and I just checked and they are selling for more on eBay now than I paid then!

 

[dlerious]

I have to be honest, I have always felt more than $500 for a video card was absolutely absurd.
Now I am starting to see value in it. Person who bought a 1080 at $600 five(?) years ago and still having a very competent 1080 card must feel nice.

I grabbed a 1080Ti for $600-$650 in 2017. Skipped the 20 series due to cost. I'd pay $700 for a 3080 if it was available at that price. I have a 1070 and Vega64 still BNIB and an 8GB 580 used for a week, but I don't want to sell them (at inflated prices) to buy a new one (at inflated prices).

 

[VirtualLarry]

Looks like my primary RX5700XT may have bit the dust, in a fit of jealous rage, while I built another PC.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Looks like my primary RX5700XT may have bit the dust, in a fit of jealous rage, while I built another PC.

What! How is that possible?
It is like 6 months old.

I know I sound like an nvidia fab boy lately.
I’ve only had ATI/AMD cards just “fail”, not many but it has happened.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What! How is that possible?
It is like 6 months old.

I bought it off of a member here for under $200 as-is, it was the reference blower design. Seller said that I should replace thermal pads and re-assemble, but when I received it, shroud was already attached, and with some undervolting, and manual fan-curve adjustments, temps seemed fine.
So I have been using it for mining that last 6 months. At approx 30 days per month for 6 months, at $5/day earnings, that card has made me around $900. So, still way worth it.

I wonder about the recent power outage, or the one before that. That one killed my powered Rosewill USB3+2 hub, and it was still attached to the PC. It may have been back-feeding dangerous voltages onto the PC's +5V line, which the HDMI output also uses.

Really, not quite sure it "died", just that I got a black screen, and it wouldn't boot Windows or even POST. It did give me the POST beep though, with it in the system.

The GT710 in it's place is working fine, though.

 

[moonbogg]

^ I'll ceremoniously feed my ducks some worms in honor of your fallen 5700XT.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I had a similar issue with my 5700xt. My pc would up and hard crash during gaming, temp profile had the gpu pegged at 108-113 deg. AMD claims up to 110 is "normal" so I started troubleshooting the PSU first. Issue still happened, so I plopped an accelero on the 5700 and not a single issue since. The thermal management on the stock blower was clearly inadequate.

 

[blckgrffn]

I had a similar issue with my 5700xt. My pc would up and hard crash during gaming, temp profile had the gpu pegged at 108-113 deg. AMD claims up to 110 is "normal" so I started troubleshooting the PSU first. Issue still happened, so I plopped an accelero on the 5700 and not a single issue since. The thermal management on the stock blower was clearly inadequate.

It was a shame that that at least the first run of 5700 xts was so blatantly messed up by the AIBs. Insufficient torque, wrong thermal pads, zero RPM fan bugs and all sorts of issues where they just weren’t assembled right plagued the whole launch.

It seemed like they got noticeably better, so it’s hard to know if AMDs requirements were just too loose or if partners just misjudged tolerances and fudged it or what.

I’ve yet to see the same reports (I may have just missed them) on RDNA2 cards so hopefully that’s a thing of the past.

I had a 5700xt that had a bios that didn’t handle the zero rpm fan correctly that I returned and a second that I had to RMA from the launch window. It was like a AMD product launch from the good old days 😂

 

[Ajay]

I’ve yet to see the same reports (I may have just missed them) on RDNA2 cards so hopefully that’s a thing of the past.

I had a 5700xt that had a bios that didn’t handle the zero rpm fan correctly that I returned and a second that I had to RMA from the launch window. It was like a AMD product launch from the good old days 😂

I think Steve @ GN panned AMD badged cards, but the AIB did a much better job. It wasn't just AMD (ATI) in the old days - I bought a Geforce 2 at a Best Buy sale and a couple of days later I heard a sudden 'thunk'. The heatsink fell off and hit the bottom of the case .

 

[blckgrffn]

@Ajay yeah maybe - all the issues I mentioned were AIBs (a whole run of MSI cards with the wrong height thermal pads on the memory? The zero DB (aka as it never would start the fans once stopped until 100C - or just never) was a aftermarket type issue. ASUS having end users tighten their own HS screws because they used the wrong torque spec, all the things I mentioned) were AIB issues. Personally speaking, I had great luck with the oem blower style cards but I acknowledge that is purely anecdotal. I know they had lower performance ceilings, generally.

It was nuts because there were some driver issues but all these half-baked cards had to have hurt the overall quality perception. If your getting blinky black screens is it drivers? Bum hardware? A mix of the two is a terrible situation for customers and vendors.

I guess the point was the Internet didn’t burn down with reports of terrible cards OR drivers when the 6xxx Radeon series came out.

Yes, @moonbogg I know part of it was that not enough kidneys were offered to the GPU gods to grant us enough to get a good gauge of it launch, but seems like at least the miners would have grumbled. I personally would have been less likely to buy them secondhand had I gotten wind of similar situation.

Anyway, I think the 3070ti is a bum card and in an MSRP world it would have landed with a thud.

 

[psolord]

-There is such a glut of incredible indie game content on Steam right now that easily matches some of the nostalgia inducing greats of the past.

Yes, the milsim jingoistic shooter porn genre is there for sure in the AAA space, but there has never been a better or more bountiful time for PC gamers to find something new in the genre they love.

Except for RTS games. That genre is ****ing dead man.

RTS games are not that dead.

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Iron Harvest

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and even the latest USA DLC of AOEIII, ain't half bad.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Duke Nukem

I started replaying Far Cry 2 and it almost feels as great as DN3D in 1996.

Reality Is Our Game 😈

 

[aigomorla]

Except for RTS games. That genre is ****ing dead man.

actually no... it lives on with vengence in the form called DOTA / League of Legends.

Unless your talking about starcraft 2, which again... no... sc2 still has a big following, and D.VA from Overwatch still can't win against her father in a 1v1 on it.

I have to be honest, I have always felt more than $500 for a video card was absolutely absurd.

i was the other way around...always had a large spending, mostly due to SLI/Xfire.

Then Nvidia killed SLI.... yup... RIP SLI... you were awesome in voodoo days, then nvidia completely butchered the hell out of you and let you to die in some dark dank ally.

It's absolutely nuts to me, but I'm seriously pondering spending $500 on a used RX570, which was in the $150-170 range new a few years ago. So that's probably just as crazy. The problem is there's no end in sight here. For all I know that 570RX that's $500 might still be the same price in a year.

This is the problem... the vendor level even are milking it as much as possible.
All the prices have gone up since initial launch. Do you think they will ever go down?
You think MSI will say, "Hey guys we took care of our shortages and we will now reduce the price on all our cards enjoy".

Ummm yeah right..

 

[Mopetar]

Of course MSI won't, but ASUS might have a little extra stock they want to move and will be willing to sell the cards at grossly inflated price minus $10, especially if they suspect that GIGABYTE might beat them to the punch in doing so.

Also SLI mostly died because a single card became capable of delivering acceptable frame rates at top settings. The extra work to get titles to support multiple cards stopped being worth the hassle. I'm sure Nvidia didn't lose any sleep over it since they'd rather sell you a 3090 instead of letting you run 3060 Ti's in SLI, but even a single 3060 Ti is going to deliver great performance relative to what the top end cards of older generations could achieve.