PS3 sale forecast cut by 6 millions!!!! SONY CEO still think it's too cheap

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Serp86
seeing as there is a surplus of ps3 in usa and japan, why the heck dont they just go ahead for an early european release?

Japan and USA = NTSC. Europe = PAL.

Slightly different manufacturing process.

oh - an yeah - this christmas i got a ps2 - found one used with a HUGE library of great games for $200. However i am greatly interested in the upcoming ps3 titles, and would like to see them sooner.

Good luck with that. It is looking like all the "must haves" for the PS3 won't be coming until the end of this year at the earliest.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: DLeRium
At 499, 599, I think it would be ridiculous. If you want true gaming, game on a PC. If you want to play fun games with 4 ppl, do it on a Wii. That's why I like the Gamecube. You don't play freaking mario kart or mario party or smash bros on a computer. Halo and stuff like that deserve to be played with a mouse and keyboard. If you're anywhere near serious about FPSes, you would be one of those hardcore CSers. But who on consoles are really hardcore anyways? You can still casually multiplayer in FPSes on your computer...

I'm surprised the console gamers here let this drivel pass uncontested.

It's pointless. The majority of PC gamers are elitists, whereas console gamers just don't care about PC gamers. However PC gamers don't understand that fact and will continue to bash consoles.

Thanks for the generalization. Each system has it's place. However, I too agree than FPS are done best on the PC. Same thing goes for RTS games too. There's just nothing as easy for each of those genres as a keyboard and mouse. Since we've already got USB ports on all these next gen consoles, how about support for keyboard and mouse on consoles so us PC gamers have another reason to leave the PC.

 

[NuroMancer]

I don't doubt the news, there are ps3's sitting on the shelves here too. The price tag is just too high, not to mention, the porn industry went HD-DVD, so whats the point of the blue ray player?

 

[lobbyone]

My local BB has dozens of PS3 on shelves, and most of it are "open items", would you believe that its price tag is $499?

 

[funboy6942]

Its the damn cost, dump blu-ray and put a dvd player in it, fix the PS2 backward compatibility with it, sell it for $299 and I will buy it before the Wii and a X360.
Plain and simple. I can play my library of PS2 games on it while I wait for more games for the PS3. I wont buy the X360 for the problems its having right now with heat, lock ups, and rings of death out of nowhere, so if they would fix the above mentioned Id buy the PS3 over the other two right away.

And if not too much put back in the rumble feature and ditch the stupid motion crap I will never use.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: funboy42
Its the damn cost, dump blu-ray and put a dvd player in it, fix the PS2 backward compatibility with it, sell it for $299 and I will buy it before the Wii and a X360.

Won't happen. The PS3 is and forever will be tied to Blu-Ray.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: funboy42
Its the damn cost, dump blu-ray and put a dvd player in it, fix the PS2 backward compatibility with it, sell it for $299 and I will buy it before the Wii and a X360.

Won't happen. The PS3 is and forever will be tied to Blu-Ray.

I know and they wont sell any for a long time because of it. Stupid asses.

And because of that I'm without a new generation console but the Wii. Wont buy a 360 till that gets fixed and a lot of issues with it are addressed. Then maybe I will get one.

 

[lobbyone]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: funboy42
Its the damn cost, dump blu-ray and put a dvd player in it, fix the PS2 backward compatibility with it, sell it for $299 and I will buy it before the Wii and a X360.

Won't happen. The PS3 is and forever will be tied to Blu-Ray.

I know and they wont sell any for a long time because of it. Stupid asses.

Well, Sony's already thinking of PS4...with no BD/DVD/CD drive at all?

 

[NuroMancer]

Originally posted by: funboy42
Its the damn cost, dump blu-ray and put a dvd player in it, fix the PS2 backward compatibility with it, sell it for $299 and I will buy it before the Wii and a X360.
Plain and simple. I can play my library of PS2 games on it while I wait for more games for the PS3. I wont buy the X360 for the problems its having right now with heat, lock ups, and rings of death out of nowhere, so if they would fix the above mentioned Id buy the PS3 over the other two right away.

And if not too much put back in the rumble feature and ditch the stupid motion crap I will never use.

Most people as far as I know arn't having that kind of trouble with their 360's anymore...

Also, why would you buy a PS3 now to play PS2 games on it?

Seriously, save your money, and buy it if/when it has decent games.....

 

[Adul]

before xmas i saw them sitting at several retailers unsold. Went to fry's electronics yesterday and there is a good sized pile there sitting unsold. All I did was laugh at it.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
Thanks for the generalization. Each system has it's place. However, I too agree than FPS are done best on the PC. Same thing goes for RTS games too. There's just nothing as easy for each of those genres as a keyboard and mouse. Since we've already got USB ports on all these next gen consoles, how about support for keyboard and mouse on consoles so us PC gamers have another reason to leave the PC.

I agree that the mouse/KB definitely offers greater precision and favors twitch gameplay for FPS, but it really depend on how you look at as to whether or not that is an advantage. I think it's great for multiplayer since I prefer fast paced gameplay for multiplayer, but is it realistic? The mouse essentially turn FPS games into point-n-click games. I'd argue that using analog sticks actually forces you to aim. Sure, the mechanics of the aiming aren't the same as a real gun, but I'd say the end result is closer to realistic.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: bennylong

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: bennylong

Originally posted by: herkulease
you need to do some reading man.

An analyst group cut the ps3 sale forecast, NOT Sony.

And you're going to trust SONY? Oh boy...

You didn't buy Betamax and the Mini disc, did you?

What does trust in sony have anything to do with it. Its gonna be a while before Sony will admit they miss forecast figures. Public Statements that you aren't going to make numbers are not good. While analyst reports do some damage, its worst when it comes from the horse's mouth.

Sony will never admit their mistake. You have to remember they are Japanese.

A good number of those f'ers refuse to acknowledge/remember the atrocities they commited against Koreans/Chinese. We definitely didn't forget...

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: DLeRium
At 499, 599, I think it would be ridiculous. If you want true gaming, game on a PC. If you want to play fun games with 4 ppl, do it on a Wii. That's why I like the Gamecube. You don't play freaking mario kart or mario party or smash bros on a computer. Halo and stuff like that deserve to be played with a mouse and keyboard. If you're anywhere near serious about FPSes, you would be one of those hardcore CSers. But who on consoles are really hardcore anyways? You can still casually multiplayer in FPSes on your computer...

I'm surprised the console gamers here let this drivel pass uncontested.

It's pointless. The majority of PC gamers are elitists, whereas console gamers just don't care about PC gamers. However PC gamers don't understand that fact and will continue to bash consoles.

Thanks for the generalization. Each system has it's place. However, I too agree than FPS are done best on the PC. Same thing goes for RTS games too. There's just nothing as easy for each of those genres as a keyboard and mouse. Since we've already got USB ports on all these next gen consoles, how about support for keyboard and mouse on consoles so us PC gamers have another reason to leave the PC.

Because people don't want to make a console look like it's a computer hooked up to the TV. Consoles have their place in the family entertainment center, whereas PC's typically don't. PC's are much more complicated to setup than a console is to the general user.

Oh and your welcome for my generalization, just like the generalizations made that console gamers can't be hardcore gamers, or that playing an FPS on a console is stupid because there is no kb/m support.

I find it funny that PC gamers always use that same excuse about not having a mouse/keyboard, when all it is really saying is they can't adjust to using a controller because it's harder to use.

 

[Shadowknight]

Only reason I'm considering buying one is as a cheap blue-ray machine. Gaming is secondary. Before anyone bashes me, I also own a HD-DVD player, and consider myself "format neutral." I just want to be able to watch movies in hi-def that are blue-ray exclusive. LG screwed up a bit, but they'll be replaced by dual format players anyway, regardless of what you buy. Being able to use my movies in the future is all that matters to me.

 

[Wreckem]

In the DFW area there were plenty of PS3s sitting around unsold before christmas, and piles and piles after christmas. In Lubbock TX a week or so ago there were ~50 PS3 premiums sitting on a Best Buy end cap.

If I recall correctly the only system to sell out over the holidays was the Nintendo DS Lite. In fact they are still sold out at most stores with shipments not coming for another week or two.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

I agree that the mouse/KB definitely offers greater precision and favors twitch gameplay for FPS, but it really depend on how you look at as to whether or not that is an advantage. I think it's great for multiplayer since I prefer fast paced gameplay for multiplayer, but is it realistic? The mouse essentially turn FPS games into point-n-click games. I'd argue that using analog stick actually forces you to aim. Sure, the mechanics of the aiming aren't the same as a real gun, but I'd say the end result is closer to realistic.

you'd think that with the focus on analog sticks they'd have designed them for proper holding, which is between the thumb and forefinger.

Originally posted by: Wreckem
If I recall correctly the only system to sell out over the holidays was the Nintendo DS Lite. In fact they are still sold out at most stores with shipments not coming for another week or two.

i haven't seen a wii on a store shelf yet.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you'd think that with the focus on analog sticks they'd have designed them for proper holding, which is between the thumb and forefinger.

Ummm... no. Why would you want to hold them with two fingers? That would seem to hinder your ability to use other buttons at the same time. They work fine as they are now, though I wish Sony would buy a clue and put the left analog stick in the primary position.

 

[SpanishFry]

good, hopefully this will be a lesson to any console maker thinking of a $500+ machine in the near future.

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you'd think that with the focus on analog sticks they'd have designed them for proper holding, which is between the thumb and forefinger.

Ummm... no. Why would you want to hold them with two fingers? That would seem to hinder your ability to use other buttons at the same time. They work fine as they are now, though I wish Sony would buy a clue and put the left analog stick in the primary position.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Ummm... no. Why would you want to hold them with two fingers? That would seem to hinder your ability to use other buttons at the same time. They work fine as they are now, though I wish Sony would buy a clue and put the left analog stick in the primary position.

you're far more accurate holding sticks that way. it's why R/C airplane controllers use narrow sticks. and how many other buttons do you ever push with your left hand?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you'd think that with the focus on analog sticks they'd have designed them for proper holding, which is between the thumb and forefinger.

Ummm... no. Why would you want to hold them with two fingers? That would seem to hinder your ability to use other buttons at the same time. They work fine as they are now, though I wish Sony would buy a clue and put the left analog stick in the primary position.

reread Elfenix's post

I think you are the confused one ...

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Ummm... no. Why would you want to hold them with two fingers? That would seem to hinder your ability to use other buttons at the same time. They work fine as they are now, though I wish Sony would buy a clue and put the left analog stick in the primary position.

you're far more accurate holding sticks that way. it's why R/C airplane controllers use narrow sticks. and how many other buttons do you ever push with your left hand?

Quite a few. On a psx/xbox360 controller, you have 2 left trigger type buttons. You also have a D-pad. You also can press the analog stick in as another button.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Thraxen

I agree that the mouse/KB definitely offers greater precision and favors twitch gameplay for FPS, but it really depend on how you look at as to whether or not that is an advantage. I think it's great for multiplayer since I prefer fast paced gameplay for multiplayer, but is it realistic? The mouse essentially turn FPS games into point-n-click games. I'd argue that using analog stick actually forces you to aim. Sure, the mechanics of the aiming aren't the same as a real gun, but I'd say the end result is closer to realistic.

you'd think that with the focus on analog sticks they'd have designed them for proper holding, which is between the thumb and forefinger.

Originally posted by: Wreckem
If I recall correctly the only system to sell out over the holidays was the Nintendo DS Lite. In fact they are still sold out at most stores with shipments not coming for another week or two.

i haven't seen a wii on a store shelf yet.

Theres not as many of them sitting around as the PS3 or Xbox 360 but they are around. Most places keep them locked up as their boxes are significantly smaller than the PS3 or Xbox 360.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Quite a few. On a psx/xbox360 controller, you have 2 left trigger type buttons. You also have a D-pad. You also can press the analog stick in as another button.

on an x360 or psx controller you have to take your thumb off the stick to push the dpad buttons anyway, and your middle and ring finger could be used to press the trigger buttons. you could even push the stick in by using your fingers.

when you think of an actual point, feel free to come back.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Quite a few. On a psx/xbox360 controller, you have 2 left trigger type buttons. You also have a D-pad. You also can press the analog stick in as another button.

on an x360 or psx controller you have to take your thumb off the stick to push the dpad buttons anyway, and your middle and ring finger could be used to press the trigger buttons. you could even push the stick in by using your fingers.

when you think of an actual point, feel free to come back.

lol ... you asked what other buttons are pressed with the left hand, and I told you.

and the point Thraxen is making is that holding the analog with an index finger and a thumb completely changes your grip on the controller.

just admit it, using your thumb to aim is too tough for you so you just complain about it's bad design.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Just wait until more games come out. PS3 doesn't have the killer app yet to sell millions of systems. The 360 didn't either when it launched. Hell, the 360 just really got it's first one - Gears of War. The PS3's will probably be Devil May Cry 4 or Final Fantasy XIII.