PS3 Modchip

Tristicus

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www.wallpapereuphoria.com
http://psjailbreak.com/index.php

http://psx-scene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64935

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOEbZEkp9A&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDaGne0u-4


While I think it is real...part of me says it isn't. Probably the part that doesn't want the system to be broken, and probably the comments on the first YouTube video calling it fake and pointing out the disc sound, but also the dimming of the lights in the second one then making them come back up so you can't see his reflection in the PS3...I dunno.
 

smackababy

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From what I can tell, it was done on a debug console, so it might not work on retail version. I think I am going to wait this one out and see what happens. Maybe if some legit site or even user pays for one and confirms it works on the newest firmware, I might jump in for one.

I also have a feeling a firmware update will fix this. Or Sony will just disable USB support.
 
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Also, they've showed off 2 games. LBP and infamous. Both are Downloadable games.

Backup manager is also only supported on a dev console, not a retail console.

Anyway, I bet Sony will just jump on this, and fully strip backup support from the PS3, instead of apparently just locking out access to the backup manager
 
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Terzo

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It's a good thing sony removed linux, otherwise something like this might happen. (I'm sure it's not necessarily the same thing but honestly I don't know enough about hacking/modding to understand them, so here's a preemptive piss off).

From what I can tell, it was done on a debug console, so it might not work on retail version. I think I am going to wait this one out and see what happens. Maybe if some legit site or even user pays for one and confirms it works on the newest firmware, I might jump in for one.

I also have a feeling a firmware update will fix this. Or Sony will just disable USB support.

How would we recharge our controllers?
 

smackababy

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Also, they've showed off 2 games. LBP and infamous. Both are Downloadable games.

Backup manager is also only supported on a dev console, not a retail console

I believe that is what the mod chip does though, enable things not available. But, like I said, until someone reputable (in my eyes) confirms this works on a retail console, I won't be buying it. They also shown off a Ratchet and Clank game.

How would we recharge our controllers?
Clearly, this was a serious remark...
 

Tristicus

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It's a good thing sony removed linux, otherwise something like this might happen. (I'm sure it's not necessarily the same thing but honestly I don't know enough about hacking/modding to understand them, so here's a preemptive piss off).



How would we recharge our controllers?
They can disable a connection to the system and not power to them one would think.
 

Tristicus

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Anyways, if it is working, and people get it, and Sony releases a firmware update, somebody will update and it will break it and people that want to update will be mad. If they can't break it for the next firmware, then people will have to stay at that one, and when they release new games, everyone will be SOL. Then again, if they made this, they can probably make another, and also people will probably buy a new PS3 for new games?
 

purbeast0

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The real problem with this would be the Arcade Stick I have no longer working. That would just piss me off.

or usb keyboards, or usb mice, or usb flash drives, or usb digital cameras, or usb hard drives...

whoever thinks for a second they would seriously remove usb support is a fucking moron.
 

Narmer

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Perhaps the point of this is to turn retail PS3s into debug PS3s? That way, you can do exactly what they say you can.
 

herkulease

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they are wanting 150 bucks? forget it. give it 1 week or so and someone will clone it and release it for free if it truly works.
 

Thraxen

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I'll believe it when I see it in the hands of customers. We've seen claims like this a few times before. However, if this is true I find it somewhat hilarious. Sony kills Linux to make a preemptive strike against piracy and now someone has seemingly developed a hack to play back-ups (something the Linux hadn't yet achieved) completely outside the "Other OS" option. Good job Sony.
 

borisvodofsky

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This is good... Can't wait to load up B-ray Iso and play off an SSD... Droooool

Gonna get a vertex 2 or 3 as soon as a working mod chip comes out...

FUCK load times,,, I H8 with mega passion
 

Sahakiel

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This is good... Can't wait to load up B-ray Iso and play off an SSD... Droooool

Except PS3 doesn't see much improvement with SSD. Something about drive encryption, last I heard.
Still, even a 5400RPM laptop drive is faster than BD.
 

borisvodofsky

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Except PS3 doesn't see much improvement with SSD. Something about drive encryption, last I heard.
Still, even a 5400RPM laptop drive is faster than BD.


What I ment was, if they can dump complete images onto SSDs and load that.. SURELY it's faster.

And it'll probably require hacking the decryption mechanism anyway. :eek:
 

BenJeremy

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I'll believe it when I see it in the hands of customers. We've seen claims like this a few times before. However, if this is true I find it somewhat hilarious. Sony kills Linux to make a preemptive strike against piracy and now someone has seemingly developed a hack to play back-ups (something the Linux hadn't yet achieved) completely outside the "Other OS" option. Good job Sony.

Very astute observation about Sony getting kicked in the pants AFTER removing the option.... the reality is, like Wii and Xbox360 hacks, mod hackers always - ALWAYS have tricks up their sleeves for different contingencies. In this case, Sony forced their hands by removing the "Other OS" option, and actually made the hack "legit" in many countries (because there was no other option, now, for people to run homebrew).

As for this hack, it looks very legit. They sent out plenty of samples, and actual units are shipping. It's been independently verified by several people.

The USB key is basically a Sony "factory device" - it allows the device to boot the PS3 as a devbox, which allows unsigned code. I don't know all the particulars, but what I've seen described is that the USB device is an encrypted key that enables this - I'm not sure if it allows the firmware to be patched or what, people are still working on it. In short, though, it runs unsigned code, so anybody with a Sony PS3 devkit will be able to run software on this.

For now, though, it's running the Devbox PS3 "Backup Manager". Looks like a duck, quacks like duck, but it's really just a hacked retail box.

What will Sony do to stop this? Might be nothing they can do. Assuming their usual approach to console tech, the key probably interacts with a hard-coded security chip. I doubt they anticipated revoking access - but if the USB dongle prevents firmware updates, and allows custom updates, we'll see similar responses to firmware updates like we've seen with the Wii and Xbox 360 (JTAG mod).

Just my 2cents worth, as an old-school homebrew scene guy from the Original Xbox days (MXM was my contribution)
 

mmntech

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Very astute observation about Sony getting kicked in the pants AFTER removing the option.... the reality is, like Wii and Xbox360 hacks, mod hackers always - ALWAYS have tricks up their sleeves for different contingencies. In this case, Sony forced their hands by removing the "Other OS" option, and actually made the hack "legit" in many countries (because there was no other option, now, for people to run homebrew).

Apparently Geohot couldn't even access the GPU though his hack that exploited Other OS, meaning it was useless for pirating games.

This is one of the reasons why I think gaming hardware will be replaced sooner rather than later. I'm going to make a bold prediction and say the next generation of consoles may be the last.

Any hardware and software encryption they use can be broken and will be broken. With cloud based gaming, it takes both out of the user's hands. It's really dependent on broadband growth and whether or not OnLive succeeds. Sony has already taken out a patent for their own cloud gaming service. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the norm by 2020.
 

BenJeremy

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Apparently Geohot couldn't even access the GPU though his hack that exploited Other OS, meaning it was useless for pirating games.

This is one of the reasons why I think gaming hardware will be replaced sooner rather than later. I'm going to make a bold prediction and say the next generation of consoles may be the last.

Any hardware and software encryption they use can be broken and will be broken. With cloud based gaming, it takes both out of the user's hands. It's really dependent on broadband growth and whether or not OnLive succeeds. Sony has already taken out a patent for their own cloud gaming service. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the norm by 2020.

Interesting idea, and given OnLive or whatever they call it, "streaming gaming" is certainly now a viable option... but I think another alternative is around the corner which will render piracy a much more difficult proposition, both for games and media - a trend back to solid state from optical media. Flash continues to drop in price, and it follows that masked ROM is even cheaper. Some sort of hybrid with active encryption (challenge/response system, revokable keys, etc...), in a custom package the industry uses STRICTLY for media, will likely become a standard. Expect an SD-card sized package, with a pinout the requires an encrypted connection (think about HDCP protection for 1080p signals, for example).

Eliminating optical media means fewer moving parts, less heat, longer life. An SDHC slot for "user media" (home movies, music, etc...), USB for peripherals, and WiFi and Wired ethernet.

For media alone, the box wouldn't cost more than $20 to make - you could give them away with a movie; for next-gen consoles, you also reduce the costs, and you create playback media that can't be duplicated using hacked firmware, burned discs, or hard drives. In fact, devs would get special keys that could allow their program builds to be loaded - a commodity that could be tightly controlled by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. I could even see Microsoft developing a reader tied to the OS using signed components or even something tied into new motherboards, to provide apps and games through the same sort of media.

ROM Carts didn't stop piracy for older systems, but until the Gameboy/DS, it was pretty rare because the systems were so expensive. Even so, older consoles simply had no real protection mechanisms (cost was the prohibitive factor for would-be pirates, with copy systems costing two or three times the console itself). The DS carts have some encryption, and Nintendo has made efforts to stymie efforts like the R4, both in their copy protection system and using legal maneuvers... but when combined with current console protection methods and tighter, more active encryption systems, carts can become pretty much impossible (for current means) to crack. The precedent Nintendo has set in cracking down on factories making R4 chips will also make it tougher, in the future, for mod chippers to operate, even if they could crack an active encryption system.

That's my idea. Streaming is certainly an important technology for movies (re: Netflix) and gaming, but users will always prefer, in the majority, media that they can hold in their hands and play any time, any where.
 

fatpat268

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Any hardware and software encryption they use can be broken and will be broken. With cloud based gaming, it takes both out of the user's hands. It's really dependent on broadband growth and whether or not OnLive succeeds. Sony has already taken out a patent for their own cloud gaming service. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the norm by 2020.

Ugh, I hate that term: cloud.

I dread the day that I'm required to be on the internet to do anything.
 

herkulease

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its gonna be a while before cloud gaming takes off in the US. 9 years just isn't enough time in my book.

In asia perhaps where broadband penetration is great. the Obama's administration dream of 100mbit connections for 100 million households is a pipe dream.

It took nearly 10 years of "promises" before cable internet ever got to my old house. By that time I already using dsl for years.

anyhow from what I read of this ps3 thing. Its not truly a hack or mod like the wii or 360. Essentially the front keys were stolen from the factory. I highly doubt sony prepared themselves for something like that.

Oh and I wonder why the hell did they tag the name "jailbreak" to it. what are we breaking out of. at least with the ipod touch/iphone/ipad it was from apple's walled garden.
 
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