Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
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A little objectivity wouldn't kill you, especially if you're referencing this article.Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: Shortcut
what's up with sony these days? delayed ps3, recalled laptop batteries, delayed sony reader...the hits just keep coming
don't forget the cd music rootkits.
And the Blu Ray drives that wouldn't read BR discs
The Blu-ray drives require HDCP and a DVI/HDMI output to read commercial discs. You need (A) an HDCP compatible graphics card and (B) playback software that can read BD-ROM media. If you read the article past the title, you would see that the issue is a lack of software that reads BD media - like PowerDVD, WinDVD, etc.
Neither of these issues have anything to do with the drive itself. The same problems may plague HD DVD standalone drives.
There are HDCP capable graphics cards on the market now. The only thing missing is BD software. There is a fellow at AVSforum that put together a media center using a Sony BD drive and a Japanese version of WinDVD that reads BD media - and guess what, it works just fine.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=706739
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
A little objectivity wouldn't kill you, especially if you're referencing this article.Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: Shortcut
what's up with sony these days? delayed ps3, recalled laptop batteries, delayed sony reader...the hits just keep coming
don't forget the cd music rootkits.
And the Blu Ray drives that wouldn't read BR discs
The Blu-ray drives require HDCP and a DVI/HDMI output to read commercial discs. You need (A) an HDCP compatible graphics card and (B) playback software that can read BD-ROM media. If you read the article past the title, you would see that the issue is a lack of software that reads BD media - like PowerDVD, WinDVD, etc.
Neither of these issues have anything to do with the drive itself. The same problems may plague HD DVD standalone drives.
There are HDCP capable graphics cards on the market now. The only thing missing is BD software. There is a fellow at AVSforum that put together a media center using a Sony BD drive and a Japanese version of WinDVD that reads BD media - and guess what, it works just fine.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=706739
Wait. Sony develops applications like Vegas and they can't either
1. Bundle in their own software to run Blu-Ray movies
2. Work with the makers of WinDVD or PowerDVD to incorporate the codec needed to play the movies.
Are these people freaking retarded? Yeah, here's the drive, but you can only use 50% of it's feature set.
They are pushing Blu-Ray so hard, how much time has passed and they couldn't freaking work with someone to do this?
Dude, you can stick up for Sony all you like, but they're only out for themselves and they ultimately screw the customer over and over again.
Believe me, this doesn't just have to do with the PS2 and PS3 problems. Check into the C-13 problems, the rootkit problems and more.. It's just the tip of the iceberg.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
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1. Vegas is an authoring tool and does not compete with media players from Intervideo and Cyberlink.
2. You've done a wonderful job of trivializing the effort involved in incorporating the various BD and HD codecs into a software package - not to mention making sure the entire stream is AACS compliant. Intervideo announced (May 2006) WinDVD 8 would incorporate BD-ROM playback. Cyberlink made a similar announcement for PowerDVD even earlier this year (March 2006). And neither of them are on sale yet. You can't bundle unreleased software.
Where are the HD DVD PC drives and playback software? Oh, you mean there aren't any?
The Sony Vaio desktop and notebook PCs came with a stripped down version of WinDVD 8 called WinDVD BD that allows playback of blu-ray movies. It must have been an exclusive deal because WinDVD BD isn't available anywhere else.
I couldn't care less about the laptop battery or rootkit controversy, because honestly they have zero relevance to the format war. If correcting idiotic comments from people like you and BrunoPuntzJones' is considered sticking up for Sony, then so be it.
BrunoPuntzJones
Lifer
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French my trench bud.
I was going with what I've read elsewhere. Once the "bad" part of the news is out, any further clarification doesn't have as much impact as the initial news. So BR drives may not have been as borked as originally reported, but it's still a poke in their ass.
Kinda like in the newspaper reporting some guy is a sex offender. Then the next day having a correction saying that it was mistaken identity. Damage already done...
I don't have a hard-on against Sony, I'm not a console guy.
I was going with what I've read elsewhere. Once the "bad" part of the news is out, any further clarification doesn't have as much impact as the initial news. So BR drives may not have been as borked as originally reported, but it's still a poke in their ass.
Kinda like in the newspaper reporting some guy is a sex offender. Then the next day having a correction saying that it was mistaken identity. Damage already done...
I don't have a hard-on against Sony, I'm not a console guy.
will stores let me purchase 2, 3, or more PS3's? For a grand profit each I'll wait in line 24 hours in advance
I also wonder what stores would be the best to go to.. BestBuy, CompUSA? Or smaller places like Microcenter...
I don't understand the waiting 24hrs to buy ONE game system to sell? Think bigger.
For example, there are approx. 2000 or so Walmarts in the US. Figure each gets an average of 10 units. So about 20,000 units for a large retail chain. Thats not a whole lot. A fairly wealthy individual (or group) can easily purchase that amount directly from Sony. If the profit by reselling on ebay (as opposed to a forced retail price point for Walmart, Bestbuy, compusa, etc.) is guaranteed, I see no reason why someone shouldn't do it.
I think if it were as easy as just "buying a ps3 from sony" everyone would do it lol. What exactly do you mean?
doubtful....preferred merchants (those who buy the most sony products) are the ones who will get priority when ordering. at the same time, they cant give all the systems to Walmart/Best Buy, so it's going to be a huge juggling act as to who gets what. Especially since Sony is probably losing money on every system they sell, they want to sell to stores which will also purchase a large number of accessories and games to sell as well.
I remember for the PS2, Best Buy got the hookups. The store where I worked, they received 150+ units, whereas the Target and Circuit City nearby us received 20 or so.
I would expect the same this year, with Best Buy getting the largest # of p3's per store.
mugs
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/raises hand
Victim of the C 13:00 issue right here. $300 piece of ****** Sony DVD player lasted 14 months.
Also a victim of the PS2 disc read errors.
And my wife's Vaio has this funny problem where it won't boot up unless you put pressure on a certain spot with your knee. It's a common problem with her model.
Never again will I buy Sony electronics.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
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While you may have a point about many of Sony products, it has zero relevance to the current argument. Using Sony's past indiscretion as a reason to bash the BD-ROM drive is a strawman argument through and through. It's a complete misdirection from the original argument, which was (and let me bold it and be very clear so someone like you can understand):
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the Sony BD drive. It reads and burns discs just as it's supposed to.
Bruno made a incorrect post about the Sony PC drive's inability to read commercial movies. I corrected his comment. Then you started some tirade about how Sony should have bundled a media player with the drive and how they pillaged and plundered your town.
I own ZERO Sony products and I couldn't care less about the controversy around many of their products. There are plenty of legitimate reasons why you could bitch about Blu-ray. Not bundling a media player with a perfectly good BD-R burner is not one of them.
Aha I was waiting for it! Anybody that sticks up for Big Bad companies is immediately labeled a fanboy. Whereas the idiots spreading FUD are somehow more enlightened than the rest of us. Maybe you would like to come by my place and count the Sony branded electronics that I own - I think you might be surprised what you (don't) find.
Either you were a journalist in a past life or just have the stench of one, because your ability to selectively quote and spin my posts is amazing. WinDVD BD is only available with the Sony Vaio desktop and notebook PC's. There are BD burners from Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung and none of them are bundled with a media player. WinDVD BD must have been exclusive with the Vaio products because it isn't available anywhere else. Sony made an exclusive deal to improve sales of their Vaio products - what a concept, a company looking out for itself. Yes it sucks for anybody hoping to set up their own media center PC, but they'll just have to wait for a complete product suite from Intervideo or Cyberlink.
Do you work in video production for Microsoft because only somebody with a vested interest in seeing Blu-ray fail would gnash teeths like this.:roll:
And you never answered my question. Where are the HD DVD PC drives and the media players for them?
Well I think it's pretty much worthless to keep this going. It's obvious you don't have a rational thought in your head.
"Sony made an exclusive deal to improve sales"
"And neither of them are on sale yet. You can't bundle unreleased software. "
""The Sony Vaio desktop and notebook PCs came with a stripped down version of WinDVD 8 called WinDVD BD"
My original post was why couldn't sony bundle the software with the PC DVD drive. You've still never answered that question. It's because they didn't want to. Plain and simple. You then say they can't bundle because it's not on sale. But you're a flippin idiot because you yourself point out they have already bundled the software with their own line of laptops!
Dude, you're running around chasing your tail.
Where exactly did I spread FUD? Do you actually know what FUD is? I spoke my mind about a product and Sony's past.
And further more, their past piss poor product support and lack of on-time delivery of products is totally relevant. Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean it's not.
Again, I NEVER said anything was wrong with Sony. But you're twisting words and making up a fight. I said they were also a software development company and it's PATHETIC they can't work with a third party or create their own. Either way, I don't give a flying crap what you think. It's piss poor customer service and product support.
No PC HD-DVD unit has been released. NEC will release one in October that uses WinDVD for HD playback. Toshiba released a laptop in May that plays HD-DVD movies using WinDVD.
But I guess Sony only had a deal with WinDVD. That's actually NOT correct. WinDVD's latest version is bundled with a few laptops as OEM software. It wasn't specific to Sony. But then again, Sony couldn't release this software that 3 other companies are using because it's not available for sell!!
"Sony made an exclusive deal to improve sales"
"And neither of them are on sale yet. You can't bundle unreleased software. "
""The Sony Vaio desktop and notebook PCs came with a stripped down version of WinDVD 8 called WinDVD BD"
My original post was why couldn't sony bundle the software with the PC DVD drive. You've still never answered that question. It's because they didn't want to. Plain and simple. You then say they can't bundle because it's not on sale. But you're a flippin idiot because you yourself point out they have already bundled the software with their own line of laptops!
Dude, you're running around chasing your tail.
Where exactly did I spread FUD? Do you actually know what FUD is? I spoke my mind about a product and Sony's past.
And further more, their past piss poor product support and lack of on-time delivery of products is totally relevant. Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean it's not.
Again, I NEVER said anything was wrong with Sony. But you're twisting words and making up a fight. I said they were also a software development company and it's PATHETIC they can't work with a third party or create their own. Either way, I don't give a flying crap what you think. It's piss poor customer service and product support.
No PC HD-DVD unit has been released. NEC will release one in October that uses WinDVD for HD playback. Toshiba released a laptop in May that plays HD-DVD movies using WinDVD.
But I guess Sony only had a deal with WinDVD. That's actually NOT correct. WinDVD's latest version is bundled with a few laptops as OEM software. It wasn't specific to Sony. But then again, Sony couldn't release this software that 3 other companies are using because it's not available for sell!!
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
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1. WinDVD 8 and PowerDVD is not on sale yet, which puts it in the category of "unreleased software".
2. WinDVD BD is not on sale yet. If the deal was exclusive to the Vaio products than that makes it unavailable to be bundled with any other product, which for all intents and purposes puts it in the category of "unreleased software" - or "unavailable software" if you prefer.
What exactly were they supposed to bundle with their PC drive? Perhaps you're right and they should have developed their own software. Perhaps I'm making a huge assumption that WinDVD BD isn't available to be bundled with other products. It seems though like you already have the answer:
That's a damn good question. Why couldn't Sony or Panasonic or Samsung ship a media player with their PC drives? "It's because they didn't want to." That's funny - I thought it might have something to do with cost or exclusivity or quality of software or deadlines. But no, some prick sitting on the board of directors decided "Nah, I don't feel like it."
Maybe they felt it wasn't worth the cost, given that most people don't have an HDCP capable graphics card, nor do they have a monitor that accepts an HDCP signal. Given that there are no commercial BD (or HD DVD for that matter) software media players, they would have been wise to bundle something with the drive. I can already buy all of the hardware to make it work, but I'd have to wait for the software.
Why? Is it because Sony is evil and out to screw the customer or is there some legitimate business reason? I don't know and neither do you. The bottom line is the PC drive works exactly as intended - as a Blu-ray burner - and will read commercial discs provided that the machine has all of the HDCP parts in place. Maybe they should have bundled a new graphics card and monitor with their drive too.
That is horsesh*t. You are the one that started the anti-Sony rhetoric. A comment was made about Sony's BD drive not reading commercial discs. I responded with the reasons why it didn't work. Your first post to me started out with a legitimate complaint and ended in some conspiracy theory about how Sony is trying to screw the customer:
"Dude, you can stick up for Sony all you like, but they're only out for themselves and they ultimately screw the customer over and over again.
Believe me, this doesn't just have to do with the PS2 and PS3 problems. Check into the C-13 problems, the rootkit problems and more.. It's just the tip of the iceberg."
That's great to hear. I'm sure you can provide a link to the NEC drive with information on it shipping with WinDVD 8 (or something comparable).
Here are the specs to the Toshiba Qosmio (link #1, link #2) laptop. It ships with WinDVD 5, which does not support HD discs. The HD DVD software might be some custom version of WinDVD 8 or something Toshiba developed internally - it's listed as "Toshiba HD DVD Player". I wonder if this is bundled with Toshiba's future PC drives.
There are laptops available with WinDVD 8? Link to even one of them?
In other console news, it was reported last night that Wii processor manufacturing has been going well for a while now and there is quite a bit of speculation to an earlier than expected release!
when you have a company making batteries/chargers, computers/laptops, tv's, cell phones, alarm clocks, discman, walkman, minidisc, dvd players, video game and consoles, digital cameras/camcorders, floppy disks, flash memory, cd's, robotic dogs, PDA's, earbuds/headphones, audio systems, arranging a music industry, publishing games (SCEI, SCEA), i'm sure the company would be more prone to having people reporting its products having problems.
and i'm sure i missed a lot of sony's products.
I'm not going to continue running around in circles with you. You're incompetent and can't search for a product then it's not my fault.
I NEVER said it was sent out with WinDVD 8 (you did, but again reading comprehension is beyond you apparently - I quoted you). WTF are you talking about? Still making sh1t up and twisting peoples words.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1976074,00.asp
"had the chance to look at the AV600 and AV650 models side by side. Luckily, I also had copies of Universal Pictures' horror flick Van Helsing in both HD DVD and standard-definition DVD formats. While playing both discs, I could easily single out the HD DVD version. The first chapter of Van Helsing was actually shot in black and white, making it possible to notice fine image detail in grayscale. The movie also has plenty of dark imagery that's useful for determining how well the system displays black objects."
"Unfortunately, the WinDVD HD software bundled with the AV650 could've been a lot better."
Oh my. WinDVD HD. Wow, nowhere is a number. Same as WinDVD BR, all it is is the latest version of WinDVD with the codec for HD material added on.
"That's great to hear. I'm sure you can provide a link to the NEC drive with information on it shipping with WinDVD 8 (or something comparable).
Again, this is pointless. I think I've proven that you're incompetent and you don't have the ability to search for information over the net. WinDVD, while unrealsed, is OEM software and is being provided by Toshiba, Sony and another company (I want to say HP but It's REALLY not worth my time to go search).
"That's funny - I thought it might have something to do with cost or exclusivity or quality of software or deadlines"
Wait. You're a moron!!! first you say it's because you can't bundle software that isn't for sale. Then you say that Sony has already bundled said software (as other companies have also). Then you say they can't do it because it cost too much?
WHAT THE FUNK IS IT? make up your mind on the excuse you want to use and stick to it. Want to talk about acting like a report. Jeeze.
Sony dropped the ball by not telling end-users that they wouldn't be able to play movies and by not bundling software. PERIOD. I don't give a flying funk what you say otherwise.
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