Question Providing Wifi internet for remote areas for many users (>300).

iamgenius

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Hi,
Okay so I know some wifi because I have been using since it started but I'm not the expert who knows everything. I'll try to explain the scenario to the best of my ability. It has to do with hunting trips and camping. Imagine being in a remote location where there is no internet and your only option is satellite internet. So you will have your internet source (Say a starlink ~200 Mbps), and then you will need to create a network with multiple wifi access points distributed in a certain area serving say several tents each with few persons. Once you connect your device to one access point, you should be to connect to any other access point automatically (like what happens in hotels) because you already authenticated once before. The SSID should be the same of course across all access points. You should be able to switch between access points seamlessly as you move between tents or in the covered area. There can be a different SSID for guests as not to disturb the main network.

Of course 200 Mbps may not be enough for >300 users, so more than one satellite link can be used. The network need to be configurable so that some users can be given priority over others or a certain bandwidth can be dedicated for them. The coverage need to be easily extendable. I know mesh networks provide part of the solution here. I haven't used them though.

What I'm trying to get is : Are there deployable WiFi kits that be set up quickly for such purposes ? Or are they just custom built? Of course sometimes you don't want to use cables so airfiber will be good alternative to reach further locations.

So yeah, I'm wandering if such setups exist which you can unpack, use somewhere and then repack again in order to unpack and use somewhere else. Hopefully I was able to get the point across.

Thanks in advance for any input.
 

Garion

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With that many users and the need for outdoor services, you probably can't use the average home router setup. Ubiquity has some very nice products that have a very nice set of gear that would probably work for what you need. Their gear will work with multiple WAN connections (like satellites), do load balancing, prioritization, etc.

The big question, of course, in a campsite, is power.

Do you only have power at one central location? If so you probably want to use a central power-over-ethernet switch and then find some way to run long cables to your wifi access points. That way you can deliver both network connection and power over the same cable. It might not be fun running those cables, but you do what you have to do.

Do you have power spread across the campsites? If so, you can probably avoid the wires and use mesh routers that can connect amongst themselves to spread the network across the whole area. That would be ideal, but I'm not sure if you will have power spread across the camp. The other option might be to get some very snazzy central antennas to aim at different parts of the camp. Those are expensive and are very dependent on geography and obstacles like trees.

You can combine a Ubiqiuty router, a POE switch (or get one that is combined, depending on how many ports you need) and use a number of their outdoor access points. There is a very cool community site where Ubiquity owner share their configs - You might poke around there and see if there is anything like what you are looking to do. https://community.ui.com/stories

Depending on how many AP's you use, the network power draw should be < 200 watts. Add in your satellites and you should be at < 400 watts. You could run all of that through a small, quiet inverter generator, likely with a UPS to clean the power and provide backup if your generator goes offline for a while. Just make SURE that the UPS can be configured to disable its "power is out" audible alarm. (Mine can't, much to my dismay at 3 AM)

This could be a very cool project - Have fun with it!

- G
 

Tech Junky

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Well, the easiest would be to make a kit for each area if bandwidth is a concern. SL+AP+power source that can be deployed from a single carrier.

Now, if you can grab a LTE/5G signal in these spots there's an easier option using a 5G FWA gateway as they can be powered using a power bank / USBC cable and on a single charge provide up to 16H of uptime. While they don't natively broadcast over a huge area they could handle several tents / cabins with a unit per cabin. $30-$50/mo/ea

Looks like there are some POE PB's as well but, the run time is limited ~3 hours
https://www.balticnetworks.com/products/maxxwave-802-3af-at-7500mah-gigabit-poe-power-bank - 12 hours @ 10W

Which leads to an obvious solution to keep things running by putting them on a solar array to keep the PB's charging while in use.

I suspect per kit to deploy this might run ~$500 per box for the 2 power sources / solar / AP and then just add the cost of the ISP device depending on which route you go with. Quick googling looks like you'd need an inverter to power mcdishy. There was a couple of mentions about converting SL over to DC for direct powering which would make more sense than using an inverter and wasting battery in the process.

So, there's a couple of options off the top of my head.
 

aigomorla

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I don't want to sound like that guy....
But if your asking help on setting up a 300 person capacity Wifi network, you really should hire a professional to do it and setup the priorities on bandwidth.

But i would do it though VLAN's and setting up a unrestricted VLAN.
Then sub VLAN where metering takes place, and throttles per application like youtube and other stuff.

This is not something a typical Joe can do with Youtube Video's, well they can, but it will be stressful, especially getting your permissions and firewall setup properly, so i recommend you get a professional IT to come and install that, if its designed for 300 person, as you will need multiple access points and a very beefy switch/router.
 

VirtualLarry

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Find out the name of the guy that designed and implemented the MIT campus wifi system? Try to get some pointers or hire him for a side job?
 

mxnerd

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Found some interesting info about StarLink. It also got its own mesh system, up to 12 mesh nodes. No idea how much sqft it can cover if 12 nodes being setup in a forest camping site with trees in between.

StarLink mesh nodes



Residential vs Residential/mobility huge speed difference

 
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mxnerd

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StarLink cable is just a cat6(a) cable


Even in an open area, expect some disconnections, latencies & low speed.


You can also use Starlink n Bride mode and use your own mesh system


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There are StarLink rentals out there. Ddi not dig further.
 
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