Proud to Be an American but my Neighbor is Not

[BaliBabyDoc]

Gallup
The June 27-29 Gallup Poll asked Americans: "How proud are you to be an American?" A solid 70% of respondents say they are "extremely" proud, with an additional 20% saying they are "very" proud. A January 2001 poll, conducted prior to the events of Sept. 11, found somewhat lower levels of pride, as 55% of Americans said they were extremely proud to be Americans. After the attacks, however, pride in the country increased substantially, with upwards of two in three respondents saying they were extremely proud to be Americans in two 2002 polls. The current data show no decline in patriotism almost two years after the terrorist attacks.

The poll asked Americans to assess how proud they believe "most people in this country" are to be Americans. Only 42% of respondents say that most other people in the United States are "extremely" proud. An additional 35% say most people are "very" proud.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Gallup
The June 27-29 Gallup Poll asked Americans: "How proud are you to be an American?" A solid 70% of respondents say they are "extremely" proud, with an additional 20% saying they are "very" proud. A January 2001 poll, conducted prior to the events of Sept. 11, found somewhat lower levels of pride, as 55% of Americans said they were extremely proud to be Americans. After the attacks, however, pride in the country increased substantially, with upwards of two in three respondents saying they were extremely proud to be Americans in two 2002 polls. The current data show no decline in patriotism almost two years after the terrorist attacks.

The poll asked Americans to assess how proud they believe "most people in this country" are to be Americans. Only 42% of respondents say that most other people in the United States are "extremely" proud. An additional 35% say most people are "very" proud.

So does this mean that the more frightened you are the prouder you get. It would make sense if pride is just the ego's way of pretending a deeper self doesn't feel like the worst in the world. Anything that comes along to threaten one's substitute and vicarious source of pride would naturally tend to awaken that hidden feeling and feel like a threat, and demand a reaffirmation of its worth. Wouldn't it be something if flag waving isn't just our inferiority complex trying to deny itself? What a catch 22 that would be.

 

[Tom]

What's the diference between "extremely" and "very" ?

Seems like the same thing to me.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Gallup
The June 27-29 Gallup Poll asked Americans: "How proud are you to be an American?" A solid 70% of respondents say they are "extremely" proud, with an additional 20% saying they are "very" proud. A January 2001 poll, conducted prior to the events of Sept. 11, found somewhat lower levels of pride, as 55% of Americans said they were extremely proud to be Americans. After the attacks, however, pride in the country increased substantially, with upwards of two in three respondents saying they were extremely proud to be Americans in two 2002 polls. The current data show no decline in patriotism almost two years after the terrorist attacks.

The poll asked Americans to assess how proud they believe "most people in this country" are to be Americans. Only 42% of respondents say that most other people in the United States are "extremely" proud. An additional 35% say most people are "very" proud.

So does this mean that the more frightened you are the prouder you get. It would make sense if pride is just the ego's way of pretending a deeper self doesn't feel like the worst in the world. Anything that comes along to threaten one's substitute and vicarious source of pride would naturally tend to awaken that hidden feeling and feel like a threat, and demand a reaffirmation of its worth. Wouldn't it be something if flag waving isn't just our inferiority complex trying to deny itself? What a catch 22 that would be.

Moonie, most Americans unlike you do not have deep neuroses consisting of constant fear and self-hate. We can take pride in the fact that our country is recovering from a despicable act of terrorism and is moving forward.

 

[dahunan]

There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

 

[DealMonkey]

So, what exactly are the little ass-monkeys so proud about now?

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Gallup
The June 27-29 Gallup Poll asked Americans: "How proud are you to be an American?" A solid 70% of respondents say they are "extremely" proud, with an additional 20% saying they are "very" proud. A January 2001 poll, conducted prior to the events of Sept. 11, found somewhat lower levels of pride, as 55% of Americans said they were extremely proud to be Americans. After the attacks, however, pride in the country increased substantially, with upwards of two in three respondents saying they were extremely proud to be Americans in two 2002 polls. The current data show no decline in patriotism almost two years after the terrorist attacks.

The poll asked Americans to assess how proud they believe "most people in this country" are to be Americans. Only 42% of respondents say that most other people in the United States are "extremely" proud. An additional 35% say most people are "very" proud.

So does this mean that the more frightened you are the prouder you get. It would make sense if pride is just the ego's way of pretending a deeper self doesn't feel like the worst in the world. Anything that comes along to threaten one's substitute and vicarious source of pride would naturally tend to awaken that hidden feeling and feel like a threat, and demand a reaffirmation of its worth. Wouldn't it be something if flag waving isn't just our inferiority complex trying to deny itself? What a catch 22 that would be.

Moonie, most Americans unlike you do not have deep neuroses consisting of constant fear and self-hate. We can take pride in the fact that our country is recovering from a despicable act of terrorism and is moving forward.

Our country is certainly in a state of motion, but I'm afraid forward is not the word I would use to describe where we are headed.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

Having read some of the responses you typically give, I expected a statement pretty much just as retarded as the one you just gave. I'll let you figure out why.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

Having read some of the responses you typically give, I expected a statement pretty much just as retarded as the one you just gave. I'll let you figure out why.

So... SMARTMAN.. what does the poll say?

Eighty percent of conservatives are extremely proud of the country, compared with 68% of moderates and 56% of liberals.

 

[dahunan]

AND ANOTHER THING

Those liberals should judge this country by more than the last two years of it's existence

 

[AEB]

screw all of that america is still the best country around ,and anyone who disagrees is more than welcome to goto their country of choice. I remember alec baldwin saying "if bush wins the election in 2000 im going to england" did he? hell no, hes just another two faced liberal

 

[Brie]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

So does this mean that the more frightened you are the prouder you get. It would make sense if pride is just the ego's way of pretending a deeper self doesn't feel like the worst in the world. Anything that comes along to threaten one's substitute and vicarious source of pride would naturally tend to awaken that hidden feeling and feel like a threat, and demand a reaffirmation of its worth. Wouldn't it be something if flag waving isn't just our inferiority complex trying to deny itself? What a catch 22 that would be.

This does mean serious implications for "group think." There is no doubt that 9/11 pushed many of us to our limits and as a result we "came together" as a country. I also believe that 9/11 is controlling our beliefs and opinions in a group think way. As I have said before I am a conservative and I am "extremely proud of my country" but it makes me sick to watch FOX news with all of the flags spammed over the screen. It just screams jingoism doesnt it?!? While I think you are generally crazy Moonbeam, I think you may have a point here. While we may not be able to discuss it yet due to 9/11, I can easily see all of the talking heads analyzing our behavior "post 9/11" in about 5 years.

Durring WW2, Americans experiencied similar events and responded with a similar "group think." While this may of not been bad for our country, it is true that we did ignore problems with our country, and blindly accept heightened security and controlled press. However we did survive as a nation and came out on top after the war. I am not saying that we deride President Bush for his "post 9/11" policies. But Moonbeam does have a point that we cannot fall into the trap of blindly accepting what is fed to us. I am certanily looking at all current policies presented in a historical light since I fear I am blinded by the effects of 9/11.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Those liberals should judge this country by more than the last two years of it's existence

I think it's safe to say our country hasn't really been moving forward for quite some time.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

Having read some of the responses you typically give, I expected a statement pretty much just as retarded as the one you just gave. I'll let you figure out why.

So... SMARTMAN.. what does the poll say?

Eighty percent of conservatives are extremely proud of the country, compared with 68% of moderates and 56% of liberals.

Pwned. Don't expect him to be replying in this thread anymore

 

[JellyBaby]

Eighty percent of conservatives are extremely proud of the country, compared with 68% of moderates and 56% of liberals.

Liberals always feel bad about themselves when a republican is president. I wouldn't read too deeply into it.

 

[TheShiz]

national "pride" is a dangerous thing, sure America has done some great things, along with most every other country in the world. And America has done some downright despicable things, just like almost every other country in the world. People feel the need to think that whatever country they are in is the best or other such nonsense, looking at the past we can see the some of the kinds of things that feelings like this can affect. If you take the time to look at history you'd realize that 9/11 is very minimal compared to many other countries hardships through the years. The US has been pretty lucky so far. Anyway, the most important thing is to be aware of what your country is up to, and realize and acknowledge that there are awful policies that the United States has taken part in. I for one value one's knowledge of one's country and its place in the world over blind patriotism.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

Having read some of the responses you typically give, I expected a statement pretty much just as retarded as the one you just gave. I'll let you figure out why.

So... SMARTMAN.. what does the poll say?

Eighty percent of conservatives are extremely proud of the country, compared with 68% of moderates and 56% of liberals.

Pwned. Don't expect him to be replying in this thread anymore

Um, no, I read and can reply just fine. The stupidity of it stems from making a conclusion about who loves their country more based on one arbitrary poll.

 

[Chumpman]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

Having read some of the responses you typically give, I expected a statement pretty much just as retarded as the one you just gave. I'll let you figure out why.

So... SMARTMAN.. what does the poll say?

Eighty percent of conservatives are extremely proud of the country, compared with 68% of moderates and 56% of liberals.

Pwned. Don't expect him to be replying in this thread anymore

Um, no, I read and can reply just fine. The stupidity of it stems from making a conclusion about who loves their country more based on one arbitrary poll.

Looks like irrefutable evidence to me.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was alos another POLL that said

Democrats were less proud to be Americans than Republicans are.

SHOWS you where their fvcking priorities will be. :evil:

A few questions.

What was the poll?
When was it taken?
What was the wording of the question?
What were the results?

I highly doubt an entire poll by a reputable polling agency can be summed up in one sentence.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Chumpman
Looks like irrefutable evidence to me.

What eveidence? Up to this point there is nothing except one persons interpretation of some poll that no one else has seen.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Chumpman
Looks like irrefutable evidence to me.

What eveidence? Up to this point there is nothing except one persons interpretation of some poll that no one else has seen.

Haven't you been paying attention? Bush redefined 'irrefutable evidence' as one or a few persons' interpretation of some data that no one else has seen.

 

[Chumpman]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Chumpman
Looks like irrefutable evidence to me.

What eveidence? Up to this point there is nothing except one persons interpretation of some poll that no one else has seen.

Haven't you been paying attention? Bush redefined 'irrefutable evidence' as one or a few persons' interpretation of some data that no one else has seen.

If you have any facts to back up your statement I may believe you, but as it stands the only evidence presented in this thread shows Democrats to be less patriotic than Republicans.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Chumpman

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Chumpman
Looks like irrefutable evidence to me.

What eveidence? Up to this point there is nothing except one persons interpretation of some poll that no one else has seen.

Haven't you been paying attention? Bush redefined 'irrefutable evidence' as one or a few persons' interpretation of some data that no one else has seen.

If you have any facts to back up your statement I may believe you, but as it stands the only evidence presented in this thread shows Democrats to be less patriotic than Republicans.

Sounds fitting.
Baaaaaaaa.

 

[Warin]

Originally posted by: Chumpman

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Chumpman
Looks like irrefutable evidence to me.

What eveidence? Up to this point there is nothing except one persons interpretation of some poll that no one else has seen.

Haven't you been paying attention? Bush redefined 'irrefutable evidence' as one or a few persons' interpretation of some data that no one else has seen.

If you have any facts to back up your statement I may believe you, but as it stands the only evidence presented in this thread shows Democrats to be less patriotic than Republicans.

If your definition of patriotic is blindly following a buffoon into an unjust war, then I suspect most thinking intelligent people ARE less patriotic.

 

[Jackxp]

It may be true that republicans are more patriotic than democrats, but consider the following....

There are many democrats that are considerate of the problems in the world that would motivate someone to take action against the greatest power in the world. Against a country that imposes it's will on the smaller countries, (not that there is any morality here, these smaller countries are no-less thoughtless and inconsiderate of their neighbors), it's just that the US has a much higher profile.

These democrates are not so willing to support a president that is all to eager to go to war.

The US is not viewed by the rest of the world as caring about the emerging 3rd world. Although we do much to aid other countries, they still think that we do so in a self interested way.

The US is about 6% of the world's population and we use and control about 40% of the total annual production of energy.

Drop propaganda leaflets?

So, what can we do to change their perception?

Reduce our consumption of the world's resources?

What's a country to do? What are we going to do?

So, what has 9/11 terorists and our current war have to do with oneanther? If we bombed all the countries that had supporters of the 9/11 terorists, we'd be bombing half the middle-east and south east asia. Shouldn't we be bombing Saudia Arabia, their home country?