Protests spread over police shootings. Police promised reforms. Every year, they still shoot and kill nearly 1,000 people.

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"Protests against the use of deadly force by police swept across the country in 2015.

"Demonstrators marched in Chicago, turned chaotic in Baltimore, and occupied the area outside a Minneapolis police station for weeks. Protesters repeatedly took to the streets of Ferguson, Mo., where a white police officer had killed a black teenager the previous year and fueled anew a national debate about the use of force and how police treat minorities.

"That year, The Washington Post began tallying how many people were shot and killed by police. By the end of 2015, officers had fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, twice as many as ever documented in one year by the federal government.

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"The Post started tracking fatal shootings by on-duty police officers after a Ferguson police officer killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager, during an altercation after a convenience store reported a robbery in August 2014. That shooting set off demonstrations and sparked calls for reform.

"Amid the turmoil, nobody could answer a simple question: How often do police shoot and kill someone? No one knew for sure, because no government agency kept a comprehensive count.

"When The Post began tracking these shootings, it became clear that police were shooting and killing people about twice as often as numbers reported by the FBI, which collected voluntary reports from police departments. The Post’s database, which is regularly updated, relies on a collection of news media accounts, social media posts and police reports.

"After The Post demonstrated a dramatic undercount by the FBI of fatal police shootings, the bureau’s then-director, James B. Comey, called the lack of federal data “embarrassing and ridiculous.”

"An FBI policy board recommended that the agency track fatal and nonfatal shootings. The new effort was soon widened to catalogue all use-of-force incidents that result in serious bodily harm or death.

"That data collection only began in earnest in January 2019. The program also suffers from some of the same shortfalls as the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program — chiefly that participation is voluntary.
So far, only 40 percent of the 18,000 police departments nationwide submit data on police use-of-force incidents, according to the FBI."

No nationwide data on use of force
"Fatal shootings by police are a limited metric for answering larger questions about how police use their powers, experts said. Whether a shooting is fatal may depend entirely on a few centimeters in the trajectory of a bullet.

"No nationwide data exists on how often police shoot and wound someone, or how often they fire and miss. And no comprehensive national data exists on how other kinds of force — like chokeholds or the use of batons or Tasers — are used."



The most significant thing about this article is the fact that the FBI statistics on fatal shootings is only from 40% of the total number of police forces in the U.S.

So the numbers of persons killed by police is woefully undercounted....seemingly on purpose, since reporting those stats are VOLUNTARY. Of course, the number of police assaulted/shot/whatever is reported to the FBI and DOJ by every police unit in the country.
 
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The most significant thing in the article is they don't even attempt to measure if the alleged shootings were justifiable or not. Of those 1,000 alleged shootings how many were justifiable and fired to protect lives?
 

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The most significant thing in the article is they don't even attempt to measure if the alleged shootings were justifiable or not. Of those 1,000 alleged shootings how many were justifiable and fired to protect lives?

alleged indeed. Where is the data even coming from George Soros? Plus Hillary Hillary killed epstein , am I right?
 

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The most significant thing in the article is they don't even attempt to measure if the alleged shootings were justifiable or not. Of those 1,000 alleged shootings how many were justifiable and fired to protect lives?
Every single one of them, if you ask the cop who just killed someone.

Keep on keepin' on, collaborator.
 

woolfe9998

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"Protests against the use of deadly force by police swept across the country in 2015.

"Demonstrators marched in Chicago, turned chaotic in Baltimore, and occupied the area outside a Minneapolis police station for weeks. Protesters repeatedly took to the streets of Ferguson, Mo., where a white police officer had killed a black teenager the previous year and fueled anew a national debate about the use of force and how police treat minorities.

"That year, The Washington Post began tallying how many people were shot and killed by police. By the end of 2015, officers had fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, twice as many as ever documented in one year by the federal government.

imrs.php



"The Post started tracking fatal shootings by on-duty police officers after a Ferguson police officer killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager, during an altercation after a convenience store reported a robbery in August 2014. That shooting set off demonstrations and sparked calls for reform.

"Amid the turmoil, nobody could answer a simple question: How often do police shoot and kill someone? No one knew for sure, because no government agency kept a comprehensive count.

"When The Post began tracking these shootings, it became clear that police were shooting and killing people about twice as often as numbers reported by the FBI, which collected voluntary reports from police departments. The Post’s database, which is regularly updated, relies on a collection of news media accounts, social media posts and police reports.

"After The Post demonstrated a dramatic undercount by the FBI of fatal police shootings, the bureau’s then-director, James B. Comey, called the lack of federal data “embarrassing and ridiculous.”

"An FBI policy board recommended that the agency track fatal and nonfatal shootings. The new effort was soon widened to catalogue all use-of-force incidents that result in serious bodily harm or death.

"That data collection only began in earnest in January 2019. The program also suffers from some of the same shortfalls as the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program — chiefly that participation is voluntary.
So far, only 40 percent of the 18,000 police departments nationwide submit data on police use-of-force incidents, according to the FBI."

No nationwide data on use of force
"Fatal shootings by police are a limited metric for answering larger questions about how police use their powers, experts said. Whether a shooting is fatal may depend entirely on a few centimeters in the trajectory of a bullet.

"No nationwide data exists on how often police shoot and wound someone, or how often they fire and miss. And no comprehensive national data exists on how other kinds of force — like chokeholds or the use of batons or Tasers — are used."



The most significant thing about this article is the fact that the FBI statistics on fatal shootings is only from 40% of the total number of police forces in the U.S.

So the numbers of persons killed by police is woefully undercounted....seemingly on purpose, since reporting those stats are VOLUNTARY. Of course, the number of police assaulted/shot/whatever is reported to the FBI and DOJ by every police unit in the country.

I agree, and the Post has done good work, but the reporting on every type of crime to the FBI is voluntary. All crimes are under-reported in that data, not just crimes by police.
 

Meghan54

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I agree, and the Post has done good work, but the reporting on every type of crime to the FBI is voluntary. All crimes are under-reported in that data, not just crimes by police.


Actually, from what I've read, the number of police shot/assaulted/killed/injured on the job is required to be reported to the DOJ by every single police dept. in the U.S. It's about the only reporting required and done across the entire U.S. police community.
 
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alleged indeed. Where is the data even coming from George Soros? Plus Hillary Hillary killed epstein , am I right?
No, some police shootings a not only justified, but necessary to save innocent lives. To pretend that they are all evil and/or racist is to lie.
 
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Every single one of them, if you ask the cop who just killed someone.

Keep on keepin' on, collaborator.
Which is why all police shootings are investigated.............. but you know that, you're just being ......disingenuous can we say? It's my opinion that they should all be investigated by Federal law enforcement.
 

woolfe9998

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Actually, from what I've read, the number of police shot/assaulted/killed/injured on the job is required to be reported to the DOJ by every single police dept. in the U.S. It's about the only reporting required and done across the entire U.S. police community.

That may be, but police shooting of others falls into the same category as any other crime, meaning they are all under-reported. The point being, that the suggestion that this information is being selectively suppressed isn't supported.

I think a great national reform, through federal legislation, would to make the reporting of all crimes to the FBI mandatory instead of optional. Then we can actually have an accurate database in relation to all crimes.
 

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That may be, but police shooting of others falls into the same category as any other crime, meaning they are all under-reported. The point being, that the suggestion that this information is being selectively suppressed isn't supported.

I think a great national reform, through federal legislation, would to make the reporting of all crimes to the FBI mandatory instead of optional. Then we can actually have an accurate database in relation to all crimes.
Trump's FBI ?