Prosecutors Are Reading Emails From Inmates to Lawyers

Oldgamer

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Reading prisoner's emails to their lawyers is an egregious violation of their rights, and should be banned in almost all cases. The presumption of innocence is gone after conviction, but prisoners still have rights, including is the right to an attorney. Prisoners may file post-conviction appeals, and some who are convicted are later shown to be truly innocent. In practical terms, email is by by far the best means of communications; for many poor prisoners, it is the only way. I mean what these douche bag prosecutors really want to do is just skip the trial and go straight to prosecution, that is what this is really about.

And down down down the tubes America keeps going, taking away more rights of Americans.. every damn day. Sigh...

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dence: those very emails. The prosecutors informed Mr. DiFiore last month that they would be reading the emails sent to his lawyers from jail, potentially using his own words against him.

Jailhouse conversations have been many a defendant’s downfall through incriminating words spoken to inmates or visitors, or in phone calls to friends or relatives. Inmates’ calls to or from lawyers, however, are generally exempt from such monitoring. But across the country, federal prosecutors have begun reading prisoners’ emails to lawyers — a practice wholly embraced in Brooklyn, where prosecutors have said they intend to read such emails in almost every case.

The issue has spurred court battles over whether inmates have a right to confidential email communications with their lawyers — a question on which federal judges have been divided.

An incarcerated former Pennsylvania state senator got into further trouble in 2011 when prosecutors seized his prison emails. In Georgia, officials built a contempt case against a man already in federal prison in part by using emails between him and his lawyers obtained in 2011. And in Austin, Tex., defense lawyers have accused members of law enforcement of recording attorney-client calls from jails, then using that information to tighten their cases.

“It’s very troubling that the government’s pushing to the margins of the attorney-client relationship,” said Ellen C. Yaroshefsky, a professor at the Cardozo School of Law.

Defense lawyers say the government is overstepping its authority and taking away a necessary tool for an adequate defense. Some of them have refused to admit even the existence of sensitive emails — which, they say, perhaps predictably, are privileged.

All defendants using the federal prison email system, Trulincs, have to read and accept a notice that communications are monitored, prosecutors in Brooklyn pointed out. Prosecutors once had a “filter team” to set aside defendants’ emails to and from lawyers, but budget cuts no longer allow for that, they said.

While prosecutors say there are other ways for defense lawyers to communicate with clients, defense lawyers say those are absurdly inefficient.

A scheduled visit to see Syed Imran Ahmed, a surgeon accused of Medicare fraud who is being held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, took lawyers five hours, according to court documents filed by one of Dr. Ahmed’s lawyers, Morris J. Fodeman. The trip included travel time from Manhattan and waiting for jail personnel to retrieve Dr. Ahmed.

Getting confidential postal mail to inmates takes up to two weeks, Mr. Fodeman wrote. The detention center, like all federal jails, is supposed to allow inmates or lawyers to arrange unmonitored phone calls. But a paralegal spent four days and left eight messages requesting such a call and got nowhere, Mr. Fodeman wrote.

Dr. Ahmed’s case includes 50,000 pages of documents so far, including “Medicare claim data and patient information that we need Dr. Ahmed’s assistance to understand,” Mr. Fodeman wrote. Especially since he is acting as a public defender in this case — meaning the government pays him at $125 per hour — Mr. Fodeman argued that having to arrange an in-person visit or unmonitored phone call for every small question on the case was a waste of money and time.

In Brooklyn and across the country, the issue is being decided case by case. A spokesman for the Bureau of Prisons declined to comment, citing the continuing litigation.

In Georgia, a man named Jared Wheat, in prison for conspiring to import fake prescription drugs, used Trulincs email to work on ads for weight-loss products. The Federal Trade Commission used the emails as part of a successful contempt case, arguing he violated a permanent injunction barring him from making unsubstantiated weight-loss claims.

Mr. Wheat’s lawyers said the trade commission’s request for the emails was illegal. Federal regulations allow mail sent to prisons to be marked as privileged, and “email, particularly in the 21st century, has effectively replaced U.S. Postal Service mail for most communications, and this court should not treat it differently than traditional mail,” his lawyers wrote.

But a judge, Charles A. Pannell Jr. of the United States District Court in Atlanta, ruled in 2012 that by using Trulincs, Mr. Wheat “consented to the monitoring and thus had no reasonable expectation of privacy.”

A defense lawyer for the former Pennsylvania senator, Vincent J. Fumo, futilely tried to get Mr. Fumo to stop sending him emails from prison, such as a 2011 email about his plans to write a book about his experience.

“Please try to keep in mind that CorrLinks email is monitored and unprivileged,” the lawyer, Peter Goldberger, wrote, using another name for the email system. “I think this line of messages is a good example of a topic that is not suitable for discussion in this medium.”

Later that day, Mr. Fumo contacted Mr. Goldberger about his analysis of a Court of Appeals hearing on his case. “I look forward to reading your further analysis, but NOT on the email system,” Mr. Goldberger wrote.

The government collected Mr. Fumo’s emails from prison — more than 12,000 pages’ worth over six months — for inclusion in its argument for a harsh resentencing. Mr. Fumo received six additional months; he has since been released on probation.

In Brooklyn, Steve Zissou, a lawyer for Mr. DiFiore, tried to persuade a judge to stop prosecutors from monitoring his client’s emails. Prosecutors had confirmed that they “intended to read my communications with Mr. DiFiore over Trulincs,” he wrote. “Regardless of whether such communications qualify for protection under the attorney-client privilege, the government’s decision to read our communications with our client is entirely inappropriate.”

The judge overseeing that case, Allyne R. Ross, ruled on Thursday that the government was allowed to review the emails. “The government’s policy does not ‘unreasonably interfere’ with Mr. DiFiore’s ability to consult his counsel,” she wrote.

In Dr. Ahmed’s case, the judge, Dora L. Irizarry, ruled against the government last month, barring it “from looking at any of the attorney-client emails, period.”

She seemed to take particular offense at an argument by a prosecutor, F. Turner Buford, who suggested that prosecutors merely wanted to avoid the expense and hassle of having to separate attorney-client emails from other emails sent via Trulincs. The government was not otherwise interested in the contents of those messages, he said.

“That’s hogwash,” Judge Irizarry said. “You’re going to tell me you don’t want to know what your adversary’s strategy is? What kind of a litigator are you then? Give me a break.”
 

Newell Steamer

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I doubt they read the e-mails of corporate execs that stand accused of embezzling millions,... sorry, what am I thinking - said executives would have to actually be in prison,... never mind!!
 

emperus

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The ACLU should get involved and take the case to the supreme court for a definitive answer. All communications should be privileged.
 

Oldgamer

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What I am seeing is our Government pushing the boundaries constantly on our rights in this country. It is infuriating and with the over militarization of the police and all the spying crap, I mean we will at some point reach a pinnacle point folks. Just when that happens, well how much farther do you think our Government is willing to take it? How much more are the people willing to take it?
 

glenn1

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The ACLU should get involved and take the case to the supreme court for a definitive answer. All communications should be privileged.

IIRC, there's a specific legal way it needs to be done for emails to be legally priviledged. We had an entire checklist we had to go through at my last employer with certain phrases that had to be said, what the subject line had to contain, etc.

That being said, I'd certainly approve of legislative fixes to make the rules more flexible, common-sense, and err on the side of protecting the confidentiality of the communications. I'd daresay almost any correspondence from an inmate to his attorney should get the presumption of priviledge.
 

boomerang

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Why are inmates being provided access to computers with internet connections at all? That's most certainly not a right.
 

emperus

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IIRC, there's a specific legal way it needs to be done for emails to be legally priviledged. We had an entire checklist we had to go through at my last employer with certain phrases that had to be said, what the subject line had to contain, etc.

That being said, I'd certainly approve of legislative fixes to make the rules more flexible, common-sense, and err on the side of protecting the confidentiality of the communications. I'd daresay almost any correspondence from an inmate to his attorney should get the presumption of priviledge.

I think in one of the cases they argued that since the prisoner was warned all his emails will be checked makes any attorney client privilege in any email mute.
 

rudder

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Phone calls are monitored and letters are opened. Prisoners have been known to run operations from prison. So do they now get a secured channel to the outside world?
 
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glenn1

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Phone calls are monitored and letters are opened. Prisoners have been known to run operations from prison. So do they now get a secured channel to the outside world?

Secure channel to their attorney, whom I think most of us are comfortable with giving the presumption of professional integrity and legal behavior. If there's suspicion that the lawyer is engaged in misconduct or helping the convict to do so, then get a warrant to review their emails.
 

nageov3t

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is there an expectation of privacy? or is it like a prosecutor listening in to a conversation between a lawyer and his client in a crowded, public area?

I always assumed letters coming in or out of prison were read by the guards; at least that's how every prison TV show makes it seem.
 

xBiffx

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Email is one of the most common communication channels in use today. Are you seriously implying that suspects not be allowed to communicate with their lawyers through it?

A car is the most common means of transportation in this county. Are you seriously implying that I don't have a right to be provided the means to drive/use one?
 

zanejohnson

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i've been locked up alot of times... for up to 6 months at one time..


there was never a computer accessible to inmates.

but that's in Texas.

the only form of communication to your lawyer you have in a texas prison is either written mail, or a collect phone call (no lawyer is going to accept the collect call)+
 
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MrPickins

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A car is the most common means of transportation in this county. Are you seriously implying that I don't have a right to be provided the means to drive/use one?

Can you come up with a worse analogy?
 

xBiffx

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Can you come up with a worse analogy?

That's all you have?

Perhaps if I didn't have to start with the premise that commonality of something equates to a right to freely use that thing I could have done better. :colbert:
 

zanejohnson

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is there an expectation of privacy? or is it like a prosecutor listening in to a conversation between a lawyer and his client in a crowded, public area?

I always assumed letters coming in or out of prison were read by the guards; at least that's how every prison TV show makes it seem.

i can speak for texas prisons.

the way it works is incoming mail IS opened and read, checked for contraband.. (its easy to dip a piece of notebook paper in supersaturated drug solution, let it dry, write a letter on it, and mail it, the piece of paper still containing the drugs, the inmate will from then just extract the drugs from the paper)

outgoing mail is SEALED by the inmate, and not opened, it's illegal in texas to read outgoing inmate mail without a warrant... (that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, the texas prison system is the most corrupt in the world)

inmates can buy pre stamped envelopes through commisary (the kind with the glue, so they can seal them)


it does happen that guards still open these sealed envelopes and then after reading use a new envelope..

the person receiving the mail will know however, because the handwriting will be different.
 

Jimzz

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That's when you send an e-mail out "the body/drugs/money/etc... is under house..." and wait for the police to tear someone's house up. :)

Oh sorry, did you think that was real, I'm writing a book and wrote my lawyer to see if it was believable.
 

HamburgerBoy

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A car is the most common means of transportation in this county. Are you seriously implying that I don't have a right to be provided the means to drive/use one?

The issue of this topic isn't whether or not inmates should be allowed computer/email access at all. It's that for those that already have email access, it seems ridiculous that the right to confidential communication with one's attorney should be limited to face-to-face communication when we now have much more efficient methods to communicate. But keep on supporting big brother, brah.
 

xBiffx

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The issue of this topic isn't whether or not inmates should be allowed computer/email access at all. It's that for those that already have email access, it seems ridiculous that the right to confidential communication with one's attorney should be limited to face-to-face communication when we now have much more efficient methods to communicate. But keep on supporting big brother, brah.

I'm not supporting anyone. But its been already stated that snail mail is read, so why would't emails be read as well?
 

cubby1223

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Secure channel to their attorney, whom I think most of us are comfortable with giving the presumption of professional integrity and legal behavior. If there's suspicion that the lawyer is engaged in misconduct or helping the convict to do so, then get a warrant to review their emails.

...who could be his connection to the greater outside world.

This really is a situation where you can only support an all or none position. If you support some monitoring of communications, then those same reasons why also apply to the other forms of communication.