Proposed Americorps Pledge Stirs Controversy (Adds Under God, Defend the Constitution)

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New York TimesRevised Pledge for AmeriCorps Draws Critics

By CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS

WASHINGTON, Nov. 20 ? A proposal to change the pledge taken by AmeriCorps members to include references to God and defending the Constitution has stirred an outcry among current and former participants in the federally supported community service organization.

The critics argue that the change, for which final Congressional approval is expected next year, might deter recruiting.

The executive director of the alumni group of AmeriCorps, Michael J. Meneer, warned of concerns that the new pledge was "militaristic and religious."

"Respondents were concerned that the new pledge would have the effect of dividing people rather than uniting them," Mr. Meneer said last week in a letter.

Congressional Republicans say the new oath is virtually identical to that required of all federal employees, including members of the armed forces and Peace Corps volunteers. Moreover, they note, the new phrase "so help me God" is optional.

The old pledge ends "I will get things done." The new version finishes with "so help me God."

AmeriCorps, which was established by President Bill Clinton in 1993, provides federal grants to 50,000 participants, most of them young, who devote one or two years of service to the community, doing tasks like building affordable housing or setting up afterschool programs for children. The program provides a modest allowance, usually at the poverty level, and an education award of several thousand dollars at the end of service.

"These are federal employees," said David Schnittger, a spokesman for the House Education and Workforce Committee, which included the change in the Citizens' Service Act. "If they're going to have an oath at all, it should be in line with that used by other federal employees."

Rick Goldsmith, who spent a year filming AmeriCorps workers in California for a documentary, says they view themselves as community volunteers, not federal employees, when they work with groups like Habitat for Humanity and the American Red Cross.

"This isn't a job," Mr. Goldsmith said. "It's to enrich themselves and the communities. They're not doing it for a paycheck."

Rosie Mauk, the AmeriCorps director, sought to address the complaints in an e-mail message to members and alumni this week. The new pledge, Ms. Mauk said, "will not be mandatory" and may be used in conjunction with the old pledge. But her spokesman, Sandy Scott, conceded today that it was unclear whether Congress would let the oath remain optional.
 

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That's disgusting... Why do Republicans want less government control but yet still try to influence our religion through state "pledges"?

The "defending the constitution" is pretty choice also. We'll make you all believe that the constituation is important but we'll fight any legal battle to take away the rights afforded by the constitution.

Why do the Republicans double talk on the majority of there planks? They preach issues but when it comes time they do the exact opposite???
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"This isn't a job," Mr. Goldsmith said. "It's to enrich themselves and the communities. They're not doing it for a paycheck."

Problem solved. Remove paycheck, remove pledge. :D
 

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
"This isn't a job," Mr. Goldsmith said. "It's to enrich themselves and the communities. They're not doing it for a paycheck."

Problem solved. Remove paycheck, remove pledge. :D

Americorp is a volunteer organization, it has a living stipend that's much less than minimum wage. The program was originally designed to allow college students a chance to pay off college debt by working in poorer communities.

I'm going to love the justification on why this is a "bad" program.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: SagaLore
"This isn't a job," Mr. Goldsmith said. "It's to enrich themselves and the communities. They're not doing it for a paycheck."

Problem solved. Remove paycheck, remove pledge. :D

Americorp is a volunteer organization, it has a living stipend that's much less than minimum wage. The program was originally designed to allow college students a chance to pay off college debt by working in poorer communities.

I'm going to love the justification on why this is a "bad" program.

Sounds like a great program to me.
 

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If I recall (it's been 10 years since I enlisted) the military oath of enlistment mentions God.
 

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
If I recall (it's been 10 years since I enlisted) the military oath of enlistment mentions God.



I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God
 

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Good for them. People need to get over themselves and stop being scared by the silliest of things.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Good for them. People need to get over themselves and stop being scared by the silliest of things.

Now thems some God fearin' people. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Thera
That's disgusting... Why do Republicans want less government control but yet still try to influence our religion through state "pledges"?

The "defending the constitution" is pretty choice also. We'll make you all believe that the constituation is important but we'll fight any legal battle to take away the rights afforded by the constitution.

Why do the Republicans double talk on the majority of there planks? They preach issues but when it comes time they do the exact opposite???
rolleye.gif

Yea, the ten commandments are in the US Supreme Court building and the Senate opens up each session with a prayers... I guess this whole country is disgusting.
 

Gaard

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Can't people stop b!tching and complaining about sh!t? Seems like everytime I turn around someone's raising a stink about something. Why can't people just go about there business and stop worrying about what others are doing?
 

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: BoberFett
If I recall (it's been 10 years since I enlisted) the military oath of enlistment mentions God.



I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God
Dumb question...What happens if someone refuses to say "So help me god" at the end? Is it optional?
 

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Can't people stop b!tching and complaining about sh!t? Seems like everytime I turn around someone's raising a stink about something. Why can't people just go about there business and stop worrying about what others are doing?



that might be easier if dumbfvsks stopped trying to mesh religion with government.
 

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Gaard
Can't people stop b!tching and complaining about sh!t? Seems like everytime I turn around someone's raising a stink about something. Why can't people just go about there business and stop worrying about what others are doing?



that might be easier if dumbfvsks stopped trying to mesh religion with government.


Right or wrong...it's been going on for 227 years.

Let's say we stop this latest pledge proposal.
Let's say Judge Moore takes his monument down.
Let's say we burn/destroy all our money and make new money.
Let's say we strike the word God from all government papers/documents/publishings.
Let's say we forbid our servicemen from making any reference to God. (see Dave's post above)
Let's say we confiscate all bibles from our country's courts...no more swearing in with it.
Let's say we forbid our president from making anymore written or oral references to God.

Will all of that appease the whiners? Or will they just look around and find something else to protest? 227 years worth of dumbfvcks. It's time for me to quote the most oft spoken phrase on these forums...If you don't like it, leave. I here New Zealand's nice this time of year.

 

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At the rate we're going we'll be required to have Jesus Christ toilet paper... No sense in stopping it, might as well just take the GOP nominated Jesus garbage.

I have no problem with what was done in the past but making people in the yar 2002 add "God" to a service organization pledge is silly. It's a simple pledge why change it? Answer me Republicans??? WHY CHANGE IT?
 

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Gaard
Can't people stop b!tching and complaining about sh!t? Seems like everytime I turn around someone's raising a stink about something. Why can't people just go about there business and stop worrying about what others are doing?



that might be easier if dumbfvsks stopped trying to mesh religion with government.


Right or wrong...it's been going on for 227 years.

Let's say we stop this latest pledge proposal.
Let's say Judge Moore takes his monument down.
Let's say we burn/destroy all our money and make new money.
Let's say we strike the word God from all government papers/documents/publishings.
Let's say we forbid our servicemen from making any reference to God. (see Dave's post above)
Let's say we confiscate all bibles from our country's courts...no more swearing in with it.
Let's say we forbid our president from making anymore written or oral references to God.

Will all of that appease the whiners? Or will they just look around and find something else to protest? 227 years worth of dumbfvcks. It's time for me to quote the most oft spoken phrase on these forums...If you don't like it, leave. I here New Zealand's nice this time of year.


thank you. these people that bitch about it make me sick. get over it. this country was created under the beliefs that government was instilled to protect God-given rights.
 

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Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: BoberFett
If I recall (it's been 10 years since I enlisted) the military oath of enlistment mentions God.



I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God
Dumb question...What happens if someone refuses to say "So help me god" at the end? Is it optional?

The only option is that you can "swear" or "affirm".
 

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Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Gaard
Can't people stop b!tching and complaining about sh!t? Seems like everytime I turn around someone's raising a stink about something. Why can't people just go about there business and stop worrying about what others are doing?



that might be easier if dumbfvsks stopped trying to mesh religion with government.


Right or wrong...it's been going on for 227 years.

Let's say we stop this latest pledge proposal.
Let's say Judge Moore takes his monument down.
Let's say we burn/destroy all our money and make new money.
Let's say we strike the word God from all government papers/documents/publishings.
Let's say we forbid our servicemen from making any reference to God. (see Dave's post above)
Let's say we confiscate all bibles from our country's courts...no more swearing in with it.
Let's say we forbid our president from making anymore written or oral references to God.

Will all of that appease the whiners? Or will they just look around and find something else to protest? 227 years worth of dumbfvcks. It's time for me to quote the most oft spoken phrase on these forums...If you don't like it, leave. I here New Zealand's nice this time of year.


thank you. these people that bitch about it make me sick. get over it. this country was created under the beliefs that government was instilled to protect God-given rights.


So... Americorp is God given?