Propaganda Handbook

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
"Amateurs"
--- Karl Rove

:laugh:

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Propoganda is a tool of ALL political ideologies.

Honest people have no interest in persuading people though such deceptions, honest Jewish people included.

Originally posted by: Ozoned
It isn't an exclusive Jewish thing.

If you believe I had made any suggestion to the contrary, you've got an absurdly overactive imagination.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Lemon law

...

Maybe we should give the Palestinians the planes, tanks, and bombs, so like Israelis, they can become truly civilized in the ways they kill and brutalize their fellow man. And thus not need suicide bombers to defend themselves from being raped by continual Israeli theft of their own land. As the Palestinian people have been experiencing for the past 61 years.

...

For 25 years the Palestinians had access to such. Apparently their own people would not trust them adn still do not.

Of course, the fact that the Palestinians tried for 25 yers to steal, rape and pillage Israel has no bearing either.

LOLWUT?

Can you please, in some detail, elaborate on that schpritz of bullshit that just came out of your post?

Palestinians have been stealing, raping, and pillaging Israel? Do you also think that rape victims deserved what they got for dressing like whores?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Lemon law

...

Maybe we should give the Palestinians the planes, tanks, and bombs, so like Israelis, they can become truly civilized in the ways they kill and brutalize their fellow man. And thus not need suicide bombers to defend themselves from being raped by continual Israeli theft of their own land. As the Palestinian people have been experiencing for the past 61 years.

...

For 25 years the Palestinians had access to such. Apparently their own people would not trust them adn still do not.

Of course, the fact that the Palestinians tried for 25 yers to steal, rape and pillage Israel has no bearing either.

LOLWUT?

Can you please, in some detail, elaborate on that schpritz of bullshit that just came out of your post?

Palestinians have been stealing, raping, and pillaging Israel? Do you also think that rape victims deserved what they got for dressing like whores?

I just love the way nutcases like you take everything people say out of context in order to try to sound more intelligent than you really are.....

 

[Lemon law]

Excuse me, Common Courtesy, since when have the Palestinian people have access to the quality planes able to delver bombs and the tanks able to stand up to what Israel has. When you have no weapons, stones, bottles, and rocks are hardly any better. But home made explosives and suicide bombers are the best they have in terms of terrorist tactics. That plus some rather ineffectual rockets.

Maybe you are confusing Palestinians with some of the surrounding Arab states with standing armies.

As for the CC contention that, "For 25 years the Palestinians had access to such. Apparently their own people would not trust them adn still do not." There maybe be some truth in that, but the everything for Israel crowd still complains at the gross unfairness when Iran and various wealthy Arabs give the Palestinians anything to defend themselves with.

I do not want to sound too Pro Palestinian or anti Israeli, but I still have to say that the Palestinians have gotten the very short end of the stick here. And grievances on all sides may be valid, but there is and remains a standard of fairness that has to guide us all in an equitable and elusive future mideast peace.


And as Israel continues to settle on the disputed lands of the West Bank, we still have to ask where the displaced Palestinians will go. The Israeli solution seems to be, hope they grow gills and swim away.

 

[bobsmith1492]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Excuse me, Common Courtesy, since when have the Palestinian people have access to the quality planes able to delver bombs and the tanks able to stand up to what Israel has. When you have no weapons, stones, bottles, and rocks are hardly any better. But home made explosives and suicide bombers are the best they have in terms of terrorist tactics. That plus some rather ineffectual rockets.

Maybe you are confusing Palestinians with some of the surrounding Arab states with standing armies.

As for the CC contention that, "For 25 years the Palestinians had access to such. Apparently their own people would not trust them adn still do not." There maybe be some truth in that, but the everything for Israel crowd still complains at the gross unfairness when Iran and various wealthy Arabs give the Palestinians anything to defend themselves with.

I do not want to sound too Pro Palestinian or anti Israeli, but I still have to say that the Palestinians have gotten the very short end of the stick here. And grievances on all sides may be valid, but there is and remains a standard of fairness that has to guide us all in an equitable and elusive future mideast peace.


And as Israel continues to settle on the disputed lands of the West Bank, we still have to ask where the displaced Palestinians will go. The Israeli solution seems to be, hope they grow gills and swim away.

Look up the 6 day war. Israel has been under siege continuously since their inception.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

A typical Israeli soldier peering through the scope of his rifle sees three Palestinians enter the frame. One is an unarmed woman, one is an unarmed child, and the other is a man carrying an AK47 and an RPG7 strung over his shoulder. Which one does the Israeli soldier aim at and intentionally shoot? That would be the man. If either of the other two are hit by his fire, it's entirely accidental. In fact, the Israeli soldier will likely feel remorse for the loss of innocent lives.

Now, same scenario; except, this time, it's a typical Hamas terrorist peering through the scope of his own rifle when three Israeli's enter the frame. One is an unarmed woman, one is an unarmed child, and the third is an Israeli soldier armed with an M4 rifle. Which one does the Hamas terrorist aim at and intentionally shoot? That would be all three, and in no particular order. Later, that same Hamas terrorist, instead of feeling any remorse whatsoever, will cheer and celebrate the death of all three.

That's the real difference, and it's the truth. It doesn't take an understanding of propaganda to figure it out. Hamas has publicly stated that ALL Israeli citizens are fair game, regardless of age, gender, or their status as non-combatants. As far as Hamas is concerned, there is no such thing as a non-combatant.

Acknowledging this fact is the first step toward understanding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict at the ground level.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Lemon law

...

Maybe we should give the Palestinians the planes, tanks, and bombs, so like Israelis, they can become truly civilized in the ways they kill and brutalize their fellow man. And thus not need suicide bombers to defend themselves from being raped by continual Israeli theft of their own land. As the Palestinian people have been experiencing for the past 61 years.

...

For 25 years the Palestinians had access to such. Apparently their own people would not trust them adn still do not.

Of course, the fact that the Palestinians tried for 25 yers to steal, rape and pillage Israel has no bearing either.

LOLWUT?

Can you please, in some detail, elaborate on that schpritz of bullshit that just came out of your post?

Palestinians have been stealing, raping, and pillaging Israel? Do you also think that rape victims deserved what they got for dressing like whores?

I just love the way nutcases like you take everything people say out of context in order to try to sound more intelligent than you really are.....

Please explain--in detail.

YOU are the clown on this board who gets so frothy regarding any Israel-related conversation that you start to ignore grammar and punctuation.

isn't THAt right?21! JediYODA !!!111 YOU DOn't KNOW WQHAT you'RE talking About!!111jkljklfdajfkldsajnkl;

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
A typical Israeli soldier peering through the scope of his rifle sees three Palestinians enter the frame. One is an unarmed woman, one is an unarmed child, and the other is a man carrying an AK47 and an RPG7 strung over his shoulder.

I put on my wizard hat and cape.

 

[Jhhnn]

One point not covered is the exploitation of the holocaust as a generational guilt trip on the zeitgeist of America. Prior to WW2, anti-semitism was quite strong in this country. Some of America's most powerful and admired figures were prominently and vocally anti-semitic, Henry Ford among them. The Klan's battle cry was about "Ni@@gers and Jews". Official US policy prevented jewish refugees from entering the US.

After the war, the horrors of the holocaust being revealed, the feelings of guilt were obviously quite strong, but not strong enough for America to accept those refugees, either. It was, of course, the best thing that ever happened to the Zionist movement. They had a lever, a way to assuage America's guilt and to exploit it at the same time in the foundation of Israel. And it's still widely used whenever Zionists end up on the losing end of the argument- They just start screaming "Holocaust!" at the top of their lungs, and everybody goes quiet...

European Jews flocked to their new homeland, European and American leaders breathed a sigh of relief, and their Zionist leaders had no qualms about setting the stage for Sephardic Jews to be kicked out of the arab lands they'd inhabited since the Inquisition, even employing agent provocateurs to accomplish that... they believed in population migration, bigtime.

Palestinians? Demonize 'em, run 'em over, fvck 'em. Paint them as the villains, even as they're being dispossessed... It's the slow motion Israeli version of Lebensraum, and so long as they don't actually gas the palestinians, they'll probably continue to get away with it. Zionists are, after all, the best in the business, the business of propaganda.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Look up the 6 day war. Israel has been under siege continuously since their inception.

Rather, Israel's inception was predated by Zionist militias and terrorist groups laying siege to hundreds of Arabs localities, outright destroying many, and driving out hundreds of thousands of people, in the beginnings of the Nakba. I hope you might take the time to not just look up, but really look into the details of that, then look into when Israel teamed up with England and France to launch a surprise attack on Egypt in the Suez War. After that I'm guessing you should take a better look into the events leading to the Six-Day War, and who fired the opening shots of that, as I get the impression your understanding of that event is exceedingly superficial.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
As far as Hamas is concerned, there is no such thing as a non-combatant.

Sure enough, they tell their fighters to:

...not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you ... to function according to the law 'kill the one who comes to kill you.' As for the population, it is not innocent ... We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy."

Oh, wait, those are quotes from Israeli exteemists. Of course the Israeli military rabbinate isn't so candid in calling for the killing of any Palestinians, but they make no qualms about declaring all Palestinians their enemies and invoking Biblical warfare, as also noted in the same article:

An overview of some of the army rabbinate's publications made available during the fighting reflects the tone of nationalist propaganda that steps blatantly into politics,
...

"[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it." This is an excerpt from a publication entitled "Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead," issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from "Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner," who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

The following questions are posed in one publication: "Is it possible to compare today's Palestinians to the Philistines of the past? And if so, is it possible to apply lessons today from the military tactics of Samson and David?" Rabbi Aviner is again quoted as saying: "A comparison is possible because the Philistines of the past were not natives and had invaded from a foreign land ... They invaded the Land of Israel, a land that did not belong to them and claimed political ownership over our country ... Today the problem is the same. The Palestinians claim they deserve a state here, when in reality there was never a Palestinian or Arab state within the borders of our country. Moreover, most of them are new and came here close to the time of the War of Independence."

But I guess many don't consider such disregard for human rights troubling as long as Arabs are the one ones getting the shit end of the stick of it. As one noble Israeli sarcastically explained:

This is the Israeli notion of a fair deal: We're entitled to do whatever the hell we want to the Palestinians because, by definition, whatever we do to them is self-defense. They, however, are not entitled to lift a finger against us because, by definition, whatever they do to us is terrorism.

That's the way it's always been, that's the way it was in Operation Cast Lead.

AND THERE are no limits on our right to self-defense. There is no such thing as "disproportionate." We can blockade Gaza, we can answer Kassams with F-16s and Apaches, we can take 100 eyes for an eye.

We can deliberately destroy thousands of Gazan homes, the Gazan parliament, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Interior, courthouses, the only Gazan flour plant, the main poultry farm, a sewage treatment plant, water wells and God knows what else.

Deliberately.

After all, we're acting in self-defense. By definition.

And what right do the Palestinians have to defend themselves against this?

None.

That sums up your position on the matter about right, eh? Granted, I doubt it is the position you mean to have, but I can see how it could be hard for you to even know what your position is with all the propaganda clouding the facts.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Look up the 6 day war. Israel has been under siege continuously since their inception.

Rather, Israel's inception was predated by Zionist militias and terrorist groups laying siege to hundreds of Arabs localities, outright destroy many, and driving out hundreds of thousands of people, in the beginnings of the Nakba. I hope you might take the time to not just look up, but really look into the details of that, then look into when Israel teamed up with England and France to launch a surprise attack on Egypt in the Suez War. After that I'm guessing you should take a better look into the events leading to the Six-Day War, and who fired the opening shots of that, as I get the impression your understanding of that event is exceedingly superficial.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
As far as Hamas is concerned, there is no such thing as a non-combatant.

Sure enough, they tell their fighters to:

...not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you ... to function according to the law 'kill the one who comes to kill you.' As for the population, it is not innocent ... We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy."

Oh, wait, those are quotes from Israeli exteemists. Of course the Israeli military rabbinate isn't so candid in calling for the killing of any Palestinians, but they make no qualms about declaring all Palestinians their enemies and invoking Biblical warfare, as also noted in the same article:

An overview of some of the army rabbinate's publications made available during the fighting reflects the tone of nationalist propaganda that steps blatantly into politics,
...

"[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it." This is an excerpt from a publication entitled "Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead," issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from "Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner," who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

The following questions are posed in one publication: "Is it possible to compare today's Palestinians to the Philistines of the past? And if so, is it possible to apply lessons today from the military tactics of Samson and David?" Rabbi Aviner is again quoted as saying: "A comparison is possible because the Philistines of the past were not natives and had invaded from a foreign land ... They invaded the Land of Israel, a land that did not belong to them and claimed political ownership over our country ... Today the problem is the same. The Palestinians claim they deserve a state here, when in reality there was never a Palestinian or Arab state within the borders of our country. Moreover, most of them are new and came here close to the time of the War of Independence."

But I guess many don't consider such disregard for human rights troubling as long as Arabs are the one ones getting the shit end of the stick of it. As one noble Israeli sarcastically explained:

This is the Israeli notion of a fair deal: We're entitled to do whatever the hell we want to the Palestinians because, by definition, whatever we do to them is self-defense. They, however, are not entitled to lift a finger against us because, by definition, whatever they do to us is terrorism.

That's the way it's always been, that's the way it was in Operation Cast Lead.

AND THERE are no limits on our right to self-defense. There is no such thing as "disproportionate." We can blockade Gaza, we can answer Kassams with F-16s and Apaches, we can take 100 eyes for an eye.

We can deliberately destroy thousands of Gazan homes, the Gazan parliament, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Interior, courthouses, the only Gazan flour plant, the main poultry farm, a sewage treatment plant, water wells and God knows what else.

Deliberately.

After all, we're acting in self-defense. By definition.

And what right do the Palestinians have to defend themselves against this?

None.

That sums up your position on the matter about right, eh? Granted, I doubt it is the position you mean to have, but I can see how it could be hard to even know what your position is though all the propaganda clouding the facts.

b... bb.... bbbut HAMAS!!!

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Lemon law

...

Maybe we should give the Palestinians the planes, tanks, and bombs, so like Israelis, they can become truly civilized in the ways they kill and brutalize their fellow man. And thus not need suicide bombers to defend themselves from being raped by continual Israeli theft of their own land. As the Palestinian people have been experiencing for the past 61 years.

...

For 25 years the Palestinians had access to such. Apparently their own people would not trust them adn still do not.

Of course, the fact that the Palestinians tried for 25 yers to steal, rape and pillage Israel has no bearing either.

LOLWUT?

Can you please, in some detail, elaborate on that schpritz of bullshit that just came out of your post?

Palestinians have been stealing, raping, and pillaging Israel? Do you also think that rape victims deserved what they got for dressing like whores?

I just love the way nutcases like you take everything people say out of context in order to try to sound more intelligent than you really are.....

Please explain--in detail.

YOU are the clown on this board who gets so frothy regarding any Israel-related conversation that you start to ignore grammar and punctuation.

isn't THAt right?21! JediYODA !!!111 YOU DOn't KNOW WQHAT you'RE talking About!!111jkljklfdajfkldsajnkl;

I know that this is asking for QUITE A LOT, but can you guys clear up your statements for me?

I'm particularly interested in the CC's conviction in the "Palestinian theft, rape, and pillage of Israel," and how my request for clarification on his magical thinking makes me a "nutcase."

 

[fallout man]

*tumbleweed*

 

[fallout man]

*crickets chirping*

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Unless you can demonstrate that the vast majority of media outlets are cooperatively lying to us about who the suicide bombers are, I'm still voting for Israel. I don't hate palestinians. I hate Hamas.

Lol, game set match.
Thread over with this one.