Proof of Collusion : How Trump Betrayed America

[cytg111]

By Seth Abramson.

https://www.amazon.com/Proof-Collusion-Trump-Betrayed-America/dp/1982116080/

His Twitter post :

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1035547477305421824

This one should be interesting as its evidence based and not an opinion piece per se, availability november 13th I am afraid (kindle e-book now?). Cant wait to read the reviews + follow his twitter that is bound to get shelled with questions and followups..

 

[Jaskalas]

Guy selling a book, news at 11....

If Mueller won't make the case or state the charges, then it's not real. Simple as that. He is the authority who'd know the truth. Not some talking head looking to make a buck.

 

[baydude]

Why does someone need to buy a book I’m order to get proof of collusion? Isn’t that the purpose of the Mueller investigation?

 

[cytg111]

Its different cause it has the potential for individual stories/leads to get picked up by mainstream media... everything in the book, I am told, is sourced.
If nothing else it is one of those bricks in the wall around Trump, it could hasten a further decline in approval rating and thus prime him for impeachment... Every single nanometer counts.

 

[UNCjigga]

Seth/S&S, the least you could do was release it a few weeks earlier just in time for the election! C'mon man!

 

[Josephus312]

Its different cause it has the potential for individual stories/leads to get picked up by mainstream media... everything in the book, I am told, is sourced.
If nothing else it is one of those bricks in the wall around Trump, it could hasten a further decline in approval rating and thus prime him for impeachment... Every single nanometer counts.

Seth is kinda like Hannity for the left.

I'll await the Mueller report.

 

[Greenman]

I guess they can shut down the investigation right now and just have a grand jury read the book when it comes out.
Tangential thought: I wonder how many rubes are actually going to buy this book believing that it spells the end for Trump?

 

[Younigue]

I guess they can shut down the investigation right now and just have a grand jury read the book when it comes out.
Tangential thought: I wonder how many rubes are actually going to buy this book believing that it spells the end for Trump?

Yeah because that's the point of this thread. Geezuz, tha fu*k is wrong with you?

 

[woolfe9998]

I think writing a book about it is legitimate, but there's potentially a lot more we still don't know. The time isn't ripe for it yet.

 

[Moonbeam]

On the bright side, the more Trump Derangement Syndrome there is the sooner the turd gets flushed. I just spent five minutes running around in my house crying and screaming and flapping my arms to see if I could fly. Nothing yet but I do feel much better.

 

[cytg111]

It is ok, it is ok... as time passes and more and more stories break with offset in this book I WILL be bumping this thread with a "Told you so".. We will see .

 

[mikeymikec]

I guess they can shut down the investigation right now and just have a grand jury read the book when it comes out.
Tangential thought: I wonder how many rubes are actually going to buy this book believing that it spells the end for Trump?

Well, it might have a secondary purpose:

 

[cytg111]

Seth is kinda like Hannity for the left.

I'll await the Mueller report.

Hannity = Fiction and state tv.
Seth = Journalism?

 

[Jaskalas]

Its different cause it has the potential for individual stories/leads to get picked up by mainstream media... everything in the book, I am told, is sourced.
If nothing else it is one of those bricks in the wall around Trump, it could hasten a further decline in approval rating and thus prime him for impeachment... Every single nanometer counts.

I'm sure the public could be made to froth. Just as they were with "Clinton Cash" and Uranium One.
Should chants of "lock her up" be replaced by "lock him up"?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm sure the public could be made to froth. Just as they were with "Clinton Cash" and Uranium One.
Should chants of "lock her up" be replaced by "lock him up"?

I don’t know about chants but I would be frankly amazed if by the end of this there isn’t sufficient evidence to charge Trump with multiple felonies. Honestly, there’s enough now just from what we know publicly.

The problem with the ‘lock her up’ stuff is they she hadn’t committed any crimes and the people chanting it were too delusional and frothing to accept that. I’m perfectly okay with locking up politicians who are guilty. We should do it more often, regardless of party.

 

[Jaskalas]

The problem with the ‘lock her up’ stuff is they she hadn’t committed any crimes and the people chanting it were too delusional and frothing to accept that

There's another problem with this book. It'll be touted as a replacement for Mueller and the DOJ. Even if Democrats don't speak a word of it, Hannity will. He'll have people speak to some flaws in it. Therefore it's a drive-by hit piece by Democrats, to be smeared and called fake. Thus the DOJ investigation is also fake. Nothing is real.

It adds fuel to that fire as it'll pretend to be authentic, but only Mueller has that clout.

 

[fskimospy]

There's another problem with this book. It'll be touted as a replacement for Mueller and the DOJ. Even if Democrats don't speak a word of it, Hannity will. He'll have people speak to some flaws in it. Therefore it's a drive-by hit piece by Democrats, to be smeared and called fake. Thus the DOJ investigation is also fake. Nothing is real.

It adds fuel to that fire as it'll pretend to be authentic, but only Mueller can do that.

I definitely agree with you there.

I’m not a fan of this book either because it’s necessarily written with very incomplete knowledge and is bound to get significant things wrong as a result and yes, any error, no matter how minor, will be seized on by Hannity and co.

 

[cytg111]

I'm sure the public could be made to froth. Just as they were with "Clinton Cash" and Uranium One.
Should chants of "lock her up" be replaced by "lock him up"?

For the time being? Yes.

 

[Josephus312]

Hannity = Fiction and state tv.
Seth = Journalism?

I would put it like this:

Seth = "journalism"

 

[Josephus312]

There is another problem with these kinds of stunts. People are getting tired of hearing of how there was collusion and then how the FBI has to come out and say that they have no evidence of collusion.

It undermines the whole invenstigation.

I get that people are anxious, so am I but let's wait for Mueller to finish and then we can gloat to our hearts content.

 

[fskimospy]

There is another problem with these kinds of stunts. People are getting tired of hearing of how there was collusion and then how the FBI has to come out and say that they have no evidence of collusion.

It undermines the whole invenstigation.

I get that people are anxious, so am I but let's wait for Mueller to finish and then we can gloat to our hearts content.

The FBI has never said it has no evidence of collusion.

 

[woolfe9998]

The FBI has never said it has no evidence of collusion.

Yes, and he also needs to better define what he considers "evidence of collusion." I think he's looking for a smoking gun.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, and he also needs to better define what he considers "evidence of collusion." I think he's looking for a smoking gun.

I mean we already basically have a smoking gun. We have the president saying he fired the head of the FBI because of the Russia investigation.

That’s not smoke, that’s fire.

 

[Josephus312]

The FBI has never said it has no evidence of collusion.

You're right, though they have continously had to deny claims made by others that is not a claim they have had to deny.

It's my mistake but my point still stands, I REALLY think we should wait for the Mueller report.

I don't want more speculation, I want an actual result instead of more gossip.

 

[woolfe9998]

You're right, though they have continously had to deny claims made by others that is not a claim they have had to deny.

It's my mistake but my point still stands, I REALLY think we should wait for the Mueller report.

I don't want more speculation, I want an actual result instead of more gossip.

I think a ton of evidence has been released already, both of a circumstantial and a more direct nature. It's totally fair game to discuss that evidence and its probable meaning because it's a matter of grave public interest. We obviously won't know for sure until Mueller releases his report. Actually, even then we may not know for sure, because we can't know about things Mueller never learned of.

The discourse on this topic is ongoing and evolving. I'll just leave it at that.