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K1052

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Interesting the recent surveys supposedly showing tightening in the horse rate also show his approval and the generic ballot essentially unchanged.

Somebody is going to have to decide if the major surveys are lying when they show a big Biden margin or proof of Trump's strength when they show a smaller margin. The arguments are not consistent.
 
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dawp

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there is normally a bump after the convention end and it usually fades quickly
 

BoomerD

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we actually had an honest man in the white house, but half the country doesnt know that because they listen to Fox News all day long.
In fact I think this quarantine is making things worse because more people are spending more time in front of the Idiot Box.
We did, but unfortunately for Jimmy Carter, the time following the end of the Vietnam War was tough. The oil embargo and energy crisis, the "depression" following the end of the war when all of a sudden so many military troops are released...and jobs are scarce, combined with the huge reduction in military spending, the huge interest jump...mortgage interest rates skyrocketed to 15, 18, 20% or more...
 

K1052

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I was reading a story the other day about voters in urban/suburban NC and they were being asked about the "AMERICAN CITIES IN LIBERAL CHAOS BURNING TO THE GROUND AND MURDER SOCIALISTS RUNNING THE STREETS" approach Trump and the Republicans were going and the response was basically "Wut? Nothing is happening here and we don't believe it". Even one lady who said she was voting for Trump didn't find it credible (or him really).

Huge swaths of the nation are quiet including the vast majority of urban areas. Crime ranks far below other concerns like schooling, the economy, and coronavirus on basically every survey taken. There is danger in becoming too "online" like Trump has since the view of what's actually going on can get so distorted and not agree with much of the nation who isn't.
 
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Greenman

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All true and it makes my point. We have a built in mechanism that produces a gag response and vomiting when a poisonous or noxious substance is ingested. All you have to do to make a child hate himself is to identify him as the source of disgust. In this way we learn to be disgusted and project it on the other. Fear is the anticipation of disgust. It can be evoked by association with things that are disgusting where the feeling one is revolting gets safely managed by projection. Snakes and spiders etc can give people the heebie-jeebies.
You must have had a rough childhood.
 

Moonbeam

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You must have had a rough childhood.
I remember a time on a warm cloudy day laying of my middle class huge back yard house staring up at the sky watching the clouds roll by so present in the moment that time did not exist. If I were to say that my childhood was rough I would put myself in a class of victims you might have pity for. That pity for me would deny who the pity should be directed to. If I were to say my childhood was super great, something so easy for me to do as it is what I used to believe, it would deny the deepest dives I have made into my feelings and the awareness that I am not in command of all that has been repressed. Let us say, then, that my childhood left me with the adumbration, here and there,of what life should be like. Except as you be like an innocent child you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You are an innocent child. Do you know it? Each must begin where he or she is, and where others are is of no relevance.
 
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Starbuck1975

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This is irrelevant and a defense mechanism seems to me to avoid dealing straight on with the fact that nobody in politics has ever lied like Trump. His lies are criminal and have cause thousands to die unnecessarily jusat because of his shit for brains ego. No larger piece of excrement has ever before hit the American political stage. Why do you think you have a need to do this both sides thing? Trump is garbage; not every conservative is. Some Democrats are garbage too. It's just not the point.
Because Trump rode into town on the road paved after decades of political partisans rationalizing the lies of their respective tribe.
 

fskimospy

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Because Trump rode into town on the road paved after decades of political partisans rationalizing the lies of their respective tribe.
Can always count on you for that sweet sweet #bothsides action.

As always by attempting to #bothsides a situation where both sides are obviously not equal you enable the worst liars and let them get away with it.
 

pauldun170

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We did, but unfortunately for Jimmy Carter, the time following the end of the Vietnam War was tough. The oil embargo and energy crisis, the "depression" following the end of the war when all of a sudden so many military troops are released...and jobs are scarce,

combined with the huge reduction in military spending,

the huge interest jump...mortgage interest rates skyrocketed to 15, 18, 20% or more...
FYI: that's a myth
Jimmy Carter’s presidency proved crucial to the recrudescence of American military power after Vietnam. Dominated by members of the Trilateral Commission, an executive advisory committee to trans-national finance which envisioned a tri-polar world order led by the U.S., Germany and Japan, the Carter administration (1977-1981) abandoned campaign pledges to cut defense spending by $7 billion, and initiated budgetary increases that in his last year amounted to the largest in history during peacetime to that point.5 Money for research and development and the purchase of new aircraft and army equipment nearly doubled and Pentagon support for research in the universities increased by nearly 70 percent after a brief decline due to Vietnam-related protests.
Reagan even apologized for spreading that bullshit narrative


Carter years saw a bit of transformation.

For example
"Carter cancelled the B1 bomber!!!"
(Carter saw it as pointless since they were secretly working on the B2 and stealth technologies )
 

Moonbeam

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Because Trump rode into town on the road paved after decades of political partisans rationalizing the lies of their respective tribe.
I read this as the reason conservatives voted for the biggest lying scumbag in American political history Is because decades of Republicans lying to themselves that both sides are equal in lying gave them moral permission to do so. Notice the Democrats have, after all of those decades and the most recent massive PoS liar yet, have nominated a man any independent political fact-checked will show to be a very normal politician where the truth is concerned.

it is only in Altered Reality Crazy Town conservative thinking this kind bo both sides delusional thinking provides such immoral self justification.

Furthermore, this comports with peer review neuroscience proof that conservative more so than liberals are like this. You are aware of this fact, are you not. I have hammered it home on this forum countless times, and often enough with the promise that while scientifically proven, conservatives, like so many other facts they find damaging to their egos, will not hear it. They more than liberals have brains wired to avoid bad news for their egos. Both sides to a degree. on one side, however the degree amounts to insanity.

what you do is lie to yourself and project everyone else does the same to the same degree. But no matter how hard you try or deny, you will not alter the reality of people more willing to face painful truth.

For example, you probably also want to deny that you cling to the comfort your biased assumptions paint your ego in a positive light is because you desperately need to, in fact because you actually feel you are the worst person in the world. Had you no need to deny that then seeing how horribly you judge others by how horribly you feel would be a piece of cake.

What your denial does for you is to prevent self awareness. That creates the blindness that allows you to see only others as the ones with your problems. Then your contempt for them strengthens and keeps your self contempt from any healthy impulse to ease because of the inability to forgive. The less you forgive others insures your own unconscious misery. You have been forgiven because you had to buy lies to survive and surviving is a good thing so you really weren’t guilty of anything. But you don’t need to lie any more. Time to awaken. Everything you fear already happened and is simply repressed. You were always worthy of love. Let it all go. Baby steps........
 
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Muse

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I read this as the reason conservatives voted for the biggest lying scumbag in American political history Is because decades of Republicans lying to themselves that both sides are equal in lying gave them moral permission to do so. Notice the Democrats have, after all of those decades and the most recent massive PoS liar yet, have nominated a man any independent political fact-checked will show to be a very normal politician where the truth is concerned.

it is only in Altered Reality Crazy Town conservative thinking this kind bo both sides delusional thinking provides such immoral self justification.

Furthermore, this comports with peer review neuroscience proof that conservative more so than liberals are like this. You are aware of this fact, are you not. I have hammered it home on this forum countless times, and often enough with the promise that while scientifically proven, conservatives, like so many other facts they find damaging to their egos, will not hear it. They more than liberals have brains wired to avoid bad news for their egos. Both sides to a degree. on one side, however the degree amounts to insanity.

what you do is lie to yourself and project everyone else does the same to the same degree. But no matter how hard you try or deny, you will not alter the reality of people more willing to face painful truth.

For example, you probably also want to deny that you cling to the comfort your biased assumptions paint your ego in a positive light is because you desperately need to, in fact because you actually feel you are the worst person in the world. Had you no need to deny that then seeing how horribly you judge others by how horribly you feel would be a piece of cake.

What your denial does for you is to prevent self awareness. That creates the blindness that allows you to see only others as the ones with your problems. Then your contempt for them strengthens and keeps your self contempt from any healthy impulse to ease because of the inability to forgive. The less you forgive others insures your own unconscious misery. You have been forgiven because you had to buy lies to survive and surviving is a good thing so you really weren’t guilty of anything. But you don’t need to lie any more. Time to awaken. Everything you fear already happened and is simply repressed. You were always worthy of love. Let it all go. Baby steps........
As the air to a bird or the sea to a fish, so is contempt to the contemptible. The crow wish'd every thing was black, the owl, that every thing was white. - William Blake
 
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woolfe9998

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That is the worst article I've seen in a while. The polls are completely consistent with a steady biden 8-point lead, showing one error of +2 (10-point lead) and -2 (6-point lead). The 538 aggregate shows biden having one of his highest leads of the race as of thurs, and its contracted by half a point as of this morning.
Popular vote polling has been relatively stable with Biden at +8 - +9.5 fluctuating in that range for nearly 3 months now, with occasional brief strays a little outside that range.

There has been some narrowing in the swing state polling but that is actually because of a single poll which came out on 8/24. The pollster, Trafalgar Group, is a partisan pollster who released a series of swing state polls showing near ties in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and PA.

The problem with swing state polling is that there are fewer polls and the polls are usually lower quality. One outlier poll will produce what looks like a dramatic shift. In some swing states, we only see one new poll per week. Give it another week and the swing state average will likely climb again in Biden's favor.
 
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Moonbeam

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As the air to a bird or the sea to a fish, so is contempt to the contemptible. The crow wish'd every thing was black, the owl, that every thing was white. - William Blake
There is one truth and it covers us all. It finds expression again and again through time and culture and geographical location. I also like Meister Eckhart.
 

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