Proof buying weed supports terrorism

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
If it is true that the government derives its power from the governed, it only seems reasonable for the governed to exercise prudence in the granting of said power. Part of the granting process, it seems to me, is the oversight, the questioning, the gaining of confirmation that the granted power is used in the manner the governed approve. To the extent we are somewhat of different minds we will find our selves critical or defenders of the executors actions. We are possessed of not only the Right, given we are the grantor's but, also the Duty as prudent citizens. To do less is to abrogate our responsibility to insure that the use of granted power is judiciously used. The vote is the means to effect the right. The protest is a means to effect the Duty. The absence of Protest indicates agreement while the invocation (legal definition) of protest assures the minority grantor's voice is heard.
Sheep don't vote and neither do they protest as they're lead off the cliff's edge until looking up they bleat utter surprise at the gravity of their short comings.

Nice....better than my trust example.

 

[LunarRay]

Zebo,

Nice....better than my trust example

It is quite like a trust. The trust officer has a fiduciary and moral responsibility to the beneficiary (ies) of that trust. What they are now about is financial AND moral bankruptcy. What we, really us boomer's, will leave to the younger generation is a lot less than what we inherited.

 

[kage69]

From afar, Kage69, one may opine that a Mason jar filled with air contains nothing, zilch. One may chortle and chuckle while looking at the very thing one demands is absent. When actually shown the jar's contents one proclaims haughtily that it is nothing but Hot Air. What I suppose amazes me most is the process of denial and deflection. First one denies a point exists (the air) then exclaims that while it may exist it is irrelevant or not pertaining to the debate (the hot air). All the while proudly pronouncing ones own hot air is the Black Hole of sentient thought. Where the masses gather to be inculcated and edified. Simply amazing!

*tsk* *tsk*
In this case, the mason jar is full of piss, and one is indeed chortling and chuckling at it's contents. One hasn't denied the presence of the piss, in fact, one has called attention to it. One chuckling at the piss is not piss itself.

MoonBeam? LunarRay? Hrmmmmm. Are you a fan, or an additional account?

 

[Eli]

OMG......

The stupidity and ignorance in this thread is astounding.

 

[kage69]

What they are now about is financial AND moral bankruptcy. What we, really us boomer's, will leave to the younger generation is a lot less than what we inherited.

Now that is a sad, sad truth.

 

[bleeb]

If you talk to Tumbleweed in Seaside Oregon, he will tell you to: "Smoke the Holy Ganja! Don't let the military getcha" and basically he's telling you to NOT join the military and just smoke weed all day long. THIS is how buying and using weed promotes/supports terrorism.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: kage69

From afar, Kage69, one may opine that a Mason jar filled with air contains nothing, zilch. One may chortle and chuckle while looking at the very thing one demands is absent. When actually shown the jar's contents one proclaims haughtily that it is nothing but Hot Air. What I suppose amazes me most is the process of denial and deflection. First one denies a point exists (the air) then exclaims that while it may exist it is irrelevant or not pertaining to the debate (the hot air). All the while proudly pronouncing ones own hot air is the Black Hole of sentient thought. Where the masses gather to be inculcated and edified. Simply amazing!

*tsk* *tsk*
In this case, the mason jar is full of piss, and one is indeed chortling and chuckling at it's contents. One hasn't denied the presence of the piss, in fact, one has called attention to it. One chuckling at the piss is not piss itself.

MoonBeam? LunarRay? Hrmmmmm. Are you a fan, or an additional account?

When you think about it the analogy holds, don't it.
If you believe you possess the requisite intellect to debate Moonbeam on the 'side bar' anecdotal or well researched comments we can open a thread to facilitate this. I'd be interested in that dialog, for sure. Otherwise why not debate on the merits of the contextual thesis proffered.
I'm a fan of Moonbeam because often or at times the substance resides beneath the written words. It takes more than a surface skim to understand what he is saying or reflecting as the case may be.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: kage69

What they are now about is financial AND moral bankruptcy. What we, really us boomer's, will leave to the younger generation is a lot less than what we inherited.

Now that is a sad, sad truth.

I'd vote for an immediate turn around of this situation. We must return this nation to something the younger folks can build upon not some crumbled foundation upon which nothing can stand long. We owe it to the youth of today and their progeny. We have failed our own children... let us not allow them to perpetuate it..

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: bleeb
If you talk to Tumbleweed in Seaside Oregon, he will tell you to: "Smoke the Holy Ganja! Don't let the military getcha" and basically he's telling you to NOT join the military and just smoke weed all day long. THIS is how buying and using weed promotes/supports terrorism.

Because He says do 'this' does not encumber all folks to do 'this'. If folks do 'this' it is for them and it carries what ever significance they derive. I don't nor haven't so I'm not able to speak directly to the issue other than to say that it would seem no different to do dope than to do alcohol..
From the financial POV, however, I'd like a nexus from them to us. Perhaps it is true and requires better interdiction on the part of our Homeland Security folks. It would seem that cures both ills. Unless of course there is a nexus between the terrorists and other sources of weed.

 

[kage69]

When you think about it the analogy holds, don't it. If you believe you possess the requisite intellect to debate Moonbeam on the 'side bar' anecdotal or well researched comments we can open a thread to facilitate this. I'd be interested in that dialog, for sure. Otherwise why not debate on the merits of the contextual thesis proffered.

Something tells me you're not taking into account much of what I am, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I know I'm not the only one here who takes exception to moon popping into a thread with pithy yet condescending metaphors and comparisons (which may or may not work) where inevitably others are portrayed as simpletons who form their opinions out of ignorance (although, in his defense, there are a lot of trolls here deserving of that). Indeed, often it seems it is moon that isn't, as you say, debating on the merit of the contextual thesis proffered. I'm a believer in the phrase, "When in Rome..." I don't really see too many others here mixing the P&N medium with a course in philosophy or epistomology. Whatever. I'm tired of this now. Damn these eyes of mine, I need advil. *shakes head*

I'd vote for an immediate turn around of this situation. We must return this nation to something the younger folks can build upon not some crumbled foundation upon which nothing can stand long. We owe it to the youth of today and their progeny. We have failed our own children... let us not allow them to perpetuate it..

Hear hear, but what pray tell would that entail? I'm all for kickin Bush out of the White House, but wouldn't change on this magnitude require something more....profound? On the financial and moral fronts, I'd consider the moral arena more daunting. Big business and the fiscal management of the government seem to be things far more maleable then say, effecting change on how Americans view religion's role in foreign policy.





ok, my head goin to explode... gah

 

[LunarRay]

Kage69,

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I'd vote for an immediate turn around of this situation. We must return this nation to something the younger folks can build upon not some crumbled foundation upon which nothing can stand long. We owe it to the youth of today and their progeny. We have failed our own children... let us not allow them to perpetuate it..
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Hear hear, but what pray tell would that entail? I'm all for kickin Bush out of the White House, but wouldn't change on this magnitude require something more....profound? On the financial and moral fronts, I'd consider the moral arena more daunting. Big business and the fiscal management of the government seem to be things far more maleable then say, effecting change on how Americans view religion's role in foreign policy.
ok, my head goin to explode... gah

Sorry if I've added to your condition.. take an ibuprophen..

In this case, I'd not concern my self with the whom so much as the what. I presume if anyone has the best interest of the nation at heart the end result and the path would be very similar.
I'd suggest that the very first step is to codify into the Constitution what the 14th Amendment has been butchered to mean. If it is not explicitly stated then it just ain't there. If the states want their states rights back then we cannot have a constitutional amendment (the 14th) that stymies them. If Montana wants the religion of its state to be Rock Worship fine.. that is for the Montana folks to decide.. and then at the end of the day each state has what its citizens want.
The next step is to balance the National Budget and the Trade Deficit. Allocate to each nation a right to import in equal to what we export to them. Less is fine but, more is not (Including oil). Decide that the role of the Federal Government is not as Hamilton would have had it but, rather a weak central government. Who's duties are easily definable and allow taxation to meet those needs and not a penny more. This transfers to the states the burden and the tax base to support it.. bring government into the living room or kitchen table. Let the states create the jobs since the Federal folks can't agree on which pig gets the slop among themselves. If this entails breaking out of the WTO fine! I believe we've the resources and technology to be fully isolated (to the grumble of the multinational corps) but, need not be. Let the states control what the Senators vote. Repeal the amendment putting the senate vote to the people and put it back to the state legislature and Governor.
We are a democratic republic or suppose to be but have become one large state IMO.
Put the dias below the level of the audience not way up and above.. let us look down upon them rather than them down at us.
This is all in gross terms.. I'd refine my thoughts to programs but, why do that.. who'd want to right a sinking ship whose planking is rotten and sails are in tathers?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Drugs in and of themselves are terrorism. They are a threat to our society, and should be ruthlessely stamped out along with those who pedal them to our people.

how many americans would be willing to give up their booze, which imo is just as destructive. live and let live. we should be able to grow our own pot

 

[Moonbeam]

Something tells me you're not taking into account much of what I am, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. [We all seek to be understood. It will help in your endeavor in this direction to extend what you seek for yourself to others] I know I'm not the only one here who takes exception to moon popping into a thread [Ah the strength in numbers defense as if numbers in other directions don't exist or numbers really much matter] with pithy yet condescending [have a care that what you call condesending isn't just some defensiveness springing from some unseen feeling of inferiority of your own and not intended by me] metaphors and comparisons (which may or may not work) where inevitably [hehe, careful with that tar brush] others are portrayed as simpletons who form their opinions out of ignorance (although, in his defense, there are a lot of trolls here deserving of that). [but I kage, am not one of them naturally, but like Moonbeam know who they are] Indeed, often it seems it is moon that isn't, as you say, debating on the merit of the contextual thesis proffered. [see below] I'm a believer in the phrase, "When in Rome..." [I'm a believer there's one truth and it covers Rome and everywhere else too] I don't really see too many others here mixing the P&N medium with a course in philosophy or epistomology. [Sad huh] Whatever. I'm tired of this now. Damn these eyes of mine, I need advil. *shakes head*[hehe, sorry]

Hear hear, but what pray tell would that entail? I'm all for kickin Bush out of the White House, but wouldn't change on this magnitude require something more....profound? [Hey, now you know why I'm here] On the financial [LunarRay has much to say here] and moral fronts, [I like to throw in a bit of this and some epistomology to keep the mason jar full] I'd consider the moral arena more daunting. Big business and the fiscal management of the government seem to be things far more maleable then say, effecting change on how Americans view religion's role in foreign policy.[Because the problems are daunting and solutions require flexibility, I hope you will allow me to pop in occassionally with my take on where and what kinds of vision will be required before any real solutions are found. The way I see it it is unexamined assumptions that run us aground and it's those I try to shake. I hope to get you to see that they can't be easily shaken because they are unexamined amd unexamined in turn because we feel them to be necessary to our survival. They are a part of our core conformistic programming. Sorry if exposure to such thoughts makes you feel like a stupid sheep, but we all feel that way already. I just wake it up. ]

 

[CaptnKirk]

What a brilliant idea ! Since the 'War on Drugs' is a flop and phoney as hell,
now the Administration can just label each and every drug bust and drug
shipment that they do find as 'A possible link to al Queda' and make the
inference that all the drug money in the world is going to finance Terrorism.
Yep - Limbaugh helped to finance terrorism under this view.

 

[rickn]

nex time you buy some cipro, or alka-seltzer, this is the company that started it all

http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/profiles/bayer/bayer1.html

nice bunch of folks, wouldn't you say

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Drugs in and of themselves are terrorism. They are a threat to our society

i couldn't agree more, but i think that's exactly why we need more of them, not less.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: MAW1082
I think I have a tear caught in my eye. You ****ing people should go live in Singapore or something. How can we be free if we are not free to govern what enters and leaves our own body. USA = Freedom? ha

Execpt when you and I belong to the same insurance company and the sh!t you snort up your nose causes you to have a heart attack.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perhaps the title of this thread should have been "Cannabis ban creates business opportunities for terrorists and organized crime." It all goes along with that Capitalist free-market phenomenon- where there is demand, somebody will step up to provide the supply...

Just our little way of making sure that the bad guys get their share of the pie, remain a convenient threat, provide a target for political fearmongering. Hey, don't kid yourselves, fear sells...

 

[tweakmm]

I'd just like to ask for a moment of silence for the 2 tons of hashish

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
I'd just like to ask for a moment of silence for the 2 tons of hashish

Yeah, not only was it held hostage by a bunch of turrurists demanding money in exchange it - It's now going to rot away in some holding cell.

Poor poor hashish.



CkG

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
I'd just like to ask for a moment of silence for the 2 tons of hashish

Nah, it was just going to be burned anyway.