Now, this guy knows what he is talking about.
I swear, nearly every time I see something about steroids in the media, the writer seems to just make stuff up when describing the steroids or their properties.
Now, this guy knows what he is talking about.
I swear, nearly every time I see something about steroids in the media, the writer seems to just make stuff up when describing the steroids or their properties.
SP33Demon
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If someone was on a heavy cycle and only ate Fried chicken (and obviously did their normal workouts), they would undoubtedly get big. I'm a powerlifter and I know a juicer (injects Winstrol and God knows what else he is stacking) at the gym who did this. After lifting, he eats KFC or Popeyes FRIED chicken breasts. The guy is a freaking tank, and shredded. He does absolutely no cardio but his lifts are incredible. Steroids undoubtedly increase testosterone levels and production in the body, are you fcking stupid? Andro alone increases testosterone in the body by 30-40% (read the above link to the study), and that's not even including your normal increased production from working out. Stop posting.
SP33Demon
Lifer
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No sht it doesn't make your TESTICLES produce more... it raises your levels. Can you read? If you think that trenbAlone (it can be spelled either way dipsht) doesn't increase Bond's testosterone levels to more than 100% a normal man's, then give me some of the drugs you've been smoking.
Big deal I know a plenty of people who use gear.
No, you're stupid, or misinformed.
Steroids do not increase testosterone PRODUCTION in the body. If you understood the mechanisms at work you'd realize why your continued claims that they do are wrong.
You have little understanding of what you're trying to speak of, it makes it tougher to argue the points.
(Steroids actually decrease natural testosterone production when introduced due to the negative feedback loop that regulates testosterone production in men.)
Your original post implied someone could use AAS and then sit around and gain athletic ability even though all they do is eat KFC.
Untrue.
Even with "juice" your "powerlifter friend" still needs good genetics to stay lean eating all that KFC.
Many others would get fat no matter how much AAS they were using.
I agree with everything said here regarding steroids, however the impact of 17-AA's on the liver like dbol is often over-rated IMO
There must be a lot of people on steroids in OT because look at all the namecalling. It's roid rage on the forums in this thread. Fvck you..no fvckyou...can you kick my ass?....fvck you.
SP33Demon
Lifer
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Testosterone decanoate = testosterone + decanoate ester attached, i.e. a long ester. You're talking about DECA which is nandrolone + decanoate ester attached. Two totally different things. The Mexican beans referenced in their book is correct. A lot of people who claim the SI article is miswritten should do their homework first.
No I'm not, I said that testosterone deconoate would not be a fast-acting steroid. I know what nandrolone and "deca" are.
BTW, you REALLY need to do your homework.
Again, you remind me of someone who keeps saying "Well intel is faster because they operate at 3.4ghz and AMD only operates at 2.6"
Someone with a little bit of knowledge but not enough to be correct and it is obvious to anyone with any substantive amount of knowledge that you don't know what you're talking about.
BTW, you REALLY need to do your homework.
Again, you remind me of someone who keeps saying "Well intel is faster because they operate at 3.4ghz and AMD only operates at 2.6"
Someone with a little bit of knowledge but not enough to be correct and it is obvious to anyone with any substantive amount of knowledge that you don't know what you're talking about.
SP33Demon
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Ok, I reread what I posted and did write production, when I meant levels. I understand the principles quite fine, along with the negative feedback cycle (look at Caminiti before he died, he had to shoot up b/c his body completely shut down testosterone production b/c he abused so much).
My friend at the gym is only 19 and Winny is used for cutting so I can't see why that's hard to believe (teenage metabolism + winny). He turned fried chicken (not every meal though, he said he also ate regularly ate tuna for lunch) that he would eat at least 5 nights a week into solid gains (I drive home with him in separate cars and saw him stop at the Popeyes on the way). He originally started as a skinny shrimp who could rep on 135 (plate on each side) to 275, and his weight went from 170 to 210 over the span of 6 months. He would openly tell us he was juicing, and that Stanz was one of his drugs of choice but wouldn't elaborate any more than that.
it's a real shame that mcwire, sosa, bonds, and a host of others will be left virtually untouched by baseball for cheating and seriously putting into question the integrity of the game of baseball, whereas pete rose will serve a lifetime ban for doing the same basic thing.
So here's the kicker:
1) teenagers (or even guys in their 20s) shouldn't use gear . . .
2) most steroid users are probably guys in their late20s - early40s
Winny just does NOT make people big. Your buddy was stacking his winny with some testosterone. If his cycle was all oral it was probably winny and dbol (which is NOT testosterone) . . . breakfast of wimps that can't take a 21g in the buttocks.
Again, the Bonds story just doesn't sound right. If I were advising him, he would have started with a nice cycle of 10-12wks of Equipoise and Sustanon . . . even a bonehead like bonds couldn't mess that up. Kill the booby potential with Arimidex and hop the twins up with Clomid. Nice solid muscle gains (but not too much that it draws attention) . . . good for the joints too. Only probelm is that EQ is gonna flame up a urine sample for over a year. Then again, baseball's testing regime wasn't exactly IOC.
But as an old guy, I could see Bonds' rationale for being juiced all year. They play 162 games a year! Even for a lazy sport like baseball that's still a lot.
I assume you were not referring to me. I stated that it was a 15 day ester which is correct. And also that it is a slow release unlike Test Prop, which is quick has a 3 day half-life. And alot of people refer to mexican beans as fina pellets. Hes just throwing terms out there.
I do not think that what Rose did and what these guys did are comparable. Rose sold out his team and everyone who trusted him for his own personal ends. These guys are doing stuff to themselves to enahance their game. The only thing these two things have in common is that they are both illegal.
What is really disgusting is that these guys will will keep their records and any upcoming kid will find it nigh on impossible to achieve the same honestly.
SP33Demon
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Must have missed your post Bali. I'll respond to a few of them.
1) It doesn't specifiy what timeframe, between 98-03, Bonds took orals and/or when he was injecting. He most likely started out oral and then graduated to injections.
2) Nowhere did they classify the 3 week cycle as "heavy". You also don't know the doses of THG/Cream/Clomid that he took so that is inconclusive.
4) I doubt he was just on Winny after 100 days, it only says he was started on it. That doesn't mean that after 100 days, he was still only on Winny. Anderson probably stacked more as he progressed.
5) Wrong, 1998 wasn't his first year. From the article: Through 1998, for instance, when he turned 34, Bonds averaged one home run every 16.1 at bats. Since then -- what the authors identify as the start of his doping regimen -- Bonds has hit home runs nearly twice as frequently (one every 8.5 at bats). 1999 was his first year of stats you have to look at. The results? 34 Homeruns in almost 200 AB's less than 1998.
6) You got that Deca was a "lazy man's drug" out of this sentence? The book said Anderson and Bonds subsequently tweaked the program, adding such drugs as the steroid Deca-Durabolin and growth hormone, which allowed Bonds to retain his energy and physique without rigorous training. I translated it as: start Deca, work out less, maintain current size. It never said he was sitting around, and not working out at all.
7) HGH is used for joints in order to prevent injury so you can support freakishly large amounts of mass. So yeah, you can get huge on it in conjunction with anabolics. If steroids are the cement of body construction, then human growth hormone is the rebar, taken in an attempt to strengthen joints so they can hold the added muscle mass produced by steroids. Human growth hormone can be detected only in specific blood tests, not the standard urine test used for other performance-enhancing drugs. It is prescribed to treat dwarfism in children, but it can also change a mature person's body structure and facial characteristics. Players joke about the swollen heads, protruding brows and lantern jaws of hGH users.
8) The article isn't detailing exactly what he got and when. The book will. I would think that Anderson would have paired testosterone with Winny in 1999, especially since most of his clients used the Cream (testosterone) paired with THG. Anderson was a pro and knew what he was doing, just look at Bond's numbers for 99.
9) Not sure which heavy cycles you're implying... if you're talking about the 3 week ones, scroll back up to 2.
10) Don't know much about the drug. I do know that it is also used for moods and ADHD, maybe Bonds was having trouble focusing or thought it would increase his mood, things that a normal OTC stimulant can't do.
11) Do you think Bonds was all that concerned about getting caught in 99? Do you know what the testing policy in MLB was like then? Even if he was caught, it would never have been publisized. The fact that the "Clear" was undetectable was just a bonus for ballplayers, getting caught wasn't really a concern back then.
12) Yes, and Brady Anderson hit 16, 50, 18, and 18 homeruns. What's the point? That Bond's 73 was just a "coincidence"? Look at AB/HR for when Bonds was allegedly doing roids, starting with 1999.
1999: 10.44
2000: 9.79
2001: 6.52
2002: 8.76
2003: 8.67
2004: 8.28
His best AB/HR ratio in 11 years before his roid years (didn't include his rookie year so 1987 to 1998)?
1994: 10.56
1993: 11.71
1996: 12.30
Overall average from 1987 to 1998: a HR every 15.71 at bats. So at 34.5 years old (1999) to the present he has had a significantly better HR/AB ratio than the first 11 years of his career. Believable?
yeah that would be sustanon... and BTW I got most of my steroid knowledge from my fathers business, which happens to be boarding race horses.
SP33Demon
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Yeah, probably better off w/out Bold b/c of detectability... but MLB? Testing? lol
Still never found out what the kid was taking... but we definitely didn't agree with it because he was so young. Most of us are proud naturals so it was painfully obvious by the kid's gains, paired with the fact that he knew nada about lifting 6 months ago. Discovering he was on Winny was just affirming our beliefs.
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the yankees have a bigger payroll than any 2 nfl teams, iirc.
the astros were in the top 1/3rd with about $85 million in payroll, much of that jeff bagwell and roger clemens' salaries. bagwell was ~$20 million last year, and i think is owed even more this year.
anyway, proof is merely the evidence that convinces that what the evidence shows is true. and the level it takes to convince is different for everyone, so proof is a subjective term and isn't worth fighting over.
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knowing how unathletic baseball players tend to be compared to NBA and football players, that could be believable. but it would require serious time in the gym. we all know the rocket does this, and look at what that guy can do. arguably he was better for the first 100 games of last season than he had ever been over any other comparably long period in his career.
of course, bonds has already admitted to using the cream and the clear. why people still deny that he used them i can't understand. bonds claims to have not known he was using steroids, that he thought he was merely using flaxseed oil for massages or something.
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