Proof : ATI?s X800 Tri is much better than NV?s 6800 Bri.

[Blastman]

This shot pretty well says it all ?. extremetech mipmaps on nv 6800 Bri
It?s easy to spot the Brilinear on the 6800. It?s amazing hardware sites are benchmarking the NV 6800 with this type of lowered IQ garbage. ATI's adative-Trlinear is much better.

l

In this close-up of the floor at 4X magnification, we can see what the filtering looks like on the GeForce 6800 Ultra (with and without trilinear optimizations) and on the Radeon X800 XT. ............. ... ... ATI's texture filtering is noticeably better.

From someone that has both a X800 and 6800 ?

l? originally posted by Ante P

? I have both boards and personally I can spot the "brilinear" on nVidias boards while I can't on ATis. ?

Xbit? posted some black/white mipmaps -- where the ATI adaptive-Tri works -- on application-setting (full-Trilinear on X800) and compared it to the 6800. It?s easy to spot the NV Brilinear even on the 60.72 which are likely much better than the later drivers -- which likely have improved performance likely at the expense of filtering quality.

Take a look at the shots marked APP on the X800 like ?

X800 ANIS 4 APP, 30 d.
X800 ANIS 8 APP, 30 d.
X800 ANIS 16 APP, 30 d.

And you can see the mipmap transitions on the X800 are much better than the NV-Brilinear. The X800 Tri is very close to the Tri of the 9800 although it?s difficult to compare in some shots because the mipmaps are pushed back farther on the X800.

 

[vshah]

blah blah blah

thanks

 

[Bar81]

This is such OLD news. Stop overdramaticizing the whole played out affair. Save it for another forum fanboy.

 

[Nebor]

The vast majority of people out there can't tell you what Anisotrophic filtering is. I know I can't see a difference in games. Anti-aliasing is far more noticable, I don't need a side by side comparison to see that an edge isn't straight.

As long as it isn't horribly mauling textures, no one cares except the fanboys.

 

[ikickpigeons]

the opt off and on shots look the same...

 

[ChkSix]

I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

 

[ikickpigeons]

Originally posted by: ChkSix
I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

what he said

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: ikickpigeons
the opt off and on shots look the same...

NV disabled the tri-disabler on drivers like the 61.11 so it coudn't be turned off.

 

[ikickpigeons]

didnt hear that

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: Blastman
This shot pretty well says it all ?. extremetech mipmaps on nv 6800 Bri
It?s easy to spot the Brilinear on the 6800. It?s amazing hardware sites are benchmarking the NV 6800 with this type of lowered IQ garbage. ATI's adative-Trlinear is much better.

l

In this close-up of the floor at 4X magnification, we can see what the filtering looks like on the GeForce 6800 Ultra (with and without trilinear optimizations) and on the Radeon X800 XT. ............. ... ... ATI's texture filtering is noticeably better.

From someone that has both a X800 and 6800 ?

l? originally posted by Ante P

? I have both boards and personally I can spot the "brilinear" on nVidias boards while I can't on ATis. ?

Xbit? posted some black/white mipmaps -- where the ATI adaptive-Tri works -- on application-setting (full-Trilinear on X800) and compared it to the 6800. It?s easy to spot the NV Brilinear even on the 60.72 which are likely much better than the later drivers -- which likely have improved performance likely at the expense of filtering quality.

Take a look at the shots marked APP on the X800 like ?

X800 ANIS 4 APP, 30 d.
X800 ANIS 8 APP, 30 d.
X800 ANIS 16 APP, 30 d.

And you can see the mipmap transitions on the X800 are much better than the NV-Brilinear. The X800 Tri is very close to the Tri of the 9800 although it?s difficult to compare in some shots because the mipmaps are pushed back farther on the X800.

***Yawn***

 

[Blastman]

I guess the NV fanboys are in denial again that NV is lowering IQ for better benchmarks. If you like NV 6800?s over the X800 you?re going to end up with lower IQ again.

You can spot the lowered AF filtering and NV Brilinear in Aquamark too ?

nvnews.net/images/aquamark3/frame_3500/6800u_60.72_0xaa_8xaf

nvnews.net/images/aquamark3/frame_3500/x800pro_4.5_0xaa_8xaf

On the gray-green flat surface to the right of the turret it?s easy to spot that the 6800 is doing less filtering. You can spot the Brilinear mipmap too. So, I hardly think Painkiller is an isolated case. NV is hacking down IQ on Aquamark for better scores too.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Blastman
I guess the NV fanboys are in denial again that NV is lowering IQ for better benchmarks. If you like NV 6800?s over the X800 you?re going to end up with lower IQ again.

You can spot the lowered AF filtering and NV Brilinear in Aquamark too ?

nvnews.net/images/aquamark3/frame_3500/6800u_60.72_0xaa_8xaf

nvnews.net/images/aquamark3/frame_3500/x800pro_4.5_0xaa_8xaf

On the gray-green flat surface to the right of the turret it?s easy to spot that the 6800 is doing less filtering. You can spot the Brilinear mipmap too. So, I hardly think Painkiller is an isolated case. NV is hacking down IQ on Aquamark for better scores too.

Without looking at those SIDE BY SIDE there is no way to tell a difference. That is a useless point. Get over it.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ikickpigeons

Originally posted by: ChkSix
I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

what he said

Sorry to call you both out, guys, but if you're calling a piece of hardware that performs nearly IDENTICALLY to the comparable nVidia stuff GARBAGE then you are both obviously fanboys. The X800's actually perform BETTER than the 6800's in many situations.

I agree that the 6800 series is overall better, but it's such a close call that to call X800 "garbage" shows bias and a lack of objectivity.

 

[Rage187]

Blastman, just admit for once that Ati lost this round, and get over it.


From your own link

"First, enabling or disabling the trilinear optimization has no real visible impact on visual quality on the GeForce 6800 cards. The difference is certainly not something you can see with the naked eye, even looking at a still screenshot under magnification."


Edit: NM I see your a Canuck, and are only trying to protect national pride.

BTW Your beer and hockey sucks. How the hell can your team get beat by a team from a state that never gets any snow???

 

[gururu]

should i uninstall my nvidia drivers before installing my ati card?


j/k

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Bar81
This is such OLD news. Stop overdramaticizing the whole played out affair. Save it for another forum fanboy.

like your overdramatizing a couple fps advantage for the GT? the ole "pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind...

however, to the OP, it rather depends on the game and/or the type of textures being used.. the ati "trylinear" is an eyesore in DAoC in some areas, and easily spotted, especially when moving... i previously posted a screenshot as an example in an earlier thread, when we hashed this out the first go-round.

 

[ChkSix]

Denial? Dude you really must be smoking something. First you post an article that shows only a difference in Painkiller where ATi has any advantage (and there were at least 4 others testes that show no difference at all), than you ignore the IQ favoring Nvidia on Toms and Firingsquad totally.

I'm a fan boy? Comments like that show true one way childsh thinking. I own both 9800pro and 5950 Ultra, and to be honest with you I would have bought from both again, but not this time. However, the R420 is a POS is my opinion, needs a 3 pound copper heatsink to keep it cool (yet still runs at 70-80c), needs an adaptive trilinear algorithm to stay competive with Nvidia, and on top of it adds sixteen pipes andan overlocked core to the already aging R300 (been around since the 9700..HELLO!) to which they have the audacity to charge people 400-500 for.

Would you like me to post the articles that PROVE Nvidia now has the upper hand in IQ? Let me know, I will. But in the meantime, look at this.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_performance_and_overclocking/page3.asp

http://www.ixbt-labs.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-2.html

Or if you really want to see how big of a POS they are, look at this:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=8c980200390abbeb11e6558266080a44&threadid=33765609

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74346&page=17&pp=15 (7th post down)

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: ChkSix
I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

why exactly is the X800 pro garbage?

i agree the GT is faster but that doesnt make the X800 garbage

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: ChkSix
I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Bar81
This is such OLD news. Stop overdramaticizing the whole played out affair. Save it for another forum fanboy.

LOL

Another thing to consider would be you can turn off nVidia optimizations in the drivers, unlike ATI, who says "You'll take our hacked filtering and like it!"

 

[ChkSix]

look at some links i provided above for more answers. people are already having serious issues getting them to work right out of the box..if at all.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ikickpigeons

Originally posted by: ChkSix
I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

what he said

Sorry to call you both out, guys, but if you're calling a piece of hardware that performs nearly IDENTICALLY to the comparable nVidia stuff GARBAGE then you are both obviously fanboys. The X800's actually perform BETTER than the 6800's in many situations.

I agree that the 6800 series is overall better, but it's such a close call that to call X800 "garbage" shows bias and a lack of objectivity.

exaclty.. and they are so close the results differ from driver to driver (this is the first driver where nv has arguably "won").. don't be surprised if ati edges out nv again - and so on and so forth as i expect both sides to show improvements in future drivers.

from living with my PRO, it's a great card. from reading previews/reviews the GT is shaping up to be a nice card as well, but frankly they are close, but i'll wait till i get my GT before i make any harsh proclimations.

 

[Rage187]

LOL follow Blastman's own links, he pretty much proves my point that Nv has no loss of IQ when using OP's.


/cheers

 

[ChkSix]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ikickpigeons

Originally posted by: ChkSix
I saw that article. The only place that is true is in painkiller...no difference anywhere else or in any other game whatsoever.

In my own opinion, the X800 line is garbage and has nothing going for it down the road. I would have bought an X800pro, but seeing that with early drivers the 6800GT stomps it, the GT will be in my second comp with the Ultra in the main.

Nuff said.

what he said

Sorry to call you both out, guys, but if you're calling a piece of hardware that performs nearly IDENTICALLY to the comparable nVidia stuff GARBAGE then you are both obviously fanboys. The X800's actually perform BETTER than the 6800's in many situations.

I agree that the 6800 series is overall better, but it's such a close call that to call X800 "garbage" shows bias and a lack of objectivity.

I guessed you missed where I said "my own opinion", which I am more than entitled to. I used that term specifically so that no one would think I am trying to force my own point of view onto anyone else.

I was objective early on when the cards were initially released, but as more news becomes available (a lot of bad as well from different forums from owners who actually bought the r420), I think forming an objective opinion does not show a bias, but in fact is the intelligent thing to do.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Bar81
This is such OLD news. Stop overdramaticizing the whole played out affair. Save it for another forum fanboy.

like your overdramatizing a couple fps advantage for the GT? the ole "pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind...

however, to the OP, it rather depends on the game and/or the type of textures being used.. the ati "trylinear" is an eyesore in DAoC in some areas, and easily spotted, especially when moving... i previously posted a screenshot as an example in an earlier thread, when we hashed this out the first go-round.

Shut up b*tch. Stop making sh*t up. You're such a drama queen yourself.

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