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RedCOMET

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I need help trying to get information on some Data Projectors. I was tasked with the job of exploring different projector options for my Fraternity. Somebody else was tasked with the job of looking at the different HDTV technologies.

So ATOT, I need help looking for a projector that Supports HDTV, and must have different types of input ports on it. The price range is around $1,500 to $2,500.

It woudl be used for movies, maybe some games, and of course be used as a data projector for meetings, etc. Another concern of mine is how much do replacement bulbs cost and how much of a life span to the bulbs have.

I just need a place to start looking, or some tried and true models that might fit my needs.

Thanks
 

mrrman

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This is the one I plan on getting....Sanyo PLV-Z4 HDTV Projector The reviews are great on it and its about $1500 new on Ebay. That lamps last 2000-3000 hours and cost $300-$450 each. I currently have the Infocus 4805 which I will be selling.
 

jammur21

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First an introduction to basic projector knowledge and my opinions

The two main types of technology are LCD based and DLP based projectors. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Historically LCD projectors have been less expensive than DLP, but that has began to change in the last three months.

DLP generally gives off a better picture. LCDs cannot make a true black color on the screen. LCDs also tend to show the LCD grid pattern on the projected picture. Some LCDs also suffer from a motion blur effect. Basically in your price range, I would not consider ANY LCD other than a Pannasonic model. The Pannasonic 900 and new X1000 have done an amazing job overcoming these weaknesses and are at near DLP quality. The Panny 900 is the world's best selling projector, it is a fantastic projector with universal praise in every review I've read, that has been recently replaced by the x1000.

LCD is much more flexible and newbie friendly. DLP technology at your price range makes a few cost cutting decisions that have to be considered.
DLP tends to run a little warmer and louder than LCDs. Stick with the DLPs that I mention below and you will be fine.

Some people are prone to seeing DLP rainbows. They will see flashes of red,blue,green while looking at the picture. For some people its invisible, for others annoying, and for a few its painful. There is no way to know if you will see rainbows or not. The only solution is to buy a projector with a faster DLP wheel. The projectors below are all 4x speed wheels - very good but not great. I can still see rainbows if I blink and move my eyes - its distracting sometimes but not a big deal.

Finally DLPs have a fixed offset. The projected beam leaves the unit at an angle, and sometimes an extreme angle. WIth a shallower angle (Infocus IN76), you have more flexibility in mounting it on an end table or a bookself behind the sofa. With a steeper angle (Mitsu, Optoma) you have to put it on a low coffee table or on a ceiling mount. The steeper angle projectors in a room with low ceilings will limit the size of your potential screen image. You can use digital keystoning to help fix this, but at higher settings it will begin to distort the image.

LCDs do not have these problems because they have a little knob that you can adjust where the image goes regardless of where the unit is placed. They also offer superior zooming (2x) so you can make a much larger picture in a small room than you would be able to with a DLP projector and its limited Zoom (1.3)
Recently Discontinued 720p DLP deals
Mitsubishi HD1000 - Former budget king at $1500, missing auto-iris of HD3000 but almost as good as HD3000U
Mitsubishi HD3000 - Recent price drop to $1500, on par with the $2k Infocus IN76 and $2k Optoma HD72. Steep offset. I bought this one

Recently Discontinued 720p LCD deals
Panasonic ae900 - ~$1500 after rebates, worlds best selling projector - but I would recommend not getting this, its replacement is twice as bright (according to specs).

Current 720p DLP
Infocus IN76 - $2k, shallowest offset of the DLPs I've talked about. Most accurate colors out of the box. Upgradable firmware over internet
Optoma HD72 - $2k, steep offset, 10% brighter than competitors, a little louder too.

Recently Introduced 720p DLP
Optoma HD70 - $999 The new budget King - Breakthrough pricing, slightly striped down version of the HD70 - Recommended
Mitsubishi HD1100 - This year's version of the HD1000
Mitsubishi HD3100 - This year's version of the HD3000 - adds next generation DLP chip
OPtoma HD6800 - Costco version of the highly rated Optoma HD72 + costco return policy if something is wrong with it

Recently introduced 720p LCD
Pannasonic Ax1000 - This year's version of the 900 - twice as bright - Recommended

Have fun
Everything you ever wanted to know about projectors
 

indd

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Projector Central is one of the best sources for projector info I've found. It has a wizard to help you to select projectors based on many different features. http://www.projectorcentral.com -- and as mentioned above avsforum.com is a very good source for HDTV and projectors.

We use the NEC LT380 mentioned above at work, and it's been good. It has a lot of cool features too you may be able to use, like getting a 802.11 card to shoot images to it wirelessly. The LT280 is good as well, a bit less bright though.

I personally can't stand DLP's. We have a ton at work, and I see rainbows pretty bad. They're Dells though, so that's probably why. NEC DLP's that I've seen (and other more respectable manu's) have better quality so the rainbowing isn't as bad.

Remember too with projectors the other costs. You'll want a screen which will be another few hundred dollars. If you need it mounted permanently you'll need the mounting hardware. In addition you'll want to keep in mind cabling costs for pmernant installs. Bulbs are generally rated from 1500-2000 hours. More in "eco-mode" (less brightness from the lamps). They cost anywhere from $200-$500.


 

RedCOMET

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How much extra for mouting hardware and cables? For my needs, the projector would be mounted from the ceiling.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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There are a lot of nice screenshot pics out there, but I took some from my Panasonic AE900U if you want to take a look.
https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/spmclaughlin/web/3%20Projector/AE900U/

For the screen, a white wall would work, but you can also make a DIY screen if budget is tight. I made a 102" screen for under $50. (wooden frame + braces + blackout cloth + mounting hardware) I haven't bought black velvet to make my border around it yet, but that's next on my list.

I have yet to live in a place where I can drill into the ceiling, so I don't know much about mounts. I have mine on a shelving unit about 4.5 feet off the ground behind the seating.

For cables, you don't have to spend a whole lot. It's going to depend a lot on the length to your sources. Monoprice and Cablesforless are a couple of good places for affordable cables.
 

Excelsior

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Dude, Jello, you need to put some felt or something on top of your center so it doesn't reflect like it does.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Dude, Jello, you need to put some felt or something on top of your center so it doesn't reflect like it does.

I was taking those from above the viewing area so it was reflecting more. It's much less of an issue from the seating angle.

Plus right now I have an Axiom VP150 on top of it :p

pic for fun
 

RedCOMET

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Thanks for all the great info. I didn't realize there was so much invovled with projectors.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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How dark is your room btw? That's probably the most important thing to consider before doing a projector.

How about seating distance?

Some other dumb stuff -
Projectors generally are like monitors only meaning no built in sound or tuners etc., so in case you didn't consider that, you'll need to add sound and tuners / sources.
 

RedCOMET

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How dark is your room btw? That's probably the most important thing to consider before doing a projector.

How about seating distance?

Some other dumb stuff -
Projectors generally are like monitors only meaning no built in sound or tuners etc., so in case you didn't consider that, you'll need to add sound and tuners / sources.


Tuner source will probably be a digital cable box. Audio will be handled by surround sound system. Darkness of the room leave much to be desired during the day time but is fairly good at night.

Seating distance and throw distance is something I will address tonight when i meet up with my friends.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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How many windows are there?

Cardboard rectangles put into the windows is a really cheap way to get good results. We've moved up to room darkening curtains since then.
 

indd

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Projector mounting will probably be around $250-350. http://www.mountsandmore.com/ has a lot of mounting gear. We use Chief brand. You'll also have to get parts to mount it to the ceiling. They make kits for drop-ceiling, or mounts to attach into ceiling joists.

Projector mount - we use the Chief RPA-U series at work:
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Projector-Ceiling-Mounts-C13810.html

Ceiling mount gear:
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Ceiling-Adapters-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5761.html
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Ceiling-Plates-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5760.html

The projector and ceiling mount stuff are attached using extension columns, also available on the same site.
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Extension-...essories-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5766.html

Also definitely remember the cost of bulbs in all of this. 10 hours a day (ie movies, TV, games) = 200 days total. So that's $300-500 every 200 days. And I'd reckon the projector could get used much more than that even. If you don't need the 51"+ diagonal, I'd go with a projection TV. There's bulbs in those but they last much longer.

Definitely get something to darken the rooms, or you'll have wasted a lot of $$. You'll get very washed out pictures in daytime.

 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: indd
Projector mounting will probably be around $250-350. http://www.mountsandmore.com/ has a lot of mounting gear. We use Chief brand. You'll also have to get parts to mount it to the ceiling. They make kits for drop-ceiling, or mounts to attach into ceiling joists.

Projector mount - we use the Chief RPA-U series at work:
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Projector-Ceiling-Mounts-C13810.html

Ceiling mount gear:
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Ceiling-Adapters-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5761.html
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Ceiling-Plates-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5760.html

The projector and ceiling mount stuff are attached using extension columns, also available on the same site.
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Extension-...essories-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5766.html

Also definitely remember the cost of bulbs in all of this. 10 hours a day (ie movies, TV, games) = 200 days total. So that's $300-500 every 200 days. And I'd reckon the projector could get used much more than that even. If you don't need the 51"+ diagonal, I'd go with a projection TV. There's bulbs in those but they last much longer.

Definitely get something to darken the rooms, or you'll have wasted a lot of $$. You'll get very washed out pictures in daytime.

That and with a projection TV you can get 1080p at a pretty reasonable price, considering...
 

RedCOMET

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: indd
Projector mounting will probably be around $250-350. http://www.mountsandmore.com/ has a lot of mounting gear. We use Chief brand. You'll also have to get parts to mount it to the ceiling. They make kits for drop-ceiling, or mounts to attach into ceiling joists.

Projector mount - we use the Chief RPA-U series at work:
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Projector-Ceiling-Mounts-C13810.html

Ceiling mount gear:
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Ceiling-Adapters-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5761.html
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Ceiling-Plates-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5760.html

The projector and ceiling mount stuff are attached using extension columns, also available on the same site.
http://www.mountsandmore.com/Extension-...essories-l323-c13813-A2636%7E5766.html

Also definitely remember the cost of bulbs in all of this. 10 hours a day (ie movies, TV, games) = 200 days total. So that's $300-500 every 200 days. And I'd reckon the projector could get used much more than that even. If you don't need the 51"+ diagonal, I'd go with a projection TV. There's bulbs in those but they last much longer.

Definitely get something to darken the rooms, or you'll have wasted a lot of $$. You'll get very washed out pictures in daytime.

That and with a projection TV you can get 1080p at a pretty reasonable price, considering...

With all the info you are guys are providing, I think a projection TV will my needs better.

Thanks for all your help and input.