hanoverphist
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- Dec 7, 2006
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Using bee-flight in Arizona around Mesa is stupid with the fucking Loop you have. The traffic in Mesa and around phoenix is ridiculous though both on the highway and city.
A K. Hovnanian office I setup and decommissioned was there. I think the road was Stapley. There was an In and Out there and an Office Depot/Staples across the street in a little plaza.
Most of my same aged cousins left Chicago a few years ago to live there. There is a nice night life. I had a lot of great conversations there which made for 'eating alone' pretty fun.
i agree. when the loop makes sense, at least. as it is, to get on the loops it takes longer than to just drive through the city streets. traffic on the 60 pretty much stops in west mesa, and doesnt get much better until phoenix. hen my destinations are near the freeways i generally take them, but sometimes your start/ stop points are so far out from those loops that it doesnt make sense at all to take them
when that walmart went in over by that in n out, the traffic tripled on stapely. for no real reason.