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Project Denver info [BSN RUMORS]

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http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...ver-is-an-8-core-arm2c-256-cuda-core-apu.aspx

Short interesting read on what route Nvidia is taking (if true) regarding project Denver. 8 CPU cores, 256 cuda cores, and the chip will use more GPU like interconnect technologies than the typical CPU L1, L2, L3 cache design to provide the necessary bandwidth. The article says Nvidia expects the first tape out of Denver at the end of this year, and Wayne (Tegra4) is expecting to tape out in a few weeks.
 
Tegra 4 😀

Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung. Get your R&D departments moving if you want to stay in the game.

Denver looks promising if this article is true. If it comes out about the time Windows 8 debuts. They could make inroads into the laptop market big time.
 
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This story is relative to the OP.
Good Priced Laptops to Arrive When Windows 8 Merges with Nvidia

I read about this prediction, not sure how this can be predicted. But interesting.
Wilkins added that this situation will start to come out as the deliveries of ARM microprocessors will start to increase until it will reach around 23 percent of all laptops by 2015.
The ARM microprocessors will run systems other than the Chrome OS of Google Inc (NASDAQ:GOOG) or the Linux OS. A good part of these laptops will be using the Windows 8 OS.
With the launch of an ARM-based system utilizing the Windows 8 OS in the coming year, Wilkins indicated that around 23 percent of the worldwide laptop market by 2015 will be taken by ARM-based systems, which is much higher than the 3 percent for 2012.
Around 74 million ARM laptops will be delivered by 2015 with a good number of the products using the Windows 8 OS. This is much higher than the projected deliveries for the devices running Windows 8 at below eight million for 2012
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^ That article was hard to read. Was that translated or is that not an English first site? Anyway cool to hear I want to see what these companies can do for a Windows 8 slate or slim laptop.
 
I wouldn't expect Project Denver any earlier than October 2012 when Windows 8 releases and even then I would be hesitant to purchase new. I'd rather see how stable the new Windows platform on ARM architecture is with all of the new device drivers that will be required.

Microsoft dropped support for Itanium a few years back and hasn't supported a different architecture than x86 since the ALPHA chips in the late 90's. Except for maybe Windows CE on embedded processors Sega Dreamcast (Hitachi SH-4) which has all but disappeared in favor of Windows Mobile / Windows Phone.
 
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I find this very interesting. If ARM becomes somewhat prevalent on devices running Windows, it would certainly give Nvidia a new market to expand into.
 
nenforcer said:
I wouldn't expect Project Denver any earlier than October 2012 when Windows 8 releases and even then I would be hesitant to purchase new. I'd rather see how stable the new Windows platform on ARM architecture is with all of the new device drivers that will be required.

Microsoft dropped support for Itanium a few years back and hasn't supported a different architecture than x86 since the ALPHA chips in the late 90's. Except for maybe Windows CE on embedded processors Sega Dreamcast (Hitachi SH-4) which has all but disappeared in favor of Windows Mobile / Windows Phone.
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ARM owns the phone and tablet market and it's starting to enter the laptop space. If Microsoft doesn't make a robust Windows operating system for ARM processors, they are essentially shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Genx87 said:
Tegra 4 😀

Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung. Get your R&D departments moving if you want to stay in the game.

Denver looks promising if this article is true. If it comes out about the time Windows 8 debuts. They could make inroads into the laptop market big time.
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They are definitely out-pacing the rest with fast entry of new chips. There isn't even any competition for tegra 3 - no other company is even thinking quad core till 28nm and are just doing the much easier job of bumping their dual cores a bit.

As for denver - don't see it being used for windows 8. It's real power is its cuda processors. If whatever you are trying to use that chip for doesn't make good use of cuda then all you have is a load of weak ARM cores and the other 90% of the silicon is mostly redundant. If all you need is some ARM cores and a bit of gpu then tegra 4 is what you'd use.
 
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nenforcer said:
I wouldn't expect Project Denver any earlier than October 2012 when Windows 8 releases and even then I would be hesitant to purchase new. I'd rather see how stable the new Windows platform on ARM architecture is with all of the new device drivers that will be required.

Microsoft dropped support for Itanium a few years back and hasn't supported a different architecture than x86 since the ALPHA chips in the late 90's. Except for maybe Windows CE on embedded processors Sega Dreamcast (Hitachi SH-4) which has all but disappeared in favor of Windows Mobile / Windows Phone.
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ARM and similar processors are quite different from Itanium or ALPHA though. M$ would be foolish to NOT support them, as they are rapidly approaching the "fast enough" level required for entry level laptops and, unlike linux, have a large/growing fanbase that is actually willing to pay for them. IMHO these new itty bitty cpus are a huge threat to intels profits long-term, 10 years from now they could end up being just a very large fab company that everybody uses for their gpus/cpus/etc. Maybe like NV now they could specialize in high-end/gaming rigs/etc where their poor integrated graphics won't hurt them.
 
bryanW1995 said:
ARM and similar processors are quite different from Itanium or ALPHA though. M$ would be foolish to NOT support them, as they are rapidly approaching the "fast enough" level required for entry level laptops and, unlike linux, have a large/growing fanbase that is actually willing to pay for them. IMHO these new itty bitty cpus are a huge threat to intels profits long-term, 10 years from now they could end up being just a very large fab company that everybody uses for their gpus/cpus/etc. Maybe like NV now they could specialize in high-end/gaming rigs/etc where their poor integrated graphics won't hurt them.
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+1

Microsoft wouldnt develop Win8 for ARM if they didnt believe there is a potential for that platform. Or at the very least allow them to combat Android's eventual entrance into low end laptops.

I think the biggest potential losers in an ARM based Win8 are AMD and Intel. As there will be a legtimate entry level hardware platform that can run a Microsoft operating system and applications. Something the x86 world has never seen. Alpha + Itanium and Power PC versions of NT and 2000 were for high end, low volume niche platforms. ARM is for the masses.
 
There is no doubt in my mind, the reaction from Microsoft announcing future ARM support/win 8, is why now we are seeing publicity slides from AMD, and the usual posturing. Standards etc. Get a team on board with Microsoft/Nvidia (?) and make some 'standards' then !
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