"Professor" compares trespassing and vandalism by A.L.F loons to the Tea Party

sandorski

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The 2 are comparable, both being a form of Protest by groups of Idealists. Perhaps freeing animals from Labs will never be accepted in the same way, but a comparison can be made.
 
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While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.
 

illustri

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animal research allows longer, healthier lives for all humans
even for those who'd seek to abolish it

/bastardization of a buddhist quote
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes
 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population







While I won't disagree with the term "loons" regarding ALF, there are alternatives:

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The bigger problem is the rush to get pharmaceuticals on the market.

Human testing, as it is commonly performed today is woefully inadequate.

Generally speaking, after any animal testing, the human testing is to learn:

A. Is it deadly poison?

B. Is it effective?


There is very little, if ANY testing done for long term problems.

In fact, it could be argued that in essence, after the drug is released to the public is when this third test begins



Vioxx, anyone?
 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population







While I won't disagree with the term "loons" regarding ALF, there are alternatives:

Text


The bigger problem is the rush to get pharmaceuticals on the market.

Human testing, as it is commonly performed today is woefully inadequate.

Generally speaking, after any animal testing, the human testing is to learn:

A. Is it deadly poison?

B. Is it effective?


There is very little, if ANY testing done for long term problems.

In fact, it could be argued that in essence, after the drug is released to the public is when this third test begins



Vioxx, anyone?

all of them are less effective than animal testing--unless you want to sign up to be a drug tester?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population





While I won't disagree with the term "loons" regarding ALF, there are alternatives:

Text


The bigger problem is the rush to get pharmaceuticals on the market.

Human testing, as it is commonly performed today is woefully inadequate.

Generally speaking, after any animal testing, the human testing is to learn:

A. Is it deadly poison?

B. Is it effective?


There is very little, if ANY testing done for long term problems.

In fact, it could be argued that in essence, after the drug is released to the public is when this third test begins



Vioxx, anyone?

Here is your only alternative.

1. Take people, let's say terrorists since they havent any legal protection, and test a drug for 50 years on them.

2. Let it onto the market

3. Profit!


Sound better?



 

KidViciou$

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population





While I won't disagree with the term "loons" regarding ALF, there are alternatives:

Text


The bigger problem is the rush to get pharmaceuticals on the market.

Human testing, as it is commonly performed today is woefully inadequate.

Generally speaking, after any animal testing, the human testing is to learn:

A. Is it deadly poison?

B. Is it effective?


There is very little, if ANY testing done for long term problems.

In fact, it could be argued that in essence, after the drug is released to the public is when this third test begins



Vioxx, anyone?

Here is your only alternative.

1. Take people, let's say terrorists since they havent any legal protection, and test a drug for 50 years on them.

2. Let it onto the market

3. Profit!


Sound better?

so when (or if) the nazis conducted the same experiements they conducted on concentration camp victims on communist russian soldiers, you would be okay with that?
 

halik

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in related news, the prefessor announced that he's officially changing his name to www2.goveg.com to increase awareness of the loadballanced peta mirror :roll:
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population





While I won't disagree with the term "loons" regarding ALF, there are alternatives:

Text


The bigger problem is the rush to get pharmaceuticals on the market.

Human testing, as it is commonly performed today is woefully inadequate.

Generally speaking, after any animal testing, the human testing is to learn:

A. Is it deadly poison?

B. Is it effective?


There is very little, if ANY testing done for long term problems.

In fact, it could be argued that in essence, after the drug is released to the public is when this third test begins



Vioxx, anyone?

Here is your only alternative.

1. Take people, let's say terrorists since they havent any legal protection, and test a drug for 50 years on them.

2. Let it onto the market

3. Profit!


Sound better?

so when (or if) the nazis conducted the same experiements they conducted on concentration camp victims on communist russian soldiers, you would be okay with that?

I said that was your alternative. Have long term tests on captive humans. I figure around this forum many would love to do it to terrorists or at least people accused of terrorism. Doesn't really matter if they are guilty, now does it?

Do I approve? Na, but I was responding with the reason animals are still used. The alternative is to wait decades and test on a captive human population.


 

AndrewR

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When I conduct Antiterrorism/Force Protection training, I always cite PETA/ALF/ELF as examples of domestic terrorists. I haven't had anyone complain yet, but I'm waiting. ;)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
When I conduct Antiterrorism/Force Protection training, I always cite PETA/ALF/ELF as examples of domestic terrorists. I haven't had anyone complain yet, but I'm waiting. ;)
When you do that how do you expect anybody to take that training seriously?

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: aceofspades230
While letting animals go free so they can all be run over by buses is a bad idea, i don't like the thought of animals being treated inhumanely either.



then throw away your soap and shoes

and dont take modern medicine--all drugs are tested on one form of animal before entering the human population





While I won't disagree with the term "loons" regarding ALF, there are alternatives:

Text


The bigger problem is the rush to get pharmaceuticals on the market.

Human testing, as it is commonly performed today is woefully inadequate.

Generally speaking, after any animal testing, the human testing is to learn:

A. Is it deadly poison?

B. Is it effective?


There is very little, if ANY testing done for long term problems.

In fact, it could be argued that in essence, after the drug is released to the public is when this third test begins



Vioxx, anyone?

Here is your only alternative.

1. Take people, let's say terrorists since they havent any legal protection, and test a drug for 50 years on them.

2. Let it onto the market

3. Profit!


Sound better?

so when (or if) the nazis conducted the same experiements they conducted on concentration camp victims on communist russian soldiers, you would be okay with that?

I said that was your alternative. Have long term tests on captive humans. I figure around this forum many would love to do it to terrorists or at least people accused of terrorism. Doesn't really matter if they are guilty, now does it?

Do I approve? Na, but I was responding with the reason animals are still used. The alternative is to wait decades and test on a captive human population.



hold on here...

That was not me who posted the nazi comment.


I pointed out that I agree that ALF is rightly termed "loons".



I made no statement disapproving of animal testing, I simply posted a link to a more authoritive source than ALF regarding alternatives that are being considered.


My point about the lack of "real world" testing was simply a statement of fact.


mm kay?


 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: AndrewR
When I conduct Antiterrorism/Force Protection training, I always cite PETA/ALF/ELF as examples of domestic terrorists. I haven't had anyone complain yet, but I'm waiting. ;)
When you do that how do you expect anybody to take that training seriously?

I think the crimes they commit are pretty serious. Arson, theft, tresspassing, destruction of property...

?

CsG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: AndrewR
When I conduct Antiterrorism/Force Protection training, I always cite PETA/ALF/ELF as examples of domestic terrorists. I haven't had anyone complain yet, but I'm waiting. ;)
When you do that how do you expect anybody to take that training seriously?

I think the crimes they commit are pretty serious. Arson, theft, tresspassing, destruction of property...

?

CsG
All crimes are serious and what they do should not be condoned but they are not a threat to our security.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: sandorski
The 2 are comparable, both being a form of Protest by groups of Idealists. Perhaps freeing animals from Labs will never be accepted in the same way, but a comparison can be made.

Right. And at the time of the Revolution it wasn't clear whether the tea party guys' ideas would be accepted. The right-wing sheeple simply can't understand that this country was founded by protestors and radicals who were not following the rules. Today's sheeple would have been yesterday's loyalists.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: sandorski
The 2 are comparable, both being a form of Protest by groups of Idealists. Perhaps freeing animals from Labs will never be accepted in the same way, but a comparison can be made.

Right. And at the time of the Revolution it wasn't clear whether the tea party guys' ideas would be accepted. The right-wing sheeple simply can't understand that this country was founded by protestors and radicals who were not following the rules. Today's sheeple would have been yesterday's loyalists.
Weren't the Loyalists in the Majority back then?

 

Train

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: sandorski
The 2 are comparable, both being a form of Protest by groups of Idealists. Perhaps freeing animals from Labs will never be accepted in the same way, but a comparison can be made.

Right. And at the time of the Revolution it wasn't clear whether the tea party guys' ideas would be accepted. The right-wing sheeple simply can't understand that this country was founded by protestors and radicals who were not following the rules. Today's sheeple would have been yesterday's loyalists.
you got it backwards, your socio-progressives-eco-nuts are the ones being tossed out, by us "protesters" of common sense.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: sandorski
The 2 are comparable, both being a form of Protest by groups of Idealists. Perhaps freeing animals from Labs will never be accepted in the same way, but a comparison can be made.

Right. And at the time of the Revolution it wasn't clear whether the tea party guys' ideas would be accepted. The right-wing sheeple simply can't understand that this country was founded by protestors and radicals who were not following the rules. Today's sheeple would have been yesterday's loyalists.
you got it backwards, your socio-progressives-eco-nuts are the ones being tossed out, by us "protesters" of common sense.

Ummm... no. You aren't even protesting. Again, the disobedient acts that run through these two beliefs (whether or not you agree with the more recent one) is what we're talking about. Let me know when you do an act of civil disobedience. I'm thinking you were a type that thought the war protestors should shut up and support the troops (i.e. "stop wasting time with the tea party and accept the crown.")
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: sandorski
The 2 are comparable, both being a form of Protest by groups of Idealists. Perhaps freeing animals from Labs will never be accepted in the same way, but a comparison can be made.

Right. And at the time of the Revolution it wasn't clear whether the tea party guys' ideas would be accepted. The right-wing sheeple simply can't understand that this country was founded by protestors and radicals who were not following the rules. Today's sheeple would have been yesterday's loyalists.
you got it backwards, your socio-progressives-eco-nuts are the ones being tossed out, by us "protesters" of common sense.

Ummm... no. You aren't even protesting. Again, the disobedient acts that run through these two beliefs (whether or not you agree with the more recent one) is what we're talking about. Let me know when you do an act of civil disobedience. I'm thinking you were a type that thought the war protestors should shut up and support the troops (i.e. "stop wasting time with the tea party and accept the crown.")
your still confused, dont confuse the tea partiers with the the protests from the crown after they no longer had control. I'm equating the latter to todays liberals.