Processor Fan choice

WildHorse

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Hi lurchbourke,

Like you, I also built a rig with an Athlon 3200+.

Your intended Komplett.ie source offers limited selection. Must you buy there? Prices there look high too. Suggest you shop around at some other sources.

Buy the way, the page you linked is not right for your 3200+; instead you'd want their Socket 939 page here.

Apparently you didn't receive the stock heatsink & fan combination that comes with the AMD Athlon RETAIL boxed cpu.

So you need (1) a fan, (2)heatsink, and (3) thermal paste to mount heatsink to cpu.
Sometimes all three can be bought packaged together for lower overall cost than a-la carte.

(1) fan :

The size fan is determined by what your particular cpu heatsink will accept.
Usually that will be 92 mm, or 120 mm diameter.
Suggest you not buy the heatsinks sized for 60mm or 80mm fans advertised on that site, due to questionable effectiveness & likely high noise.
Larger fans may be quieter, a good thing.

Cpu fan bearings usually are either sleeve or ball bearings. People argue which is superior. I use double ball bearing fans. (some chipset fans have magnetic flotation instead of physical bearings) Suggest you not make a big deal about expensive special fans.


(2) hs :
I happen to think the heatpipe style yields best cooling for the money, but Komplett.ie doesn't offer any choice.

Some heatsinks good for Socket 939, that you might shop around elsewhere for (since Komplett.ie doesn't offer these) are:

* Thermalright XP-90 Aluminum heatpipe unit (accepts 92mm fan). This is what I use on an overclocked rig, with a double ball bearing fan aimed to blow downward onto the cpu, & together with other things, it reduced my 3200+ under load temp from approx. 52 deg C to 38 deg C.

Note: XP-90 is sold in all copper and aluminum versions. Although counter-intuitive, test results show the lighter weight Al about as effective as the heavy Cu version of this. Also, XP-90 is sold both a la carte, and also in a package together with a good 92mm double bb fan & thermal paste.

As a benchmark for your shopping over there, in the US, the complete XP-90 aluminum + fan + thermal paste package is sold for USD $32, shipping included.

* Thermalright SI-120 (accepts 120 mm fan) = really big, gigantic actually, but that can be good if it overhangs your RAM (as on DFI lanparty Ultra D mobo) and blows a bit of air onto the ram too. Also, 120 mm fan might be quieter. But make sure you have room to fit this into your case.

In US, SI-120 a la carte sells for $43.

* Thermaltake Big Typhoon (comes with 120 mm fan) = It stands up very high above your cpu, so, make sure you have sufficient room. Quiet.

In US, sells for $50, incl. shipping.


Last Resort :

If you absolutely must buy from what Komplett.ie offers, although prices look too high, then suggest you take a real good look at these 3, although I don't have personal experience with any of them:

NorthQ 3314BL Giant UFO, 92mm Fan, ?32 (but real heavy)
Thermaltake Golden Orb II, ?29
Akasa EVO33 Super heatpipe Cooler, ?45 (but only 80mm fan, might be high noise)


(3) TIC (thermal interface compound) :

If not overclocking, then use the thermal paste included with the heatsink.

Otherwise, some good thermal paste for overclocked rigs are:
Arctic Silver 5 (what I use),
Artic Ceramique,
Shin Etsu,
etc.

Conclusion: My recommendation for 3200+ Winchester or Venice core is to seek out the package which includes Thermalright XP-90 Aluminum heatpipe unit + 92mm fan + thermal paste, for approx. USD $32. If you're overclocking, then throw away the thermal paste in that package & also buy a tube of Arctic Silver 5.
 

lurchbourke

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Scott i really appriciate you taking the time to give me all that info but the processor i have is an athlon xp 3200+ Barton it's not 64 bit.

I'm worried that it will be a probelm to get a fan cause i'm using a ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe mobo and if you look at a diagram there is a diamond shaped heatsink on a chip beside the processor that wouls be in the way of big fans and on the other side a little more then 5cm from the middle of the processor is the power supply i'm using a desktop case.

But as far as shoping around goes i'm an idiot, i'm open to suggests of where i could get a fan to fit and some good thermal paste.

Again thanks for the help
 

WildHorse

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Athlon xp 3200+ Barton ! I wouldn't have thought of that! Joke's on me!

Your AMD 3200+ Barton translates to what AMD called "generation 5" or K5 for short.

So what you're shopping for is a "K5" heatsink/fan combination.

As an example, you'll see several on this page. Just pick out the ones you like.

In particular note this one: Thermalright SI-97A Aluminum Heatpipe CPU Cooler, Sale price: $24.99.


(in addition to K7, K8, this is also for K5, = your Barton)
You scan switch to different brands (select in upper right area of page) & you'll see plenty more.

Good luck to you.
 

lurchbourke

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thanks for the reply

looks great but it won't fit in the space i have if it sits the way it does in the picture and if i used that heat sink would i need to cut a hole in my case for a case fan?

 

BonzaiDuck

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I found that board on display at Zipzoomfly's website.

Your Northbridge is no closer to the CPU socket than most other boards I've used or seen.

You could probably find the right heatpipe cooler among the ThermalRight models. You could even get an XP-90 or XP-90C for use with a 92mm fan like a Panalflo.

Shop here:
Heatsink Factory

and here (for both coolers and fans):

Sidewinder

I'm sure others have some tips about where to buy the products you need. Scott's remarks are "right-on," although I understand the copper version of the XP-90 has a thermal resistance that is maybe 0.05 C/W bettern than the aluminum version. That should be better, with the copper one. I have an aluminum XP-90 on a P4 3.06 Ghz processor, and it's just fine.

The larger models or models built for larger fans will reduce the noise a bit more. I'm pretty sure they're going to fit on your board, but check ThermalRight's web site for starters -- they have an extensive "compatibility list."
 

lurchbourke

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i understand what your saying but i'm buying for socket A so i can't get the XP-90 that's for socket 939 etc. and when they say i can use a 92mm fans does that mean i can get any 92mm fan. Does the fan fit onto the heatsink or do i have to cut holes in my case (i really don't wanna do that). which fan should i get specifically to use with the Thermalright SI-97A Aluminum.

any fan i get can't be much louder then a stock athlon xp 2200+ fan it sounds like a jet taxying.

thanks for the help
 

WildHorse

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That site BonzaiDuck pointed you to looks like an excellent source of information.
Thank you, BonzaiDuck I'll check there in future.

lurchbourke, unfortunately I still don't know if you're in the UK, as your link in the OP seemed to indicate, or in the US. I'll assume you're in the US.

Do This :
Place one order to buy these 3 items:
1. Thermalright SI-97A Aluminum Heatpipe CPU Cooler, in stock, on sale: $24.99. Text
2. Arctic Cooling 92x38mm Arctic Fan 9 34.8 CFM 23.5 dBA, in stock, $$6.99 Text
3. Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - 3.5 gram Tube, in stock, $5.99 Text (application instructions below)

Total: approx $39 + any tax, shipping

Discussion:

The Thermalright SI-97A Aluminum Heatpipe CPU Cooler is MADE FOR YOUR Barton 3200+ Socket A (AMD K5). Text

It's light weight, inexpensive, and effective as all get out.

- Multiple heatpipes for well spread heat around aluminum fins
- Enormous wingspan gives extra cooling to surrounding components
- Soldered fins to copper base (nickel plated) to make effective contact
- Light weight and easy installation
- Length 116 x Width 96 x Height 75 (mm) heatsink only, without fan.
With fan, height will be approximately 110 mm. (see *** below)
- Weight: 280g (heat sink only)


"and when they say i can use a 92mm fans does that mean i can get any 92mm fan."

Yes. that's right. There are lots of brands, that differ in their type of bearings, cfm (air movement) rating, and dBA (noise) rating, and type of connector. Their outside dimensions are standardized. In the 92mm diameter fan size, some are 32mm tall (thick) and some are 25mm tall.

"Does the fan fit onto the heatsink?"

Yes. You're right. Heatsink is designed to exactly hold the fan.
Your heatsink will come with clips or screws that'll hold your fan firmly in place.

Your heatsink may also include some type of elastomeric material (rubber-like stuff) that you put between the heatsink & the fan to cushion it, reducing vibration noise.


"would i need to cut a hole in my case for a case fan?"

No. I'd expect that your case already has a good intake fan at front of case, & a good exhaust at rear, which be sufficient, at least for starters. Later if temps too high, then consider more fans.

And, no, you don't cut a hole in your case for the cpu heatsink & fan either.

(***) Note that your fan nestles down into it's spot on your heatsink, such that the total overall combined height of the 2 components is a little less than the sum of their individual heights. Estimated total height is maybe 110 mm above surface of cpu.


EDIT: To apply your Arctic SIlver 5, follow these instructions!!!
 

bruceb

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Quick question:

Wouldn't yoiu be better off having the Fan Pull air Away from the CPU ? ?
After all Heat Rises ... Why blow hot air back Down ? ?
In most cases, I think they are designed so all air flow goes the same way.
In thru an Intake Vent / Screen & Out thru the case Fans
 

WildHorse

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Originally posted by: bruceb
Quick question:

Wouldn't you be better off having the Fan Pull air Away from the CPU ? ?
After all Heat Rises ... Why blow hot air back Down ? ?
In most cases, I think they are designed so all air flow goes the same way.
In thru an Intake Vent / Screen & Out thru the case Fans


It's your choice.

In my particular experience, which may be different from yours, I've tried it both ways while monitoring temperature, and find that cpu temp is a little cooler with fan bowing down onto it.

Right now my main rig is in a big Cooler Master Stacker case with 120 mm in/out fans + a blow hole exhaust fan out the top + Stacker's special side flow fan. Perhaps this configuration influences my results, while somebody else's different configuration may behave differently.

So my empirical results are that blowing down works better for me.
 

lurchbourke

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sorry i forgot to mention that i'm in ireland, i wouldn't mind ordering from the U.S. but the svc site doesn't deliver outside which sucks cause they have a really good deal, any other ideas?
 

WildHorse

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Originally posted by: lurchbourke
sorry i forgot to mention that i'm in ireland, i wouldn't mind ordering from the U.S. but the svc site doesn't deliver outside which sucks cause they have a really good deal, any other ideas?

a) Nope. You'll have to shop around for best deal you can find.

b) Suggest you use the manufacturers' web sites to look up authorized resellers near your location.

c) Doubt you'd actually suffer the height clearance problem which you'd feared, if you get something like that Thermalright SI-97A Aluminum Heatpipe CPU Cooler, which, again, is MADE FOR YOUR Barton 3200+ Socket A.
I use the similar XP-90 which does an amazingly effective job.

You could always select a 25mm thick fan instead of the 32mm. Take care that the fan you buy has the right kind of connector you need, whether 3 pin, 4 pin, etc.

Good luck to you in finding what you decide you want.

d) Go into your Anandtech Profile / Personal Options and turn your "Profile Visibility" to "ON" so we know where you're located. From time to time your location might affect recommendations people here give you, such as sources for things, etc.
 

WildHorse

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Originally posted by: lurchbourke

i promise this is the last time i'll annoy you thanks for your patience
That's what boards like this are for, so no need to feel hesitant about asking questions.
It's only too bad that more people didn't join into your thread here, to give you more viewpoints.

but i don't know anything about which fan to buy
Suggest you e-mail their Contacts / Customer Service and ask them to recommend a fan for your heatsink. While you're at it, also ask them to verify that the heatsink will include the clips that hold the fan on (usually do).

Good luck.

P.S.: Prices are high there!
Also, remember to go into your Anandtech Profile / Personal Options and turn your "Profile Visibility" to "ON" so the next guy on this board who tries to help you will know where you're located.