problems with clones?

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<< By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Experiments show that genes used in cloning often fail to work properly, causing serious abnormalities in mice, a finding that confirms the belief of many researchers that the method used to clone Dolly the sheep should not be used on humans.

In a study appearing Friday in the journal Science, researchers said even the use of embryonic stem cells in cloning did not assure the creation of normal mice. The study comes as the Bush administration considers whether to allow federal funds for non-cloning embryonic stem cell research.

&quot;This study confirms the suspicions of many of us that cloning of humans would be really dangerous,&quot; said Rudolf Jaenisch, senior author of the study and a researcher at the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research and at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

David Humpherys, first author of the study, said that many of the mice cloned in the experiment appeared to be normal, including having normal genes, but there was evidence that during embryonic and fetal development the genes did not work properly.

&quot;It is quite likely that just the animals that are most nearly normal make it to birth (in cloning), but our study shows that doesn't mean they are completely normal,&quot; said Humpherys. &quot;There may be changes in gene expression that could affect them later in life.&quot;

In cloned humans, Jaenisch said the gene expression flaws could affect personality, intelligence and other human attributes.

Humpherys said there was no evidence that the genes in the cloned animals were altered, but that the way in which the genes made proteins was flawed and unstable. In effect, the researchers found that even though the biological blueprint was intact in the cloned animals, the way that the blueprint was read and interpreted was flawed. This could result in abnormal tissues and organs, they said.

Humpherys and Jaenisch said that a number of scientists doing cloning experiments with mice, pigs, sheep and cattle have reported that even apparently normal animals develop disorders later in life. Jaenisch said that extreme obesity has developed in many cloned animals, including Dolly, the first mammal cloned from an adult cell.

Dr. David A. Prentice, an Indiana State University professor of life sciences, said the MIT-Whitehead study shows the hazards of the current cloning technology.

&quot;Development is a finely orchestrated ballet of cells forming tissues and organs at the right place and time,&quot; said Prentice. &quot;It takes only one going awry at the wrong time and place to have a seriously flawed individual.&quot;

In the study, the researchers made the mouse clones using embryonic stem cells, the primordial cells known to be able to form virtually any tissue in the body. The DNA from the cells was removed and inserted into a mouse egg that had been stripped of its DNA. The resulting embryos were then implanted in mother mice and allowed to grow to birth.

The researchers monitored the expression, or action, of genes that play a role in embryo and fetal development. They found that the genes, even from nearly identical stem cells, worked differently. In fact, said Humpherys, stem cells are unstable in gene expression even in the laboratory dish.

This instability raises the possibility that using stem cells to treat health disorders may not work as well as some scientists have suggested, said Dr. Joann A. Boughman, vice president of the American Society of Human Genetics.

&quot;When we grow (embryonic stem) cells for a curative situation, we will need to precisely control the process,&quot; she said. &quot;This paper shows that we've got a very long way to go to fully understand this whole process.&quot;

Some researchers have suggested that embryonic stem cells could be cloned from a patient and used to grow cells that could be used to restore that patient's ailing heart or liver or other organs.

Jaenisch said that it is unlikely that genetic instability would block the curative use of embryonic stem cells. He said in developing cells for therapeutic use, researchers would harvest and inject into patients only those cells that are normal.

During cloning, he said, no such selection is possible because an embryo must use the DNA provided and cannot select only that which is perfect.

Regulations that would permit federal funding of embryonic stem cell research has been delayed by President Bush who ordered a review of the whole issue. Some in Congress oppose embryonic stem cell research because obtaining the cells involves the death of a human embryo. Many scientists, however, believe that embryonic stem cell research could relieve suffering for millions of patients with a variety of disorders.
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samgau

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The womb controls the physical and chemical environment for the embryo.... in cloning that nurturing environment not normal, the controls are taken off, the triggers for the genes to proguce the right chemicals are either absent or wrong... that is why the success rate is so low...
 

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<< thoughts? >>



90% of the people on this forum won't have the faintest idea of the scientific techniques and theories that invole stem cell research and the medical miracles that they *could* provide.
 

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<< 90% of the people on this forum won't have the faintest idea of the scientific techniques and theories that invole stem cell research and the medical miracles that they *could* provide. >>

But still... it was on an @Home news page... it wasn't targeted for neuro-sergeons
 

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I'm am BY NO MEANS even remotely qualified to speak on the behalf of stem cell research scientists, but the ignorant masses that read this arcticle will take it for gospel because some guy who has a fancy title said that they won't work.

I personally feel that this article has more of a political agenda than a scientific one.

There has been years of research, and VOLUMES of scientific journals written on stem cell research. I don't think that those years of research are going to be overturned by one article.

Bush is a pawn to the conservatives. He is trying to stop research that could possibly help cure multiple nerve and tissue diseases because the cells that the scientists use come from aborted fetuses. All of this because the religious right conservatives think that this research is promoting abortions.

Go to google and type in &quot;abortion and stem cell research&quot;. There is no small amount of information available.
 

ElPool

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ive said it before. we need to clone people simply because it is cool, and you know it.
 

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<< ive said it before. we need to clone people simply because it is cool, and you know it. >>



hell ya!
&quot;lowfatbaconboy clone go do my homework&quot;
 

Elledan

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For now we should leave cloning to Nature itself, or we could split a developing embryo (like when it's 8 cells big) into two embryos, which would then become twins.

Stemcell research must continue, because like pointed out earlier, it has huge benefits. Cloning Humans is not likely to ever become a real application of this technology. Only parts (organs, limbs, nerves, etc.) will be cloned, but not complete Human beings.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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<< the ignorant masses that read this arcticle will take it for gospel because some guy who has a fancy title said that they won't work. >>

I really hope you're not refering to me. Lighten up, bizatch.