Problem with sharing with and without Homegroup

blackangst1

Lifer
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First, my setup:
Main PC upstairs connected to an E4200 router then ISP modem. HTPC downstairs with wifi card, and hardwired into a Linksys 310N configured with DD WRT as a bridge.

Everything was working fine before, but I installed a new hard drive and clean install on HTPC of Win 7 Professional. PC upstairs is running Win 7 Ult. My issue is I cant access sharded folders on the main PC upstairs from the HTPC downstairs.

Here's what Ive done.
Deleted Homegroup on both PC's and started over. I also tried setting up the Homegroup on either PC, same problem.

Ive tried sharing without using a Homegroup using THIS method.

Ive tried via the wifi card in the HTPC connecting directly to the E4200 upstairs wirelessly, as well as plugged hardwired into the bridge.



Each time its the same result. When I open up the Homegroup window, I see the shared folders on the main PC upstairs. When I double click one of them, it time out then gives this error:
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When I click diagnose, I get Troubleshooting couldnt identify the problem.

I tried sharing the entire drive upstairs then mapping a network drive, and get this:
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I double checked permissions on the drive as you can see here:
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Ive also triple checked permissions while in the Homegroup...right click folder, share with Homegroup.

Ive tried disabling the firewall and AV on both PC's.

I dont get it! I have full internet access, when I refresh the homegroup page everything shows up, I just cant open it.

Any ideas?
 
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JackMDS

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Everyone is an account, it means a group of all of the users that already have an account and been established as users. It is available to avoid the need of configuring permission to each on its own, it does not mean Everyone that feel that they would like to login.

Everyone does Not mean Everyone that wants to logon .

If accounts are set only for John, Jill, and Jack, using the Everyone setting in the Folder Permissions saves the effort of setting Permission separately for John, Jill, and Jack.

Everyone else is Not in the Everyone group, only John, Jill, and Jack.

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If you do not care about local security, and allowing/blocking specific users, you can eable the Guest account on all the computers.

Add the Guest account to the "Share with" list on all the computers, and set their read/write permission, and security as deem right for you, and enjoy. :D

Example for the real Everyone, http://www.ezlan.net/Win7/guests.jpg

Be careful every Folder that is set this way is opened really to everyone on the LAN.

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In general.

Win7 when configured on peer-to-peer Network has three types of Sharing configurations.

HomeGroup = Works only between Win 7 computers. This type of configuration makes it very easy to Entry Level Users to start Network sharing.

Home Network or Work Network = Basically similar(and better) to the previous methods of Work Group sharing that let you control what, how, and to whom folders would be shared with.

Public Sharing
= Public Network (like Internet cafe) to reduce security risks.

For best results log to each computer's System Screen and set all the computers to be on a with the same Work Group name while each computer has its own unique name.
http://www.ezlan.net/Win7/net_name.jpg

Make sure that the Software Firewall, AV, or other components of Security allow free local traffic on all Networked computers. If you use 3rd party Security On, Vista/XP Native Firewall should be Off, and the active Firewall has to adjusted to your Network IP numbers on what is some time called the Trusted Zone (consult your 3rd Party Firewall instructions

General example, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#trusted

Please Note that some 3rd party Software Firewalls/AV/Security suits keep blocking aspects of Local Traffic even it they are turned Off (disabled).
If possible configure the Firewall correctly, or totally uninstall it to allow clean flow of local network traffic.
If end up with the 3rd party software uninstalled or disabled, make sure that Windows native Firewall is On .
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If your network is comprised of Win 7 only and you want a simple Network, use this.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/help/videos/sharing-files-with-homegroup
After configuring the Homegroup scroll down to the Permission/Security section.
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Networking Win 7 with other version of Windows as Work Network (works very well if all computers are Win 7 too).
In the Network Center, clicking on the Network type opens the window to the right.
Choose your type of Network. Notice the check mark at the bottom, and check/uncheck it according to your needs.
http://www.ezlan.net/Win7/net_type.jpg
Win 7 - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/Networking-home-computers-running-different-versions-of-Windows

Win 7 Work Network specific folder sharing - http://www.onecomputerguy.com/windows7/windows7_sharing.htm

Vista File and Printer Sharing- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

Windows XP File Sharing - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040

In Win XP Pro with simple sharing Off, you can Visually see the Permission/Security setting , and configure them to your liking.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/learnmore/accesscontrol.mspx#securityTab
Printer Sharing XP - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/honeycutt_july2.mspx

Windows Native Firewall setting for Sharing XP - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875357

Windows XP patch for Sharing with Vista (Not need for XP-SP3) - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120

When finished with the setting of the system it is advisable to Reboot all the hardware including the Router and all computers involved.
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If you have Permission and Security issues with Vista/Win7, check the following settings.
Point to the a Folder that meant to to be share. Right click and choose properties.
In the properties
Click on the Security tab shown in the pic bellow to the right) and check that the users and their permission (shown in the pic bellow center and left) are correctly configured. Then do the same to the Permission tab.
This screen shot is from Win 7, Vista's menus are similar.
http://www.ezlan.net/Win7/Permission-Security.jpg

In both the Security panel, and the Permission panel you have to highlight each User/Group and examine that the Permission Controls are checked correctly.

When everything is OK, Reboot the Network (Router, and computer).

* Note
. The Groups and Users shown in the screen-shoot are just an example. Your list will look the way your system is configured.

**Note
. All users that are allowed to share need to have account on all the computers that they are allowed to connect to.



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blackangst1

Lifer
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Well, I dunno what I did. It just started working...outside of Homegroup. With permissions set as above. *shrug*