Problem with partnership

manlymatt83

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My business partner and I started a company 50/50 in December. The idea was that I would do all of the customer facing work (working on the servers, doing the consulting, pretty much ANYTHING dealing with making the money) and she would do the housecleaning (accounting, book keeping, acquiring customers, etc.).

Since then, things haven't been fair. I've been doing all of my duties, but I constantly find myself nagging her to get her work done. The company is stable because the customers are being served fine, and they are all happy, but we are behind on billing, behind on sales acquisitions, etc.

I've tried to talk to her but it hasn't gone over well. I'm at a loss for words. True I could force a buyout, or I could just fold, but I don't know what to do. We started the company with 25 of my customers - we now have about 35, but the 10 that are acquired were because I either met the people, or because they are friends of former customers.

Any ideas on what I could do to rectify this? Should I jump ship and buy her out? What are some other ideas?

 

Baked

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Dec 28, 2004
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You need the dump the bitch ASAP and find somebody else who gives a fuck.
 

xSauronx

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sounds like she doesnt care, ditch her.

did you not realize she has that kind of attitude?
 

theblackbox

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i' not a big fan of the 50/50 partnership, it is always best served by 51/49. Why don't you buy out a portion to take control of the partnership, or if you like the business, buy her out. if you are doing well, why would you ever want to just leave it behind unless you have made big money from it and are ready for something else.
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
i' not a big fan of the 50/50 partnership, it is always best served by 51/49. Why don't you buy out a portion to take control of the partnership, or if you like the business, buy her out. if you are doing well, why would you ever want to just leave it behind unless you have made big money from it and are ready for something else.

It might be best to start with buying a controlling interest, rather than buying her out in one fell swoop. If she's feeling defensive, she might be more cooperative if she doesn't think you're trying to ditch her once and for all.
 

Bignate603

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Buy her out and hire somebody decent. If she won't do that contact all your customers and tell them that you are going it alone with your own company. Transition them all over. You've got the contact with the customers, you control the income source, she has very little hold on the actual heart of the business.
 

TwiceOver

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Dec 20, 2002
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THis is why someone should always have controlling stake in a company.

Confront her and ask to buy a controlling share of the company. THen do what needs to be done.
 

alkemyst

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good luck with this in a partnership...90/10 vs 50/50 doesn't make much of a difference if they don't pull their weight.

You best case is to replace her, but she is still entitled to her cut.

You can always end the current business and reform.
 

Descartes

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Do you even have a formal partnership? Performance issues like this are generally stipulated on the partner agreements. Failing that, dissolving the partnership should also be included.

So, I don't know what you're asking ATOT about. Most people on here don't have experience in formal business partnerships anyway, so aside from a simple domestic conclusion to this you need to get proper counsel.
 

Row1and

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Can we hear your partners side of the story.. Hearing just one side makes isn't really fair. Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with you and that you have to do all this work, but I've learned to not be to quick to judge...

Let's hear your partner's side!
 

Bignate603

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Originally posted by: Row1and
Can we hear your partners side of the story.. Hearing just one side makes isn't really fair. Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with you and that you have to do all this work, but I've learned to not be to quick to judge...

Let's hear your partner's side!

How do you suggest we do that?
 

her209

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Oct 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: Row1and
Can we hear your partners side of the story.. Hearing just one side makes isn't really fair. Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with you and that you have to do all this work, but I've learned to not be to quick to judge...

Let's hear your partner's side!
How do you suggest we do that?
ATOT Court w/ pohl
 

tailes151

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Partnerships are almost always a bad idea. I'd personally try to get out of this one and form a limited liability company.
 

manlymatt83

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Originally posted by: Bignate603
Buy her out and hire somebody decent. If she won't do that contact all your customers and tell them that you are going it alone with your own company. Transition them all over. You've got the contact with the customers, you control the income source, she has very little hold on the actual heart of the business.

This is the :thumbsup: idea. I'm already forming a personal LLC just in case.
 

sjwaste

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Aug 2, 2000
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Do you have a formal partnership agreement? Need some more facts.

Email me if you'd like, I assume you still have the addy.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Feb 16, 2003
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You need to setup a proper corporate structure, giving people ownership based on a vested period of time, at the discretion of the board of directors. Going into something 50/50 is ok if it means that this structure will be established, but if you ever plan on involving others, 50/50 isn't the way to go.

Edit: There's more detail in the post below. Overall, take this as a learning experience, it happens in every industry and every type of business you can think of.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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http://www.mcstartup.com/blog/...-for-the-founders.html

This is an area that many startups, especially when founded by first time entrepreneurs, don't even think about. They decide how the company should be split up, dole out the shares of stock, and proceed down their happy path.

This is great, until someone decides to leave early, or otherwise makes a troublemaker out of themselves.

The solution is really quite simple, but isn't obvious unless you've dealt with it before. You can create "Founders Shares" which are really just common shares but are subject to certain restrictions you would not have as a simple shareholder.

These shares are made subject to a "right of repurchase in favor of the company" which is a fancy way of saying that, if you leave, the company has the right, at its sole discretion, to buy the shares back. These restrictions then "lift" over time, meaning that as time goes on, fewer shares are subject to this repurchase agreement.

For example, lets say that Bill has 1,000 shares of common stock, subject to the founders stock agreement. Under this agreement, all of his shares are subject to repurchase at any time if he leaves the company (or is fired). At the same time, 250 shares per year will have their restrictions lifted, provided old Bill here is still with the company.

Ok, so in month 26 of his tenure with the company, Bill has an epiphany, decides to become a ninja, and moves to a monastery in a remote part of Japan to begin his studies. Good for Bill. In this case, Bill has been with the company for just over 2 years, so he has 500 shares (250 for each year) free and clear of any founders restrictions. He keeps those, and the company buys back, at the current share price (or at a previously agreed upon price, maybe what he paid for them) the remaining 500 shares. Bill is happy with his new ninja friends, and the company is happy to have parted ways in a fair and amicable fashion.

Basically, the founders shares end up working like employee stock options that vest over time (and if you aren't' clear on that, then just ask and I can go into it). There are two key advantages, however, that favor the founders using this restricted stock format. One, the founders agreement should state that the owner of the restricted stock can vote their shares as though they were not under any kind of restriction. That means that, so long as Bill is still with the company, he can vote all 1,000 of his shares even though most or all of them might still be subject to restrictions. The second is that, because Bill actually bought the shares, his holding period of tax purposes begins at the company's founding, as opposed to (if he held employee stock options), when he exercised those options.

While most founders are hardly worried about tax consequences at day 1, this is still something worth considering. If the company is purchased and cash is given for the shares, then you'll be much happier to be in the 15% long term capital gains bracket than at the much higher short term capital gains bracket.

Finally, founders agreements will often contain accelerators in the event of a liquidation or sale of the company. For example, say that in year one, Google comes along and buys your company. From our example, Old Bill had 1000 shares, yet all of them are still subject to repurchase by the company. Is the evil board of directors going to fire Bill immediately prior to the acquisition, so that it can purchase his shares back for cheap, pocket the cash, and leave Bill hung out to dry? Unlikely, but it could happen. This can be addressed by including accelerators stating that, immediately prior to an acquisition or liquidation, or upon termination immediately preceding such an event, all restrictions (or a portion of them) lift. With this little gem, even if they give Bill the axe (they didn't like his infatuation with ninjas anyway), he'll get to keep his shares because of the accelerators.

You can also do with with your employee stock options if you like, however you need to be careful because a company that acquires you isn't going to want all your employees bailing on day one because they've all received their stock. Again, employee stock option structuring is probably for another question, but you have to balance what you give to your employees vs. what you can actually make work in the real world. They are many examples of mergers that didn't go through because the stock options were structured in a way to put all the risk on the acquiring company, and it's just not worth it.
 

chusteczka

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: Row1and
Can we hear your partners side of the story.. Hearing just one side makes isn't really fair. Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with you and that you have to do all this work, but I've learned to not be to quick to judge...

Let's hear your partner's side!
How do you suggest we do that?
ATOT Court w/ pohl

Bust a deal, face the wheel!


But I really like the idea of an ATOT Court with a poll. :thumbsup:
 

Aharami

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Aug 31, 2001
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I dont understand. I thought you lost yout job and were traveling the US. Or was that someone else?
If so, how are you pulling your weight in the 50/50 partnership while on the road?