Pro tip: If you get an abscess, GO STRAIGHT TO THE HOSPITAL!

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A few months back I worried that I had an abscess and it turned out to just be some food lodged in my gum.

I'd considered going to an emergency (meaning open w/o appointment and very long hours including Sundays) dental office, but held off and swished warm salt water, food particle came out on its own.

I'm kind of glad that I waited because after reading some reviews for the emergency dental office, odds are they would have wanted to perform the most expensive procedures possible to maximize profit instead of just getting the stuck food particle out. Plus they weren't in-network.

Seems sad to state that. I had a great dentist for years but he retired and the next one I went to, tried to tell me I had 10 cavities.... so I got a second opinion that I had NO cavities that needed anything done. Seems EVIL, to drill and fill a tooth that doesn't need it, just so you can make more money.
 
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For the love of Buddha do not sit on it.
Also bring your own food, because the hospital will try to kill you.
Hospital food varies, one of the hospital systems my kid went to in NE had surprisingly good food. The other one had... well, probably not that far from what you ate.
ProTip: MOST "dentists" ARE "evil".
Maybe try a lady dentist? My last couple have been women, and do not appear to be evil.
 

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I went to an urgent care facility. The doc gave a cut in the area to drain it and prescribed amoxicillin afterwards. I then had to fend for myself for the ever since.

I changed my diet but it wasn't the fish, bean(peanuts and dark chocolate), cheese, vitC-based one I eat now because I wasn't in the mood to research due to long-COVID, didn't bother to read Weston Price when I had the chance in the mid-2000s, and wound up getting my first filling after that, had not yet to come across Ford Brewer.

Red meat and vegetables alone, with no salt, is a shitty way to kill yourself.
 

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Dentist who wanted to create 10 cavities where there weren't any, was female.
Similsr situation with the one my mom always coerced me towards. No panorex machine, no perio probing. Just tells me that I have periodontitis and that I will lose my teeth. Then just does a regular cleaning on the next visit. Says gums were better, sure, but any monkey with a mirror could see they weren't a normal pink and inflamed still.
 

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I decided to eat more greens after leaving the hospital.
Let us say my stomach is confused, and possibly angry. I won't go into more detail than that.
 

mindless1

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Almost every time I get food lodged in my gums, it's a pan fried pork loin.

Greens, I try to eat a fair amount but ironically one of my favorites, arugula, I'm also allergic to. Not deadly allergic but eating a bowl full without a buffer, I'll feel it later.
 

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I need to figure out broccoli and cheese without a flour-based sauce. I cannot tolerate excessive fibrous matter

Teeth-health battery of foods include:
Fatty fish and/or mollusks
low-sugar dark chocolate
Cheeses, preferably aged and hard.
Tofu
Vitamin C sources, preferably lower sugar or at least not "messy".
Waterpik is a lifesaver in terms of cleaning.

Then supplement C, D3, K2, and the B-complex.

Or you could just Weston Price it with Cod Liver Oil, Grass-fed milk, Grass Fed Butter.

My abcess occured a week after a long overdue cleaning a week prior. The austere dentist left the cleaning "unfinished" probably due to the severity of the inflammation. A tortilla with beef and tomatoes was the start of the infection.

I tried to kanagroo hop to a two new provider but they ALL were pieces of garbage. A male Sikh-descended dentist down the street tried to profit off of a much more minor gum abcess(different tooth) by trying to sell a referral for a root canal at a specialist and then Sikh-boy would then implement a crown. For rich people with no brains in dentistry, such a sales tactic would work. But I felt no pain IN THE TOOTH(I avoided cavities despite having severe perio), so I basically paid $150 for some bitewing xrays and antibiotics. This was paid out of pocket because I was going with the "pay for quality" logic because he had hundreds of good reviews.

Then the university of Maryland emergency treatment basically wanted to "bill to insurance" and just extract a tooth, yeah, that was declined. The only benefit from trying out this dentist school was discovering Dual Eligible Medicare Advantage plans cover all sorts of dental procedures(only problem is whether the senior has anything left to work on)

I bought the Waterpik around May 7. Couponed down the price to $45 bucks. Implemented a half-baked, cavity inducing diet in which I basically had quit by September). Didn't get an abscess but boy did I feel like shit. My hatred of fish, and eggs, and a childhood-induced aversion to cheese(I vomited Mac & cheese once before age 8) did me no favors in life. Probably a bit reason why my sister could get away with 15+years of not seeing a dentist without periodontitis. She hates fish, but liked her eggs and cheese.

Also, the saltphobic dogma in dietary advice can screw itself. Tyranny of the hypertense really does harm to low BP people like me, who can eat salt and get away with it. Going no salt when I already don't like it much is bad, and the dietary advice to limit salt intake is thus also bad for select people.

I liked my Gatorade, Muscle Milk, Spaghettios, and dumping everything sweet also meat losing the vitamins in those foods. I periodically but inconsistently ate milk and orange juice, and that was mostly cut out for a few months as well.
 

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^ What is this flour based sauce you speak of? I hate flour based sauces and always find another way.

If it's just cheesy broccoli, if in a hurry I might just use the cheese dip that comes in glass jars, otherwise I typically do a mix of sharp cheddar, velveeta (melts easily and the 2% type has a high protein to fat ratio (for cheap cheese)), and milk. Microwave it to melt, stir, add a little more milk if it's too thick, and it should be a little thin because it will thicken as it cools enough to eat. At the same time it depends on how you cooked the broccoli, I steam it before putting the sauce on, so there is a little moisture to be accounted for when factoring for sauce viscosity, already in the broccoli.

Otherwise, fast food restaurants typically thin real cheese or cheese powder/mix with vegetable oil, or for a more universal substitute for flour based sauces (except not so much when pan browning something for gravy when frying which I tend not to do much in recent years), I'd use corn starch, but corn starch just isn't needed when doing a cheese sauce because water plus protein (however you want to break that down into ingredients, considering the primary constituent of milk is water...) can achieve the desired viscosity without dilluting (and perverting) the flavor with flour.

Maybe it's the velveeta that makes it all work, never tried just mixing water with sharp cheddar...
 
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^ What is this flour based sauce you speak of? I hate flour based sauces and always find another way.

If it's just cheesy broccoli, if in a hurry I might just use the cheese dip that comes in glass jars, otherwise I typically do a mix of sharp cheddar, velveeta (melts easily and the 2% type has a high protein to fat ratio (for cheap cheese)), and milk. Microwave it to melt, stir, add a little more milk if it's too thick, and it should be a little thin because it will thicken as it cools enough to eat. At the same time it depends on how you cooked the broccoli, I steam it before putting the sauce on, so there is a little moisture to be accounted for when factoring for sauce viscosity, already in the broccoli.

Otherwise, fast food restaurants typically thin real cheese or cheese powder/mix with vegetable oil, or for a more universal substitute for flour based sauces (except not so much when pan browning something for gravy when frying which I tend not to do much in recent years), I'd use corn starch, but corn starch just isn't needed when doing a cheese sauce because water plus protein (however you want to break that down into ingredients, considering the primary constituent of milk is water...) can achieve the desired viscosity without dilluting (and perverting) the flavor with flour.

Maybe it's the velveeta that makes it all work, never tried just mixing water with sharp cheddar...
I came across some cheese sauce that start with making a roux, and that is equal parts flour and fat.
 

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Do what you want, but I see no reason to put flour in a cheese sauce... unless it's a restaurant, trying to cheap out on ingredients, and suffering the flavor decrease as a result.

Granted, I could eat broccoli without anything added. I like vegetables. After I reduced my sodium intake, everything changed, I started tasting things again.
 
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ok, so, if the area around an open wound is itching like crazy, what can I put on it to decrease the itching? What can I not put on it?
 

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Seems sad to state that. I had a great dentist for years but he retired and the next one I went to, tried to tell me I had 10 cavities.... so I got a second opinion that I had NO cavities that needed anything done. Seems EVIL, to drill and fill a tooth that doesn't need it, just so you can make more money.
Exactly why I hate the medical profession. It's turned into an industry focused on maximizing profit rather than caring about human life and suffering. I don't know what they teach these reptiles in medical school these days. Must be really *hitty education/professors. I mean, how do the most intelligent people who have the ability to read/understand thick volumes of dry medical literature turn into such unfeeling apathetic monsters? Education/enlightenment should be doing the exact opposite.

DISCLAIMER: My younger brother is a dentist. I hope he's a compassionate person. Haven't experienced his practice. Yet. Hope I never do.
 

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My own research on teeth health suggests the following:

Eat pure honey, wasabi, onions and especially finish a meal with a cucumber (it contains nutrients that discourage growth of oral bacteria).

Pomegranate seeds/juice is also good for oral health.

Try to avoid toothpastes containing glycerin (it forms a coating over the enamel that then prevents remineralization, leading to cavities). I've been using organic toothpastes for the past decade.

If you have access to a female mouth, french kiss. A lot. It encourages healthy oral bacterial growth.

Chew gum containing xylitol.

Do oil pulling with coconut oil. It contains an anti-bacterial agent called monolaurin. You need to swish the oil around for at least 20 minutes. It will take with it most of the bacteria in the oral cavity when you spit the oil out. Alternatively, if you have access to a lactating female breast, the milk also contains monolaurin. Don't deprive the baby, though.

Always brush before bed.
 

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My own research on teeth health suggests the following:

Eat pure honey, wasabi, onions and especially finish a meal with a cucumber (it contains nutrients that discourage growth of oral bacteria).

Pomegranate seeds/juice is also good for oral health.

Try to avoid toothpastes containing glycerin (it forms a coating over the enamel that then prevents remineralization, leading to cavities). I've been using organic toothpastes for the past decade.

If you have access to a female mouth, french kiss. A lot. It encourages healthy oral bacterial growth.

Chew gum containing xylitol.

Do oil pulling with coconut oil. It contains an anti-bacterial agent called monolaurin. You need to swish the oil around for at least 20 minutes. It will take with it most of the bacteria in the oral cavity when you spit the oil out. Alternatively, if you have access to a lactating female breast, the milk also contains monolaurin. Don't deprive the baby, though.

Always brush before bed.
Given that numerous moms transfer streptococcus mutans to their kids, I highly doubt only "good" oral bacteria going from one mouth to another...

Mono is another....

Monkeypox as well.

Oral herpes

Furthermore, you did not qualify female. Thus, old females, fat females, etc are supposedly good to go.
 
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Do what you want, but I see no reason to put flour in a cheese sauce... unless it's a restaurant, trying to cheap out on ingredients, and suffering the flavor decrease as a result.

Granted, I could eat broccoli without anything added. I like vegetables. After I reduced my sodium intake, everything changed, I started tasting things again.
When I used to make the cheese sauce in a restaurant it was heating up milk then putting in cheese to melt and thicken it.
 

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^ I was thinking more like the goop in the pump dispenser at taco bell, though the jars of cheese dip sauce you'd find on shelves at the grocery store are also, usually thinned with vegetable oil.

 
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Valid point :D

Let's revise that to healthy females that are not so attractive that everyone wants to bang them :)
How about avoiding smooching people in general if they eat diets not conducive to teeth health(which is basically everyone). There isn't much difference between a twinkie chugger, a gatorade sucker, pasta slurper, or a protein bar chewer in terms of teeth health since all the products are sugar'd up.

Kissing is actually disgusting on an intellectual level, but biological "mandates" overrule left-brained germophobia.

And if it's just bacteria to be transferred, who is to say a man can't have better microbiome than a woman? (I say this as a straight male who is straighter than a straight edge in a machinist's shop).
 

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