Pro-Russians massacred in Odessa

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RampantAndroid

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why would it be broadcasted in a western language??? because it's tailored for western viewers..

it's that simple.

....OK, so maybe you can then go further down this road and reach the conclusion that just because it's in english does not exclude it from being little more than russian propaganda.

So far it sounds like pro-Russians poked a crowd enough and the crowd turned on them, and killed them.

I suggest you look up the Boston Massacre - Crowd pokes British soldiers, soldiers kill people in crowd and are acquitted.
 

zanejohnson

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In Donesk where insurgents (some masked with fatigues and armed with fire-arms), stormed and instigated a violent riot against the Prosecutors Office....

Wrong city, zanejohnson, this thread concerned the events in Odessa.

it's happening at the same time. how can people have such tunnelvision, i can't understand..
 

zanejohnson

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....OK, so maybe you can then go further down this road and reach the conclusion that just because it's in english does not exclude it from being little more than russian propaganda.

yes because i can somehow magically understand how a news media outlet operates... (i can)
 

zanejohnson

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Oooohkay? What's your point? Pro-russians poke police, police respond non-lethally...

there was no point really i was just putting it out there because i didnt want to start a new thread for that video (as it is biased) (it's a western news outlet, and a shady one at that)

you have to realize that there's 3 cities, donetsk, slovynsk, and odessa, this is happening in right now... if you looked around you'd see that.
 

Whiskey16

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it's happening at the same time. how can people have such tunnelvision, i can't understand..
No. I'll clarify again what I certainly do correctly understand:


  1. You presented a non-flattering video of violent pro-Russian rioters in a different city, Donetsk.
  2. Thread concerns lozina's presentation of dishonest pro-Russian propaganda spin of specific events in Odessa.
 

RampantAndroid

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there was no point really i was just putting it out there because i didnt want to start a new thread for that video (as it is biased) (it's a western news outlet, and a shady one at that)

OK, I guess I just don't see what you're getting at (or am trying to read too much into your posts given the OP), and I do see Vice as being biased from what I know of them.

I really have no horses in this race.
 

zanejohnson

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No. I'll clarify again what I certainly do correctly understand:


  1. You presented a non-flattering video of violent pro-Russian rioters in a different city, Donetsk.
  2. Thread concerns lozina's presentation of dishonest pro-Russian propaganda spin of specific events in Odessa.

right but it matters because this cities are about 400 miles apart...

maybe, just maybe, this is orchestrated??? ya think?
 

senseamp

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....OK, so maybe you can then go further down this road and reach the conclusion that just because it's in english does not exclude it from being little more than russian propaganda.

So far it sounds like pro-Russians poked a crowd enough and the crowd turned on them, and killed them.

I suggest you look up the Boston Massacre - Crowd pokes British soldiers, soldiers kill people in crowd and are acquitted.

Boston Massacre is an apt comparison, but not a favorable one for Ukraine in the long term.
 

zanejohnson

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OK, I guess I just don't see what you're getting at (or am trying to read too much into your posts given the OP), and I do see Vice as being biased from what I know of them.

I really have no horses in this race.

of course vice is biased, i'm not trying to take sides, i'm trying to stay non biased...

and vice is as biased as it comes....... they're obviously catering to the anti-western/pro anarchy side of things.., while playing on the pro-western liberal agenda (young naive crowd)
 

Whiskey16

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right but it matters because this cities are about 400 miles apart...

maybe, just maybe, this is orchestrated??? ya think?
On this point of organised orchestration for local insurgencies, I fail to see how you could possibly assume me contesting such reality.

I guess you kind of missed out on my former post in this thread of substantiating Putin's long plan of propaganda preparation and eventual action of Russian extraterritorial expansion, which began in South Ossetia, and on in the next few week into Eastern Ukraine?
 

zanejohnson

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On this point of organised orchestration for local insurgencies, I fail to see how you could possibly assume me contesting such reality.

I guess you kind of missed out on my former post in this thread of substantiating Putin's long plan of propaganda preparation and eventual action of Russian extraterritorial expansion, which began in South Ossetia, and on in the next few week into Eastern Ukraine?



yeah probably, we need 1 thread, it needs to be (russian invasion of ukraine)
 

JEDIYoda

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Surprised there is not much news of this, and what is reported mostly fails to mention the people surrounded and burned alive were pro-Russians.

Why is that?

Dozens of pro-Russian protesters retreat to a Trade Union building from a much large mob of armed right wing extremists, and as they surround the building they set it afire. People who try to jump out get beaten - sometimes to death. Majority of people die inside from the smoke inhalation.

This is a rather significant incident.

I guess since it makes Kiev look bad the Western media is trying to ignore it...
2 things....
It makes you look bad because you do not know what you are talking about!

It makes the Ukranian people look like they are willing to defend what is left of their country against armed insurgents!

Why are you so pro Russia??
 

davmat787

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So do you appreciate the irony that the Russian owned news channel you so wildly claim is just propaganda is reporting more truth here?

In this case, the truth actually helps Russia politically more than the usual propaganda does.
 

Kadarin

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Ukraine is falling into a civil war. USSR put Ukraine together, after USSR collapsed, Ukraine was held together largely by inertia. It was not ready for this East-West NATO-Russia tug of war. Now it's coming apart at the seams.

It's coming apart at the seams because Russia is fomenting unrest. Once it gets bad enough, Russia will invade to "protect Russian speaking people".
 

Genx87

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It never fails. When somebody comes out with guns ablazing their desired source if RT. Think the people who make ass's of themselves would learn.
 

Jaskalas

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It's coming apart at the seams because Russia is fomenting unrest. Once it gets bad enough, Russia will invade to "protect Russian speaking people".

This is an accurate and logical conclusion. It's a Ukrainian Spring.
 

Jhhnn

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another situation where over the next week or two, it will be conclusively demonstrated that RT flat out lied. But by that time the news story of the day will have shifted to the new situation developing in the region and the cycle will continue.

Russian propaganda at its finest.

Yeh, that pic of the Ukrainian women making molotov cocktails musta been fake, huh? And the fire in the building just started "somehow". Might check the pic in the Time link.

In case nobody noticed, the Right Front is the street muscle behind the Kiev govt.
 

Whiskey16

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Yeh, that pic of the Ukrainian women making molotov cocktails musta been fake, huh? And the fire in the building just started "somehow". Might check the pic in the Time link.

In case nobody noticed, the Right Front is the street muscle behind the Kiev govt.
Jhhnn, in the past you have come across as rather intelligent, and if you're the same as I think from Ars, then we've crossed paths for well over a decade.

So, what's up? Why are you so willing to ignore the very explicit display of armed insurgents, with masks and fatigues taking over numerous government buildings?

Yes, this incident in Odessa certainly does show women making up Molotov cocktails. With the rational application of Occam's Razor, a strong contingent of locals in Odessa aren't so receptive to an armed foreign insurrection against their life.

Though Jhhnn, rather than such common sense with the pictures and videos of the events in Odessa, you prefer presenting the spin of this failed OP of lozina and Russian media, where the poor unarmed Russian nationalist are pounced upon and made victim of fascists.

No. The international crimes here are the repetition of the Russian-state orchestrated and weapon supplied local groups, and the importation of Russian incommunicado troops/police/etc.. to repeat of the events of the successful Crimean trial run.

Common sense leads the rest of us to recognise what is as a repeat of what has been verified to be with that previous Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea.
 

Whiskey16

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This is an accurate and logical conclusion. It's a Ukrainian Spring.
No, incorrect. Indigenous uprisings would have been of the Orange Revolution and the latest ousting of an autocratic Moscow puppet and thug out of Kiev.

The latest events in Odessa quite mirror the local reaction of hostile gunmen from rooftops firing into crowds and thereby provoking violent repercussions. A few months ago, Yanukovych's loyal security forces and snipers nullified hopes of a repeat for a fairly peaceful revolution as occurred in the 2005 Orange events.

Nice try at some lame spin, though, Jaskalas. Certainly the thread for spin and the face slap of hard dosed reality in return.
 
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lozina

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It never fails. When somebody comes out with guns ablazing their desired source if RT. Think the people who make ass's of themselves would learn.

Have you come to join your comrades in the Hall of Shame?

I bet you too, failed to watch the videos of the actual events, and are just basing your entire stance on what CNN says (or in this case, fails to elaborate on)

The replies to this thread serves as a great demonstration of pure bias and ignorance.

So... while the West continues to try and ignore the story (it was taken off front page of google news late last night, and on CNN it is barely mentioned) some "non Russian funded" sources have started to post the factual details RT has posted from the beginning.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ffers-bloodiest-day-since-the-revolution.html

The Odessa Massacre, as some are already calling it, was the greatest single loss of life in Ukraine's unrest since the revolution in February. It has brought the country closer to civil war than ever before.

The battle lasted into the evening, when a group of pro-Russians, heavily outnumbered, managed to break away. Some witnesses say they melted through the police lines without being stopped.
At this point, an enraged crowd decided to march on the House of Trade Unions, located beside a park where pro-Russians had set up a small protest camp some weeks ago.
”They decided to clear them out. They were angry after what had happened on the streets,” said Alexandra, a local resident who was among the crowd that day.
The pro-Maidan football fans and self-defence units quickly destroyed the camp, setting fire to the tents. The pro-Russians tried to make a last stand on the steps of the House of Trade Unions, throwing up barricades around the great stone pillars in front of the doors. Finally, they were forced to retreat inside.

As people tried to escape from the burning building, however, some were set upon by pro-Maidan demonstrators.

But many of the friends and relatives of the dead are convinced that extreme elements in the crowd had murder on their minds from the beginning. “Those Nazis set themselves the task of herding people into this building and killing them,” said one man, who asked not to be named. “They were peaceful protesters here. We have been here for months in these tents.”
Moris Ibrahimov said: “The people who lived in the tents went into the building simply to avoid bloodshed. But those fascists had the task of killing the people who were here.”

How does the egg on your face feel, you biased shills?

It is pathetic you allow your bias to ignore the massacre that occurred here. You should be ashamed of yourselves but obviously shame and humility are traits you lack.

Anyone with human compassion would be horrified by what the pro-Kiev right extremists did here.
 

lozina

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Though Jhhnn, rather than such common sense with the pictures and videos of the events in Odessa, you prefer presenting the spin of this failed OP of lozina and Russian media, where the poor unarmed Russian nationalist are pounced upon and made victim of fascists.

You have buried yourself into a hole so deep that you can no longer toss shovel loads of dirt outside, it just falls back on top of you.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c589e8-be8f-43a1-9927-13310c24b653_story.html

Friday evening, a pro-Ukrainian mob attacked a camp where the pro-Russian supporters had pitched tents, forcing them to flee to a nearby government building, a witness said. The mob then threw gasoline bombs into the building. Police said 31 people were killed when they choked on smoke or jumped out of windows.

Asked who had thrown the molotov cocktails, pro-Ukrainian activist Diana Berg said, “Our people — but now they are helping them to escape the building.”

So tell me, who was right now? Did I "spin the story" as you so feverishly claim?

RT News reported the truth from the beginning and only now once the Western media realizes it cant spin it in the favor of the Kiev regime do they quietly post some of the facts.

I can only imagine how big of a story this would be if the tables were turned, if it were pro-Kiev demonstrators burned alive by the pro-Russians. You would probably be leading the charge for military action.