Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

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judgejudy

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pro choice.
identical twins have identical DNA. Which makes you wonder, what inside them makes them different. what makes them different is the god instilled consciousness which is established after they are born. hence, i argue that fetuses are not true human beings until their consciousness is established. Thus, a fetuses life is expendable since it is dependent on a woman's body, and since a woman's body is in danger when pregnant, it is ultimately her decision.
 

Abomination

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It's kind of like religion... I think it's useless but some people hold on to it (although it'll be gone in a couple of generations) and I have no problem with that but I don't go around killing ministers and priests because it's their opinion. I'm not going to force my opinion on anyone else, I just like to inform. Abortion should stay because it's the mother's choice.

If anyone feels otherwise they can challenge me to quake 3 1v1 :D lol, j/k
</me shoots a pre-emptive rocket just in case :)>
 

Blackhawk2

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<<...what makes them different is the god instilled consciousness which is established after they are born...>>

judgejudy, you forgot the IMO.
 

Dameon

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<< seeing as the baby does not develop life/death awareness until it is at least three years old >>



so now you are advocating infanticide is legal too? You sick bastards. all you pro-choice advocates are soulless, selfish, arrogant rancid vaginal discharges that are a disgrace to humanity. You have degraded the value of human life. Anyone ever notice that child abuse went UP after abortion was legalized? We didn't get rid of unwanted children, we just started treating all of them like they didn't matter quite as much. We started sending both parents to work and having a minimum wage worker care for our children during a third of their time.
We devalued children to the point that they no longer feel any value. Abortion did not solve the problems it was supposed to, it made them worse... and created new ones.

If Mary was alive today, she'd abort Jesus for being an inconvenience.. an unplanned pregnancy.
 

Recneps

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Umm how is it any different to kill an unborn child then to kill any animal? We are animals just like the cow or pig you eat. Is it the DNA they contain is some how special? If they were god childern then god would not have made it so damn easy.

Pro lifers: How do you wish to punsh a women who gets an illegal abortion? Should we give them the death penitaly. Oh wait no one would ever have an abortion now that we pasted a law. How does it effect you that some one you don't know had an abortion? It doesn't it has no effect on you so you should find your own life. You have no right to push your beliefs on another person and that goes for alot more then just abortion
 



<< is it any different to kill an unborn child then to kill any animal? >>


Yes.


<< Is it the DNA they contain is some how special? >>


Yes.

edit: I'm done with this topic for a few weeks.
 

Recneps

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<< Is it the DNA they contain is some how special? >>


<<Yes.>>

So should we require women to have one child for every sprem cell? It does contain the very same special DNA right? Should we give this same right to cancer cells their DNA is human It can live out side the body and grow and divide right?

 

qacwac

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Isla I agree on the get the cause. As I have seen from other post however, most see nothing wrong with the biggest cause, premarital sex.

But while I agree with the above, the fact remains that human babies are killed everyday. So while I hope and pray the cause is eventually taken care of (which from human history does not appear will ever happen until Judgement) and I will support my belief that premarital sex is wrong, I will also fight the immediate results.

We are animals just like the cow or pig you eat

[sarcasm]Umm yeah. Let's think about that. So when people kill pigs and cattle to eat, and then we all eat it, it's no different then if I killed you and ate you. Yeah, that's perfectly normal. No difference in humans and animals. Maybe I'll make my living killing humans and selling them for food.[/sarcasm]
 

Abomination

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Hahahhahaa... you guys are funny.



<< You sick bastards. all you pro-choice advocates are soulless, selfish, arrogant rancid vaginal discharges that are a disgrace to humanity. >>



A} Selfish? For what? Letting The woman decide if she can have an abortion? What am I so selfish about? I just said that it should be the woman's choice and not yours. =/

B) Next you call me arrogant and yet you have no objection to a fully grown cow being mutilated so you can eat it? Still you won't let the woman decide if she wants to raise a child or not.

C) And I think the disgraces to humanity are the people who judge. Especially the people who judge without knowing one god damn thing about the person being judeged.

D} You can't call anyone soul-less until you are them. And the last time I checked, I was the only one who was me.

And if Jesus was aborted? What if? What if we weren't really created by your &quot;god.&quot; What if jesus never exhisted? Nothing would be different.



<< the fact remains that human babies are killed everyday. So while I hope and pray the cause is eventually taken care of (which from human history does not appear will ever happen until Judgement) >>



Thanks god but I'll wait for your &quot;judgement&quot; day (or whatever you want to call it) to be judged. Especially because I stated earlier that I wouldn't have an abortion (not only because I'm a guy but because I've always known it as &quot;the more the marrier&quot;) but I think it's the woman's choice and not yours.



<< So when people kill pigs and cattle to eat, and then we all eat it, it's no different then if I killed you and ate you. Yeah, that's perfectly normal. >>



God, that's the most god damn arrogant line I've ever heard. If you kill a cow to eat it, you are killing an animal just like if anyone killed anyone. The difference is that humans are so god damn arrogant that we look at cows and see that they don't acheive anything or love anyone. The thing that makes that arrogant is the fact that it's all relative. The cow's life goals might be to give a gallon of milk at once (or something). Now that may seem like nothing to us but that's the cow's life goal and it's just as important to it as our life goals are to us. I also think it's pathetic that people need to be &quot;joined&quot; by their god by some twobit ceremony in order to perform the main function of the human body. Especially seeing as it's the most pleasurable function your body serves.

I'm gonna say it for the last time. I wouldn't have an abortion (not only because I'm a guy but because I've always known it as &quot;the more the marrier&quot;) but I think it's the woman's choice and not yours.

Sorry bout the long post but this is starting to get pointless.
 

qacwac

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If you kill a cow to eat it, you are killing an animal just like if anyone killed anyone.

Okay if it's the same thing then we should get the same results right. That's logical. If 2 apples +2 apples = 4 apples then 2 oranges + 2 oranges should equal 4 oranges right.

1. I kill a cow and eat it. Results. Everything is fine. Eat cow all the time and have people for me.

2. I kill a human and eat him. Results. I go to jail for the rest of my life and have movies made about my atrocity.

Am I the only one who sees a difference? This is a rhetorical question. You do not have to respond. (But feel free to)
 

Blackhawk2

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qacwac, no. We're here, we just don't want to respond to something that will drag this topic into the 3rd millenium :)
 

kami

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I'm pro-choice, but pretty close to being pro-life. In some situations I can see where an abortion would be needed though.



<< If you kill a cow to eat it, you are killing an animal just like if anyone killed anyone. The difference is that humans are so god damn arrogant that we look at cows and see that they don't acheive anything or love anyone. The thing that makes that arrogant is the fact that it's all relative. The cow's life goals might be to give a gallon of milk at once (or something). Now that may seem like nothing to us but that's the cow's life goal and it's just as important to it as our life goals are to us. >>


WTF??!!!


<< B) Next you call me arrogant and yet you have no objection to a fully grown cow being mutilated so you can eat it? Still you won't let the woman decide if she wants to raise a child or not. >>


How did the damn cows get in here? Those things are raised to be killed and to provide us with food. They are mutilated, yes, but after they are dead for god's sake! Oh, and if the woman doesn't want to raise a child another choice is adoption. She was careless enough to get pregnant, the least she can do is go through with the pregnancy and let the child live.

Abomination, I think your whole post was an abomination. :confused:
 

Abomination

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Oh... I forgot to a real story where an abortion would've saved more than one life.

My sister (Dini Fourmyle) was 17 and she got pregnant. She planned to go up to LA to get an abortion but she couldn't get the money so she had the baby. When the baby was born she took care of him (D'Ari) for about three years but when it got to the point where she had to have three jobs, she moved to Arizona in order to live with my other sister (Carina) so that she could get some money and come back. In that time I was in school and my little brother (D'Mitri) was in school so we had to get a baby sitter. We couldn't find one and two days before I started back up on school, my insane brother Billy shows up. Now, when I say insane. I'm talking Infu<kingsane (he's paranoid schitzofrentic so in other words, he's not crazy but everyone else is). He's sooo nice when you first meet him but after about 2 months of him living with him he was just acting waaay too crazy and we had to get a way to get him to leave but we couldn't (because if we just told him to leave he'd probably kill us[no joke]). But we had to keep him around because we had no one to watch D'Ari. So finally my other sister (Veronica), aged 21 at the time, comes to live with us in order to watch D'Ari but we still couldn't get Billy gone. I think the fact that we had Veronica come to live with us hinted to him that we want him gone so it just generated more anger in him. One day while I was sitting on the love seat of the living room, doing a report on Panama and Veronica was watching TV (with the sound level at a normal level) when Billy walks into the room, goes up to the TV as if he's going to turn the sound level down and he stops before doing it and asks Veronica, &quot;do you want me to turn the TV down?&quot; And Veronica says, &quot;no.&quot; You could see the anger in his eyes because they grew about 2x bigger than normal as he takes his left hand (he's left handed) and strangles Veronica up against the arm of the couch as hard as he can. I freak out (I'm like 13 at the time), my mom yells at Billy &quot;what are you doing.&quot; and he responds, &quot;I'm finishing her off.&quot; and Veronica puts both her hands on Billy's one hand in an effort to free her throat. Billy then, very dramatically, raises his right hand and punches Veronica in the face. After about 2 minutes, Veronica is unconscious, my mom has called the cops and Billy goes on the balcony and starts rambling to himself 10x louder than normal. D'Ari and I take cover in the bathroom (which has a doorlock) but I carry Veronica in there in hope that she's still alive. The cops get there but because it was a brother vs sister thing, they could only hold Billy in jail for 36 hours. WTF is that, 36 hours. We sent Veronica on a plane to Florida because she was so afraid of Billy and we tried to get Billy to stay in there longer so that they would commit him to a mental institution but we couldn't. Billy then moved to LA (where he normally lives) and lived off his social security money he gets every month for being insane. He did this for about 4 months until he committed suicide by drowing himself. As for my sister, she is now on lithium (or some kind of mental drug) because she's just never been the same as before that incident. btw, Billy was 35, Veronica is 22 and this would've never happened if Dini had an abortion in the first place. I had 8 siblings (5 sisters and 3 brothers) and now I have 7.
 

Abomination

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Cows are just being used as an example. People eat cows everyday and no one says anything but when it comes to the woman choosing that she does not want to give birth to a child (or give it up for adoption) we call it murder. I think that's arrogance. Why don't you read the whole post or atleast some previous posts so that you know what we're talking about.
 

Abomination

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Everything would be fine for you but you would've just killed and eaten an animal. Just because the dogma is that it's ok doesn't mean it is.

Now let's do some math because your math lesson had no relevance whatsoever.

3 animals - 1 animal = 2 animals
(In this case, it would be two people killing another person)

3 animals - 1 animal = 2 animals
(In this case it would be you eating a cow. We have one less cow in the world and you could've ate a veggie burger but you decided to be an ass)

good point blackhawk :) I'm tired of arguing, let's go get somethin to eat... I'm hungry... who do you have in mind for dinner tonight? I think that cheer leader's lookin mighty fine tonight.
 

Isla

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Abom, I hope everyone is ok now! ESPECIALLY D'Ari! I bet you anything that your sister does not regret having him. What Billy did is Billy's problem, trust me.

I have 3 kids I did not plan. Sure, I could have lived my life differently without them, but Oh, they are the light of my life!

I have said that I am not pro-life and I am not pro-choice. I stand by that because I do not feel I have a right to judge or to make a decision for anyone else but myself.

Life is hard, but you can choose to be happy and to find the goodness in all things. I speak from experience.
 

yata

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This concerns more on the social consequence of forbidding the killing of unwanted children. Yes, I made it sound ruthless. It is, if you think too much into it. However, to evaluate what happens in the long term makes pro-life more legitimate. You can fantasize about what dream system to get or top-of-the-line toys to play with, but when you reach down for your pockets and see quarter and dimes, your perspective change. That feeling is fleeting and so is your sympathy towards these babies, unless your religious beliefs allows you to constantly feel that way.

Poor baby too when it's borne. Ante-delivery, the parents or parent considering abortion had a reason for it... or had insufficient reason to raise him.

Shouldn't the religious people be okay with this? The unborne are going to heaven. Your condemning the woman more for her wrongdoings than thinking more for the kid. Is that persecution I see like the rest of religious phenomena in history?

How 'bout it?

 

jhu

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the thing with society is that it's ok to kill non-human animals. at least it's more acceptable than it is to kill a human. so although human embryos come from humans, they are not themselves human any more than a liver or placent is human.
 

Abomination

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Thanks for the consern Isla. Yea, D'Ari is nearly 6 now and he's in my house right now (we usually take him for the weekends now that Dini lives close) and I love every day that he's here. I just hope that he grows up to be himself and not what not what that incident may have morphed him into. My oldest brother (Billy) died a long time ago, it just took a while for his body to follow.
 

SuperTool

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<< My oldest brother (Billy) died a long time ago, it just took a while for his body to follow. >>


That is so sad.