Pro guns people in the USA

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MrPickins

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I'm too young to remember that.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen; open a history book. Remember:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana


Are you saying crime is in your[US mentality] blood, guns or no guns? Maybe.

Actually, yes. Americans on average are a violent people. getting rid of the guns (if such a thing were possible) wouldn't change that.


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Oh well shit that makes it completely irrelevant.

If only there was a famous quote about not remembering times past....hmmmm

I got you covered. (Can't assume the OP will know the quote, as he's not even aware of the history of his own nation)
 

shadow9d9

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You should consider cracking a history book and maybe you'll come to consider the importance of having an armed populace. The many millions that were disarmed and murdered by their own governments didn't think it would ever happen to them. Right up until the end.

That was a time of different technology. Good luck fighting drones with whatever pathetic guns you have.
 

OCGuy

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Actually, yes. Americans on average are a violent people. getting rid of the guns (if such a thing were possible) wouldn't change that.

Poor
Americans are a violent people, just like there is violence anywhere in the world there is poverty. There is nothing special about being born in the US that would make you more violent than anywhere else.

That was a time of different technology. Good luck fighting drones with whatever pathetic guns you have.

If a drone breaks into my house to steal my property or sexually assault my future child(ren), I will just off myself right then for you. Deal
 

Spungo

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I wonder why people tolerate dictators. Why didn't they try to vote out Kim Jong Il or Kim Il Sung?
 

rommelrommel

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I'm too young to remember that.



Are you saying crime is in your[US mentality] blood, guns or no guns? Maybe.

I don't live in the US.

You can make guns doubleplus unlegal in the USA and it won't stop the dirtbags from killing each other. See: Mexico.
 

highland145

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Guns are on TV. Monkey see monkey do.
Is that the explanation for the sideways gun holding crap?


OP I have a lot of guns. I have shot a couple of people and never been caught. You have to be smart about it. You have to erase the serial number off of the bullets 1st. Then drill the barrel so the grooves won't imprint on the bullet. You also need to have a catch bag for the casings on the automatic pistols. You won't want to try and find 20 casings in a rush. Do not add stupid crap like a suppressor or light rails...it draws attention. I like to pepper spray them 1st so they don't see the round coming.

:ninja:

Best of.
 

Doppel

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I don't why people in the US ignore statistics from around the world where access to guns is a lot more restricted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

For example the US has 40 times more deaths related to guns then the UK or Poland or 351 times more then hong-kong. Widespread access to guns only increases crime rates. It's a false sense of safety. It doesn't matter that you have a gun, because every common thug has it too. If I was a criminal and knew that about everybody owns a gun I would shoot and then rob the body instead of scaring the victim with a gun and force him to give his stuff away.

What's your argument?

ps. please refrain from posting if you want to make ad hominem attacks or otherwise can't behave yourself.
It's not so much the guns, it's the people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Tell me why Switzerland doesn't have a lot of gun crime. Or Norway.

Remove urban thugs from the picture (the US has a lot of those unfortunately) and suddenly the US seems a lot safer.

I won't say other countries have nothing to offer in regard to gun control and violence, but I will say you can't make sweeping generalizations. The US' demographics are very relevant.
 

Zorkorist

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Most of the world is sucking the dew off our dick.

What was the question?

Oh, it was a statement.

-John
 

Lepton87

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Freedom is valued highly in the US, it is our founding principle.

From what I hear it's eroding pretty quickly. Besides, how are you free if you can't even posses a small amount of narcotics for personal use? Not to mention electronic surveillance without a warrant.

It's sad how you are so ignorant and stupid that you made this request.

I won't even bother answering. Feeding the trolls is not my favorite pastime.

Switzerland is certainly an interesting case how unrestricted access to guns affects crime rates. Maybe it's not as much lax guns laws as mentality that drives those gun related deaths in the US. As for the UK, isn't the increasing crime rate party to blame on immigration, especially Muslims?

That doesn't mean it didn't happen; open a history book. Remember:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

Trust me, I know how communism ruined my country. Fortunately I was very young when it ended so I don't remember much. What's perplexing is that there are people here that say it was easier living back then. We always remember the past with pink-colored glasses.
 

Agent11

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Yes our freedoms have been under attack lately, many are not happy about it. Especially the definitions of personal effects that the government has been using to circumvent our right against unwarranted search and seizure, and their attempts to take away our right to bear arms.

As far as narcotics go you are pretty much free to use them, so long as you do not get caught with them. If it were illegal to use them rather than possess them you would could be jailed for testing positive, which is not the case. Being as most people recognize the dangers of using many of these drugs in excess this limitation of freedom is tolerated by the majority.
 
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Vic

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Why does this troll shit always come up? Gun laws have ZERO effect on gun crime. Case in point : private gun ownership is completely illegal in Venezuela while Caracas is the world's murder capital.
 

Texashiker

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<snip>

ps. please refrain from posting if you want to make ad hominem attacks or otherwise can't behave yourself.

Location: Poland(EU)

Wasn't your nation defeated by Germany in a couple of hours?

Gun violence is the price we pay for freedom.
 

Matt1970

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Why does this troll shit always come up? Gun laws have ZERO effect on gun crime. Case in point : private gun ownership is completely illegal in Venezuela while Caracas is the world's murder capital.

This x1000
 
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Myth: Britain has strict gun control and a low crime rate
Since gun banning has escalated in the UK, the rate of crime – especially violent crime – has risen.

Fact: Ironically, firearm use in crimes in the UK has doubled in the decade since handguns were banned.

Fact: Britain has the highest rate of violent crime in Europe, more so than the United States or even South Africa. They also have the second highest over all crime rate in the European Union. In 2008, Britain had a violent crime rate nearly five times higher than the United states (446 vs. 2034 per 100,000 population).

Fact: 67% of British residents surveyed believed that “As a result of gun and knife crime [rising], the area I live in is not as safe as it was five years ago.”

Fact: U.K. street robberies soared 28% in 2001. Violent crime was up 11%, murders up 4%, and rapes are up 14%.

Fact: In 1919, before they had any gun control, the U.K. had a homicide rate that was 8% of the U.S. rate. By 1986, and after enacting significant gun control, the rate was 9% – practically unchanged.

Fact: “... [There is] nothing in the statistics for England and Wales to suggest that either the stricter controls on handguns prior to 1997 or the ban imposed since have controlled access to such firearms by criminals

Fact: Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is fundamentally flawed. In America, a gun crime is recorded as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there. To make matters worse, British law enforcement has been exposed for falsifying criminal reports to create falsely lower crime figures, in part to preserve tourism.

Fact: An ongoing parliamentary inquiry in Britain into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million illegally held firearms in circulation – double the number believed to have been held 10 years ago – and that criminals are more willing than ever to use them. One in three criminals under the age of 25 possesses or has access to a firearm.

Fact: Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000, years after a virtual ban on private handgun ownership. More than 3,000 crimes involving handguns were recorded in 1999-2000, including the 42 homicides, 310 cases of attempted murder, 2,561 robberies and 204 burglaries.

Fact: Handguns were used in 3,685 British offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an increase of 40%. It is interesting to note: British Offenses in 2000 Offense category + from pre-ban Armed robbery 170.1% Kidnapping/abduction 144.0% Assault 130.9% Attempted murder 117.6% Sexual assault 112.6% • Of the 20 areas with the lowest number of legal firearms, 10 had an above average level of “gun crime.” • Of the 20 areas with the highest levels of legal guns, only 2 had armed crime levels above the average. Fact: Between 1997 and 1999, there were 429 murders in London, the highest two-year figure for more than 10 years – nearly two-thirds of those involved firearms – in a country that has virtually banned private firearm ownership.

Fact: Over the last century, the British crime rate was largely unchanged. In the late nineteenth century, the per capita homicide rate in Britain was between 1.0 and 1.5 per 100,000.27 In the late twentieth century, after a near ban on gun ownership, the homicide rate is around 1.4. This implies that the homicide rate did not vary with either the level of gun control or gun availability.

Fact: The U.K. has strict gun control and a rising homicide rate of 1.4 per 100,000. Switzerland has the highest per capita firearm ownership rate on the planet (all males age 20 to 42 are required to keep rifles or pistols at home) and has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. To date, there has never been a schoolyard massacre in Switzerland.

Fact: “The scale of gun crime in the capital [London] has forced senior officers to set up a specialist unit to deal with ... shootings.

1 Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis, Jeffery A. Miron, Department of Economics, Boston University, University of Chicago Press Journal of Law & Economics
2 Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries, The Times
3 Minutes of Evidence, Colin Greenwood, Select Committee on Northern Ireland Affairs
4 In Switzerland, handguns are obtainable once a person obtains a simple police permit which is valid for six months. Federal law over weapons, weapon accessories and ammunition (weapon law, WG), Federal Assembly of the Swiss Confederation.
5 Carol Kalish, International Crime Rates, Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report (Washington: Department of Justice).
6 Army rifles remain racked at home, Swiss Defense Ministry statement.
7 Chocolates for guns? Brazil targets gun violence, Rubem César Fernandes, executive secretary of Viva Rio, a nongovernmental agency that studies urban crime, Christian Science Monitor.
8 Homicide trends in the United States, U.S. data: Bureau of Justice Statistics. Brazil data: Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.
9 Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine Transaction, 1997, at 360.
10 Juristat: Crime Statistics in Canada, 2004 and FBI Uniform Crime Statistics online.
11 Criminal Victimization in Seventeen Industrialized Countries, Dutch Ministry of Justice.
12 A Comparison of Violent and Firearm Crime Rates in the Canadian Prairie Provinces and Four U.S. Border States, 1961-2003, Parliamentary Research Branch of the Library of Parliament.
13 National Report by Finland, United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs. 14 Pekka-Eric Auvinen shooting in Tuusula, Finland.
15 Weapons sell for just £50 as suspects and victims grow ever younger, The Times.
16 The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S., Daily Mail, citing a joint report of the European Commission and United Nations.
17 YouGov survey of 2,156 residents.
18 British Home Office, reported by BBC.
19 Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine Transaction.
20 Minutes of Evidence, Colin Greenwood, Select Committee on Northern Ireland Affairs.
21 Fear in Britain, Gallant, Hills, Kopel, Independence Institute.
22 Crime Figures a Sham, Say Police, Daily Telegraph.
23 Reported in The Guardian.
24 42 killed by handguns last year, The Times, reporting on statistics supplied by the British Home Office.
25 Illegal Firearms in the UK, Centre for Defense Studies at King's College in London.
26 Ibid.
27 Crime and Society in England 1750-1900, Clive Emsley, at 36.
28 Where Kids and Guns Do Mix, Stephen P. Halbrook, Wall Street Journal, June 1999. 29 Ibid. 30 Associated News Media.

the most telling statistic is the percentage of violent crime in britain vs the u.s., the u.s. is not even close. (violent crime consists of the use of any weapon, including guns). guess my answer would be i'd rather be shot than clubbed to death.

thanks.
 

shortylickens

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Most of the world is sucking the dew off our dick.

What was the question?

Oh, it was a statement.

-John

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