Private Sector loans caused housing bubble, not Fannie/Freddie

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html

i'm surprised people here are still spewing rush limbaugh talking points. It makes for a good story: government wanted to help minorities and other low income people loans for homes and that caused the bubble, only problem is, those fannie/freddie loans made up a very small percentage of the subprime mortages in the country, the overwhelming majority of them are from private sector loans:

Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis
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By David Goldstein and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON ? As the economy worsens and Election Day approaches, a conservative campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable to lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and e-mail.

Commentators say that's what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They've specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie's and Freddie's financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

* More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

* Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

* Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.

Conservative critics claim that the Clinton administration pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make home ownership more available to riskier borrowers with little concern for their ability to pay the mortgages.

"I don't remember a clarion call that said Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster," said Neil Cavuto of Fox News.

Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.

It's a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.

This much is true. In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.

To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.

But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.

Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

In 1999, the year many critics charge that the Clinton administration pressured Fannie and Freddie, the private sector sold into the secondary market just 18 percent of all mortgages.

Fueled by low interest rates and cheap credit, home prices between 2001 and 2007 galloped beyond anything ever seen, and that fueled demand for mortgage-backed securities, the technical term for mortgages that are sold to a company, usually an investment bank, which then pools and sells them into the secondary mortgage market.

About 70 percent of all U.S. mortgages are in this secondary mortgage market, according to the Federal Reserve.

Conservative critics also blame the subprime lending mess on the Community Reinvestment Act, a 31-year-old law aimed at freeing credit for underserved neighborhoods.

Congress created the CRA in 1977 to reverse years of redlining and other restrictive banking practices that locked the poor, and especially minorities, out of homeownership and the tax breaks and wealth creation it affords. The CRA requires federally regulated and insured financial institutions to show that they're lending and investing in their communities.

Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote recently that while the goal of the CRA was admirable, "it led to tremendous pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ? who in turn pressured banks and other lenders ? to extend mortgages to people who were borrowing over their heads. That's called subprime lending. It lies at the root of our current calamity."

Fannie and Freddie, however, didn't pressure lenders to sell them more loans; they struggled to keep pace with their private sector competitors. In fact, their regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, imposed new restrictions in 2006 that led to Fannie and Freddie losing even more market share in the booming subprime market.

What's more, only commercial banks and thrifts must follow CRA rules. The investment banks don't, nor did the now-bankrupt non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest that underwrote most of the subprime loans.

These private non-bank lenders enjoyed a regulatory gap, allowing them to be regulated by 50 different state banking supervisors instead of the federal government. And mortgage brokers, who also weren't subject to federal regulation or the CRA, originated most of the subprime loans.

In a speech last March, Janet Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, debunked the notion that the push for affordable housing created today's problems.

"Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans," she said. "The CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households."

In a book on the sub-prime lending collapse published in June 2007, the late Federal Reserve Governor Ed Gramlich wrote that only one-third of all CRA loans had interest rates high enough to be considered sub-prime and that to the pleasant surprise of commercial banks there were low default rates. Banks that participated in CRA lending had found, he wrote, "that this new lending is good business."
 

miketheidiot

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people have been making this point for months, and it has gotten nowhere, because blaming fannie/freddie is to convenient an ideological excuse for many people.
 

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Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

 

frostedflakes

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Been posted numerous times, but probably worth posting again, as I still see this misinformation thrown around. CRA probably contributed to the subprime crisis, but it wasn't the sole cause.
 

JSt0rm

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i've never seen this before so thanks for posting. i don't really follow this aspect of the apocalypse as much as I should.
 

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Yup, read the first few paragraphs and just a solid repeat of what has been known for a while.

EDIT: Also, no doubt, we'll never see the resident libertarians here admit that while government intervention can sometimes lead to mistakes, that the alternative of letting private companies run wild with little regulation leads to companies like Lehman, AIG, etc. going insolvent and causing far more havoc than over-regulation like SOX. Even worse, logical fallacies are used to make excuses for why these private companies went bankrupt; my favorite is that, because the Fed over-aggressively intervened with interest rate cuts earlier in the decade, that that led Lehman, AIG, etc. to make wild risks they wouldn't have taken. Of course, no mention of how thousands of other banks, hedge funds, etc. were able to avoid such incredible risks and do brilliantly by comparison. :laugh:
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Evan
Yup, read the first few paragraphs and just a solid repeat of what has been known for a while.

EDIT: Also, no doubt, we'll never see the resident libertarians here admit that while government intervention can sometimes lead to mistakes, that the alternative of letting private companies run wild with little regulation leads to companies like Lehman, AIG, etc. going insolvent and causing far more havoc than over-regulation like SOX. Even worse, logical fallacies are used to make excuses for why these private companies went bankrupt; my favorite is that, because the Fed over-aggressively intervened with interest rate cuts earlier in the decade, that that led Lehman, AIG, etc. to make wild risks they wouldn't have taken. Of course, no mention of how thousands of other banks, hedge funds, etc. were able to avoid such incredible risks and do brilliantly by comparison. :laugh:

I highly doubt cognitive dissonance will even allow them to read this far even :)
 

Genx87

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Before we start sucking these two entities off. Lets remember both were taken over by the feds because they were insolvent.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Before we start sucking these two entities off. Lets remember both were taken over by the feds because they were insolvent.

Barney?
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?
 

Atreus21

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Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.

I have a question about this quote.

I read somewhere that this happened; that Fannie/Freddie guaranteed subprime loans made by private institutions. That seems to me to be a problem, if subprime loans are naturally more risky.

I am no economist. But basic reasoning leads to me to think that if the government told a bank it could be as irreponsible with its lending practices as it pleased, and have that lending guaranteed, then private institutions would do exactly that.

If a private bank, then, in the knowledge that a subprime loan is guaranteed by FM/FM, lends money to anyone they please regardless of their financial situation, one would think demand would summarily rise, and with it prices, and there you have a bubble.

Is this incorrect?
 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Exactly.. banks would not have made these loans if they new FM/FM were not going to buy them and they weren't mandated to do so. Government at worst forced private banks to do this and at best HIGHLY encouraged them to do it. Yet we now look to government for the solution.
 

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Always interesting what you can find when you take the time to follow a river upstream.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Always interesting what you can find when you take the time to follow a river upstream.

Shhhhh, don't interrupt the circle jerk with logic.
 

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That article is a classic example of a bubble. The conditions are set initially by innoucuos or seemingly harmless practices/regulations/etc...

Then, we have a GSE who is implicitly guaranteeing loans to low income people via a sub-prime tool. This tool is then seized upon by others to finance loans on higher priced properties - McMansions etc... for people who normally could not afford those either.

At this point, the roller coaster is now going up. Others jump into the act. Investment banks, other lending institutions jump in so they don't miss the gravy train. Unscrupulous lenders appear to add to the mix. Freddie/Fannie percentages now go down as the article says because the mania has spread everywhere as the last ones on the train jump in. The last two years or so (2004/5/6) the mortgage market exploded - again classic bubble effect.

Then the rollercoaster hits the peak and people on it see what is coming and now there is no way off. The dive to the bottom begins.

Maybe oversimplified but that is in essence what we have. Greed driven originally by a well intentioned program (CRA) that morphed into a very ugly entity backed by GSE guarantees, and we have the mess we have today.

So yes, in a sense, CRA was the start. But other things had to happen as well. As I said earlier, no one's hands are clean here.
 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Originators were making these loans knowing someone would buy them.

What the above article is addressing is the fact that private banks were also buying these loans. The originators were selling these loans to the GSEs and other private banks. It was a failure on everyone's part to properly assess the risk. Actually, in my opinion the banks and GSEs were aware of the risk, but like all irrational exuberance, they chose to ignore it.

In fact, the article claims that the GSEs only accounted for 1/3 of loans securitized in 2005 and 2006. It also claims that in 2006, the GSEs only held 24% of subprime loans on the secondary market. They were not the enablers people like to think.

I think this bubble was really driven by securitization. There was a lot of capital looking for returns and the bubble provided this, until it didn't. Yes, the GSEs certainly bought mortgages, but apparently not a rate that competes with the private investment banks.
 

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Exactly.. banks would not have made these loans if they new FM/FM were not going to buy them and they weren't mandated to do so. Government at worst forced private banks to do this and at best HIGHLY encouraged them to do it. Yet we now look to government for the solution.

And the private investment banks that accounted for most of the buying in the secondary market, do they hold responsibility?
 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Always interesting what you can find when you take the time to follow a river upstream.

And if you read the article, you'd see that when followed upstream it was private investment banks that were doing most of the buying of the subprime mortgages, not the GSEs. Don't get me wrong, the GSEs made poor decisions but this was predominantly a failure of the private sector in assessing and accounting for risk, either by ignorance or greed.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks ? not Fannie and Freddie ? dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Well then why did Fannie/Freddy Mae/Mac crash?

They still made poor choices. The point is that all lenders were making poor choices, not just the GSEs. The private banks were just as stupid and contributed to this mess more than the GSEs.

Perhaps, but if they made those loans in the knowledge that FM/FM were going to buy them off their hands, you have to give a pretty baleful look at the policy that led to FM/FM doing this.

I don't think private banks would've made those loans if they thought they'd have to assume the responsibility themselves.

But the CRA mandating this puts implicit pressure on a private bank. Once any private bank submits to this program, the other will follow suit just to remain competitive.

Again, this opinion is based off one microeconomics class I've taken.

Originators were making these loans knowing someone would buy them.

What the above article is addressing is the fact that private banks were also buying these loans. The originators were selling these loans to the GSEs and other private banks. It was a failure on everyone's part to properly assess the risk. Actually, in my opinion the banks and GSEs were aware of the risk, but like all irrational exuberance, they chose to ignore it.

In fact, the article claims that the GSEs only accounted for 1/3 of loans securitized in 2005 and 2006. It also claims that in 2006, the GSEs only held 24% of subprime loans on the secondary market. They were not the enablers people like to think.

I think this bubble was really driven by securitization. There was a lot of capital looking for returns and the bubble provided this, until it didn't. Yes, the GSEs certainly bought mortgages, but apparently not a rate that competes with the private investment banks.

Well, then why did securitization happen at all? Would the banks have securitized the bad debt in the absence of the CRA?

I bet they wouldn't have.