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Prisoner: I cleaned up skin of inmate scalded in shower

Joiner thought he pretty much had seen it all, from guards nearly starving prisoners to death, to taunting and beating them unconscious while handcuffed for sport. He recalls one inmate was paid a pack of cigarettes to attack one sick inmate whose only offense was to ask if their mail could be delivered before bedtime.
But Joiner, a 46-year-old convicted killer, saw something that morning that shook even him to his core.
On the floor of a small shower stall he was ordered to clean, he saw a single blue canvas shoe and what he later realized was large chunks of human skin.
The skin belonged to Darren Rainey, a 50-year-old mentally-ill prisoner whom the guards had handcuffed and locked in the cell the night before. Witnesses and DOC reports indicate Rainey was left in the scalding hot water for hours, allegedly as punishment for defecating in his cell.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/25/4200651/for-prison-shower-death-inquiry.html


There's a petition. https://www.change.org/petitions/at...su8yn3Rx1QkBeQqZVXRprEg0QCHcbKtPmQQMbaoYRN6Tl


Seems like fuckhead Florida has a serious correctional problem. These correctional officers are no better than the inmates they guard.
 
Crazy stuff, given the nature of jails a lot of this stuff probably never actually makes it out, makes you wonder what other crazy stuff that goes on.

If I was being convicted of something and could face jail time I would disappear before I'm held captive and can't act. Rather die in the wilderness than go to jail.

Sadly because the prison guards/police and other authorities are above the law and their word is higher than the inmate' nothing will ever get done about this kind of stuff. The judge will just believe them before the inmates or public and the case will be dismissed and whoever in the jail did let this leak will probably be killed too.
 
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this was in the ill fated police thread.

still its a horrible thing to happen and everyone involved should be thrown in to a volcano.
 
Witnesses would later say that after two hours, at temperatures of 180 degrees, Rainey collapsed, with his skin peeling from his body. Rainey, who was serving a two-year term for possession of drugs, was carried to the prison’s infirmary where a nurse later said his body temperature was so high it couldn’t be measured with a thermometer.
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DCI Warden Jerry Cummings has not commented publicly. But in a written statement last week he said the prison system has no tolerance for inmate abuse and has “a strong track record of taking immediate, decisive action” when law enforcement provides them with evidence of criminal wrongdoing.
Oh really? Is that some new thing they're starting up?

 
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Those guards need to be in prison. Between the shit in that article and the stuff going on at Riker's Island in NYC, and all we're getting out of these clowns is lip service. I understand that jail and prison aren't going to be nice places, but when people are in effectively in the care of the state, we must protect them from abuse.

I find it utterly appalling that guards are abusing prisoners, and effectively doing it in our name, since we, as a society, set up the prisons and put those monsters in charge.
 
Some time back, the mental hospitals almost disappeared, and the mentally ill began to be put in prison or just left to the locals to deal with. Court rulings reduced the ability to keep the mentally ill in a facility unless they were violent.

So most end up on the streets, and get arrested for some petty crime or other.

Prisons have little training on what to do with the mentally ill. I would guess they get punished a lot more in prison because of their out of the ordinary behavior.

Wiki: In 1955 for every 100,000 US citizens there was 340 psychiatric hospital beds. In 2005 that number had diminished to 17 per 100,000.
 
Some time back, the mental hospitals almost disappeared, and the mentally ill began to be put in prison or just left to the locals to deal with. Court rulings reduced the ability to keep the mentally ill in a facility unless they were violent.

So most end up on the streets, and get arrested for some petty crime or other.

Prisons have little training on what to do with the mentally ill. I would guess they get punished a lot more in prison because of their out of the ordinary behavior.

Wiki: In 1955 for every 100,000 US citizens there was 340 psychiatric hospital beds. In 2005 that number had diminished to 17 per 100,000.


True that. luckily I went to a mental hospital rather than a damn jail for depression.
 
Having worked in a jail, I can honestly say that if this goes on in any system, it is a complete a total failure of the system from top to bottom. There is zero chance the administration did not know about this. Its just not possible.
 
Some time back, the mental hospitals almost disappeared, and the mentally ill began to be put in prison or just left to the locals to deal with. Court rulings reduced the ability to keep the mentally ill in a facility unless they were violent.

So most end up on the streets, and get arrested for some petty crime or other.

Prisons have little training on what to do with the mentally ill. I would guess they get punished a lot more in prison because of their out of the ordinary behavior.

Wiki: In 1955 for every 100,000 US citizens there was 340 psychiatric hospital beds. In 2005 that number had diminished to 17 per 100,000.
"Oh good, we have psychoactive medications now. Mental health problems have all been cured! I guess there's no need to provide funding for psychiatric hospitals anymore..."






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A friend of mine worked in as a prison for a while. Nothing even close to this type of stuff happened. That must be one really, really fscked up institution.

Mind you, he wasn't in the US.
 
Re: "at temperatures of 180 degrees". Any shower (or faucet) hot water temperature over 130 degrees F. means that whoever maintains the jail's hot water system wasn't doing their job properly.
 
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Re: "at temperatures of 180 degrees". Any shower (or faucet) hot water temperature over 130 degrees F. means that whoever maintains the jail's hot water system wasn't doing their job properly.
Isn't 185 at Starbucks "extra hot"? I'm surprised he lived long enough to make it to the infirmary getting basically scalding hot coffee poured over his whole body for that long.
 
This is the definition of real shitty situation all around. You've got some real shitty in there willing to show their attitude in all manners at all time, and you got a collection of personel watching them with minimal training, in facilities that are over utilized, and at mediocre pay rates.
 
Sounds like a mistake, most likely it was 130F.

This from a google search.
An approximate one-second exposure to 160° F water will result in third degree burns.1 Where the water is 130° F, an approximate half-minute exposure will result in third degree burns.2 This is the reason that the Consumer Product Safety Commission suggests that water heaters be set to a maximum temperature of 120° F, even though an approximate ten minute expsoure to water heated to this temperature can result in third degree burns.

A safe temperature for hot water is 110° F, which exposure to results in third degree burns in approximately ten hours.3 Even though this is a 'relatively-safe' temperature, exposure to water set at 110° F is painful; the human pain threshold is around 106-108° F.
 
180°F has got to be a typo. That is so incredibly hot, he wouldn't have lasted more than a few seconds.

With that said, the water shouldn't have even been able to hit anywhere close to that.

I know a lot of prisons are adopting a policy of interaction with prisoners must be recorded at all times. I had a friend who was a guard and he said camera duty day was the worst. You had to carry around an old, heavy camera for hours. Just filming guards, so they don't act up.
 
Yeah, if he'd been left under 180 degree water for hours it would kill him quickly and he'd be burned beyond recognition.
 
Our prison systems are pretty corrupt the whole way through. Locking up people for profit and then subjecting them horrible conditions about as low as humanity gets.

This case is horrible and not the norm, but given the guy was mentally ill and he really shouldn't have been there in the first place...


Called to mind this experiment regarding behavior of guards. Their position corrupts them.

Stanford Prison Experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

The Stanford prison experiment (SPE) was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted at Stanford University from August 14–20, 1971, by a team of researchers led by psychology professor Philip Zimbardo.[1] It was funded by the US Office of Naval Research[2] and was of interest to both the US Navy and Marine Corps as an investigation into the causes of conflict between military guards and prisoners.

Twenty-four male students out of seventy-five were selected to take on randomly assigned roles of prisoners and guards in a mock prison situated in the basement of the Stanford psychology building. The participants adapted to their roles well beyond Zimbardo's expectations, as the guards enforced authoritarian measures and ultimately subjected some of the prisoners to psychological torture. Many of the prisoners passively accepted psychological abuse and, at the request of the guards, readily harassed other prisoners who attempted to prevent it. The experiment even affected Zimbardo himself, who, in his role as the superintendent, permitted the abuse to continue. Two of the prisoners quit the experiment early and the entire experiment was abruptly stopped after only six days. Certain portions of the experiment were filmed and excerpts of footage are publicly available.

More in the link.
 
Sounds like a mistake, most likely it was 130F.

This from a google search.
An approximate one-second exposure to 160° F water will result in third degree burns.1 Where the water is 130° F, an approximate half-minute exposure will result in third degree burns.2 This is the reason that the Consumer Product Safety Commission suggests that water heaters be set to a maximum temperature of 120° F, even though an approximate ten minute expsoure to water heated to this temperature can result in third degree burns.

A safe temperature for hot water is 110° F, which exposure to results in third degree burns in approximately ten hours.3 Even though this is a 'relatively-safe' temperature, exposure to water set at 110° F is painful; the human pain threshold is around 106-108° F.
Don't know where you got those numbers, but I could comfortably hold a 65 deg C flask in my hand for many minutes, and 160 deg F is 71 deg C. 75 deg C got uncomfortable but I could hold it for a few seconds....3rd degree burns? Lulz.
 
Having worked in a jail, I can honestly say that if this goes on in any system, it is a complete a total failure of the system from top to bottom. There is zero chance the administration did not know about this. Its just not possible.

I'm taking your words literally here, so I will say that a jail is several orders of magnitude different than a prison.

Prisons are rife with corruption and malfeasance. Most are so large and so underfunded that these kinds of things can and will happen and no one but the guilty parties will know or think any different.

Our entire penal system needs to be relooked, starting with mandatory sentencing for drugs.
 
Sounds like a mistake, most likely it was 130F.

This from a google search.
An approximate one-second exposure to 160° F water will result in third degree burns.1 Where the water is 130° F, an approximate half-minute exposure will result in third degree burns.2 This is the reason that the Consumer Product Safety Commission suggests that water heaters be set to a maximum temperature of 120° F, even though an approximate ten minute expsoure to water heated to this temperature can result in third degree burns.

A safe temperature for hot water is 110° F, which exposure to results in third degree burns in approximately ten hours.3 Even though this is a 'relatively-safe' temperature, exposure to water set at 110° F is painful; the human pain threshold is around 106-108° F.

Chances are water heaters can be set higher though, there's usually a warning. The staff probably just went to crank it all the way to max.

Though 180F is VERY hot. I just checked my water heater's water and it's at 54C which is 129F and mine is actually set a notch into the "warning" area. 180F is 82C. Just shy of 20 (real) degrees below boiling point. 😱
 
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