Princeton Prof: Democrats badly underestimated Trump

[SP33Demon]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/opinions/democrats-badly-underestimated-trump-zelizer/index.html

You read right, that's an opinion piece on CNN by a Princeton Professor giving Trump his dues.

Last week's Gallup polls and the results of Tuesday's Republican primaries in South Carolina and New York are also strong indications that his political support remains much more substantial than Democrats had expected.
In the months that followed the inauguration, the conventional wisdom had been that as his national approval ratings kept falling, his political support within the GOP would follow. But we can see from the recent polling that Republican support for the President remains rock-solid and seems to be getting stronger.
Despite all of his chaotic and controversial decisions, his national approval ratings in some polls have even crept upward to the range of 45%. With a low rate of unemployment and a booming stock market, there is reason to believe that those numbers might hold fairly steady.

Who's laughing now? Trump is crushing it so bad that even your ivory towers like Princeton have to bow down and kiss the ring. Nobody here will even bet me on a 2020 presidency because it's already looking like a reality. A 28-yr old bartender just made a mockery out of the #4 most powerful Democrat who was supposed to replace Pelosi. The economy is booming and we are seeing unemployment lows that we haven't seen in decades across all demographics proving that money talks, BS walks. And that BS includes skin color, the environment, foreign policy, climate change (chortle), safe spaces, sjw's, pc incels, ZOMGRUSSIA, ZOMGMUELLER, ZOMGSTORMY, etc. Money > all. Trump knew that and played you clowns for suckers. Save it for the birds, Democrats. We smoked you fair and square and will now use your own weapon against you (thanks Harry Reid) to replace Justice Kennedy. Hey, look on the bright side, there's always the UK or Canada if you can't take it.

 

[glenn1]

Captain Obvious to the rescue with such an astute observation as "Democrats underestimated Trump." The mere fact that he's POTUS now shows that. They got the part right about him being an intolerant hack who would be in completely over his head in the job, however it's also obvious they underestimated what level of cunning he has and the relative success he's had in tapping into the frustrations of millions of people.

 

[Sunburn74]

You know people in Russia are saying the same thing about Putin. As he is murdering people secretly, stealing billions from the Russian people, and torturing his opposition in prisons, his supporters are gloating to his non supporters that he just won his 6th term.

 

[Blackjack200]

Really dispelling the theory that Trumpism is just a politics of resentment and hatred there. Great job.

there's always the UK or Canada if you can't take it.

You clearly can. Just be careful, you wouldn't want to end up with a perforated rectum.

 

[Phenzyn]

Just when you think incorruptible is such a nut job, there simply can't be someone dumber. Of cource its l33t demon who says HMB

Nobody here will even bet me on a 2020 presidency because it's already looking like a reality.

LOL. How do you bet on an online forum? Is it bragging rights? Because really. If Trump even makes it to 2020 and isn't impeached, the only way he gets re-elected is if the kids just stay home again. Which isn't unlikely. People don't vote, and when they are under the heel of a fascist dictator, a lot of people just accept defeat.

Every republican in my entire lifetime (not just since I could vote) has lost the popular vote and still won, so how are millennial's supposed to feel when that is what happens? In my state, Hillary won by like 5 points so .... I think a lot of people just don't think it matters.

 

[SP33Demon]

Really dispelling the theory that Trumpism is just a politics of resentment and hatred there. Great job.



You clearly can. Just be careful, you wouldn't want to end up with a perforated rectum.

You should know I have no problems gloating, which is a lot different than hating. I actually hate RINOs vs dislike Dems, at least Dems are honest and will tell you how they really feel. Hell I'm married to an entire family of Dems, I know how to handle you guys.

 

[SP33Demon]

You know people in Russia are saying the same thing about Putin. As he is murdering people secretly, stealing billions from the Russian people, and torturing his opposition in prisons, his supporters are gloating to his non supporters that he just won his 6th term.

If Trump had billions to steal he'd be giving it to the middle class or military. Also he needs money like he needs a hole in the head, Trump Org had a 50% profit margin last year (more than Apple). Would love to see proof of this surreptitious murdering and torturing of opponents you speak of unless you mean metaphorically (then agreed).

 

[Fardringle]

Every republican in my entire lifetime (not just since I could vote) has lost the popular vote and still won, so how are millennial's supposed to feel when that is what happens? In my state, Hillary won by like 5 points so .... I think a lot of people just don't think it matters.

Unless you were born after 2004 (and therefore not eligible to vote yet), that's not true.

Only five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016.

So, while it is true for George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016, Bush actually won the popular vote by 3,012,166 votes over John Kerry in 2004.

 

[Jhhnn]

Captain Obvious to the rescue with such an astute observation as "Democrats underestimated Trump." The mere fact that he's POTUS now shows that. They got the part right about him being an intolerant hack who would be in completely over his head in the job, however it's also obvious they underestimated what level of cunning he has and the relative success he's had in tapping into the frustrations of millions of people.

Trump is the world's greatest con artist. And it's really quite obvious to anybody not caught up in it. His innate talent was obvious 25 years ago.

We didn't underestimate Trump, anyway. We just badly overestimated our fellow Americans, sad to say. It didn't help that a lot of people already succumbed to decades of relentless right wing mind rot, either. Trump couldn't have done it without that & without a little help from Putin's boys, either. About the best thing that can be said about it is that it probably seemed like a good idea at the time & that conservatives are often loyal to a fault.

 

[JSt0rm]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/opinions/democrats-badly-underestimated-trump-zelizer/index.html

You read right, that's an opinion piece on CNN by a Princeton Professor giving Trump his dues.



Who's laughing now? Trump is crushing it so bad that even your ivory towers like Princeton have to bow down and kiss the ring. Nobody here will even bet me on a 2020 presidency because it's already looking like a reality. A 28-yr old bartender just made a mockery out of the #4 most powerful Democrat who was supposed to replace Pelosi. The economy is booming and we are seeing unemployment lows that we haven't seen in decades across all demographics proving that money talks, BS walks. And that BS includes skin color, the environment, foreign policy, climate change (chortle), safe spaces, sjw's, pc incels, ZOMGRUSSIA, ZOMGMUELLER, ZOMGSTORMY, etc. Money > all. Trump knew that and played you clowns for suckers. Save it for the birds, Democrats. We smoked you fair and square and will now use your own weapon against you (thanks Harry Reid) to replace Justice Kennedy. Hey, look on the bright side, there's always the UK or Canada if you can't take it.

speeddemon smert libtard dum

 

[JSt0rm]

Unless you were born after 2004 (and therefore not eligible to vote yet), that's not true.

Only five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016.

So, while it is true for George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016, Bush actually won the popular vote by 3,012,166 votes over John Kerry in 2004.

trump won the popular vote if you remove all the illegal brown people votes.

 

[SP33Demon]

Trump is the world's greatest con artist. And it's really quite obvious to anybody not caught up in it. His innate talent was obvious 25 years ago.

We didn't underestimate Trump, anyway. We just badly overestimated our fellow Americans, sad to say. It didn't help that a lot of people already succumbed to decades of relentless right wing mind rot, either. Trump couldn't have done it without that & without a little help from Putin's boys, either. About the best thing that can be said about it is that it probably seemed like a good idea at the time & that conservatives are often loyal to a fault.

Oh, you saw the Larry King 1987 interview?
https://youtu.be/A8wJc7vHcTs

I find it incredible that he had virtually the exact same beliefs back then as he has now (though he seems a little sharper back then than he is now). Not sure how you can say he's a "con artist" especially after talking about how he built housing for the poor. He legitimately cared about our country in 1987. Trump is the guy who most guys aspire to be financially to the point where he can also defend our country when it's getting taken advantage of. This is where everything (albeit sometimes extreme) stems from - tough on illegal immigration, tough on trade, tough on terrorists, tough on over-regulation that stifles business, and wanting everyone in the country to be employed. In each scenario there are people who are trying to harm or take advantage of us, often financially or physically. He has been consistent for 30yrs and I think that deserves respect despite him being misguided at times. He sticks to his guns while other politicians are simply 2-faced snakes. This interview shows that very clearly.

 

[Phenzyn]

Unless you were born after 2004 (and therefore not eligible to vote yet), that's not true.

Only five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016.

So, while it is true for George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016, Bush actually won the popular vote by 3,012,166 votes over John Kerry in 2004.

I suppose you are correct but since 2 of those 5 are in my life time, it's pretty scary.

Do you think it's coincidence that it's happened twice in 16 years and only 3 times in the previous 200+ before that? Or is it the perfection of gerrymandering by the Republicans to utilize the power of the electoral college differently in modern times?

And also since Bush was elected in 2000 while losing the popular vote, and potentially even more insidious with what happened in Florida. He would have never been around to be reelected in 2004.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, you saw the Larry King 1987 interview?
https://youtu.be/A8wJc7vHcTs

I find it incredible that he had virtually the exact same beliefs back then as he has now (though he seems a little sharper back then than he is now). Not sure how you can say he's a "con artist" especially after talking about how he built housing for the poor. He legitimately cared about our country in 1987. Trump is the guy who most guys aspire to be financially to the point where he can also defend our country when it's getting taken advantage of. This is where everything (albeit sometimes extreme) stems from - tough on illegal immigration, tough on trade, tough on terrorists, tough on over-regulation that stifles business, and wanting everyone in the country to be employed. In each scenario there are people who are trying to harm or take advantage of us, often financially or physically. He has been consistent for 30yrs and I think that deserves respect despite him being misguided at times. He sticks to his guns while other politicians are simply 2-faced snakes. This interview shows that very clearly.

It's remarkable you'd come up with that. You've had a lot of practice at this trolling thing, huh?

All your patriotic rah-rah fades when we remember Trump gloated about not paying taxes during a nationally televised debate. Because he's smart, remember? He screwed everybody & their little dogs so hard with his casino adventure that Wall St wouldn't do business with him & got $900M in tax credits out of the deal, too. He's also stiffed more people than either one of us have ever met, including the Freedom Kids for a lousy $2500.

And we're supposed to trust him because he blusters well? Really?

 

[shortylickens]

Not all the Democrats.

Bill knew they werent doing enough to appeal to regular middle America. He told them all the time. They didnt listen. They lost.

 

[SP33Demon]

It's remarkable you'd come up with that. You've had a lot of practice at this trolling thing, huh?

All your patriotic rah-rah fades when we remember Trump gloated about not paying taxes during a nationally televised debate. Because he's smart, remember? He screwed everybody & their little dogs so hard with his casino adventure that Wall St wouldn't do business with him & got $900M in tax credits out of the deal, too. He's also stiffed more people than either one of us have ever met, including the Freedom Kids for a lousy $2500.

And we're supposed to trust him because he blusters well? Really?

I'm fine with tax shelters, hell I have offshore companies that are legit tax shelters. When Trump gets hit with tax evasion then we can talk, until then it's all hot air. He was smart enough to do something that you could've done, but you're jealous about it? Why not just get better financial advice and do it yourself? Also, I hope you're going to stop buying Amazon (and countless other companies) b/c they participate in the same exact practices of tax shelters and credits from the government. Until criminal charges are brought forth, it's just faux outrage and jealousy.

 

[IronWing]

I'm fine with tax shelters, hell I have offshore companies that are legit tax shelters.

So you are America-hating scum, got it.

Trump is the guy who most guys aspire to be financially to the point where he can also defend our country when it's getting taken advantage of.

When is he coming after you?

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm fine with tax shelters, hell I have offshore companies that are legit tax shelters. When Trump gets hit with tax evasion then we can talk, until then it's all hot air. He was smart enough to do something that you could've done, but you're jealous about it? Why not just get better financial advice and do it yourself? Also, I hope you're going to stop buying Amazon (and countless other companies) b/c they participate in the same exact practices of tax shelters and credits from the government. Until criminal charges are brought forth, it's just faux outrage and jealousy.

Yeh, all patriots gloat over not paying taxes, right?

Not to mention that inheriting a real estate empire probably gives a guy a little boost, huh?

I'm not jealous of Trump. I wouldn't be Trump. I decided long ago that if that's what it takes to be "a success" then I wanted no part of it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Looks like the turd in the punchbowl has resurfaced.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/opinions/democrats-badly-underestimated-trump-zelizer/index.html

You read right, that's an opinion piece on CNN by a Princeton Professor giving Trump his dues.



Who's laughing now? Trump is crushing it so bad that even your ivory towers like Princeton have to bow down and kiss the ring. Nobody here will even bet me on a 2020 presidency because it's already looking like a reality. A 28-yr old bartender just made a mockery out of the #4 most powerful Democrat who was supposed to replace Pelosi. The economy is booming and we are seeing unemployment lows that we haven't seen in decades across all demographics proving that money talks, BS walks. And that BS includes skin color, the environment, foreign policy, climate change (chortle), safe spaces, sjw's, pc incels, ZOMGRUSSIA, ZOMGMUELLER, ZOMGSTORMY, etc. Money > all. Trump knew that and played you clowns for suckers. Save it for the birds, Democrats. We smoked you fair and square and will now use your own weapon against you (thanks Harry Reid) to replace Justice Kennedy. Hey, look on the bright side, there's always the UK or Canada if you can't take it.

You should know I have no problems gloating, which is a lot different than hating. I actually hate RINOs vs dislike Dems, at least Dems are honest and will tell you how they really feel. Hell I'm married to an entire family of Dems, I know how to handle you guys.

If Trump had billions to steal he'd be giving it to the middle class or military. Also he needs money like he needs a hole in the head, Trump Org had a 50% profit margin last year (more than Apple). Would love to see proof of this surreptitious murdering and torturing of opponents you speak of unless you mean metaphorically (then agreed).

Oh, you saw the Larry King 1987 interview?
https://youtu.be/A8wJc7vHcTs

I find it incredible that he had virtually the exact same beliefs back then as he has now (though he seems a little sharper back then than he is now). Not sure how you can say he's a "con artist" especially after talking about how he built housing for the poor. He legitimately cared about our country in 1987. Trump is the guy who most guys aspire to be financially to the point where he can also defend our country when it's getting taken advantage of. This is where everything (albeit sometimes extreme) stems from - tough on illegal immigration, tough on trade, tough on terrorists, tough on over-regulation that stifles business, and wanting everyone in the country to be employed. In each scenario there are people who are trying to harm or take advantage of us, often financially or physically. He has been consistent for 30yrs and I think that deserves respect despite him being misguided at times. He sticks to his guns while other politicians are simply 2-faced snakes. This interview shows that very clearly.

I'm fine with tax shelters, hell I have offshore companies that are legit tax shelters. When Trump gets hit with tax evasion then we can talk, until then it's all hot air. He was smart enough to do something that you could've done, but you're jealous about it? Why not just get better financial advice and do it yourself? Also, I hope you're going to stop buying Amazon (and countless other companies) b/c they participate in the same exact practices of tax shelters and credits from the government. Until criminal charges are brought forth, it's just faux outrage and jealousy.

LOL... this guy.

 

[Moonbeam]

We have a president who won by using help from Russia and is now as a result a blackmailed pawn of Putin and is as a result of the wises of his Russian masters destroying the Western Alliance that has stood for human rights and democracy just as we used to for over two hundred years. And now, to stay in power he is engaged in a Twitter was to destroy the rule of law in America in the minds of his ego needy followers. It’s very impressive all right. There is nothing inexplicable about gloating Trump worship because a collapse faith of his ego projection to the small man pulling levers behind the curtain would tell such poeple what utter shitthey have become. To be a massive asshole one needs an airtight mental defense. Gloating and the self worship go with the turf. Laugh away but one thing is for sure. You will never escape a world free of people who can see what you are, somebody who had everything real taken from them. You can’t how damaged and sad you are and how deep if your hurt. The last thing you want to know and why you act like an asshole is that you have been forgiven. May you know it anyway. The Divinely Beloved loves you more than you can imagine and He is real.

 

[UNCjigga]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/opinions/democrats-badly-underestimated-trump-zelizer/index.html

You read right, that's an opinion piece on CNN by a Princeton Professor giving Trump his dues.



Who's laughing now? Trump is crushing it so bad that even your ivory towers like Princeton have to bow down and kiss the ring. Nobody here will even bet me on a 2020 presidency because it's already looking like a reality...blah blah blah blah...And that BS includes skin color, the environment, foreign policy, climate change (chortle), safe spaces, sjw's, pc incels, ZOMGRUSSIA, ZOMGMUELLER, ZOMGSTORMY, etc. Money > all. Trump knew that and played you clowns for suckers.

LOL, where do I begin? First, your comment about "bowing down and kissing the ring" shows exactly what you think of your Dear Leader (how honest and unAmerican of you!) Why stop at 2020?? I'm sure he can finagle a 3rd term if he wants!

That list of BS is impressive, though it also includes morality, truth, civility and pretty much every other American ideal.

Some folks sure got played for suckers alright.

 

[Sunburn74]

If Trump had billions to steal he'd be giving it to the middle class or military. Also he needs money like he needs a hole in the head, Trump Org had a 50% profit margin last year (more than Apple). Would love to see proof of this surreptitious murdering and torturing of opponents you speak of unless you mean metaphorically (then agreed).

LOL. Funniest thing I've read in a long time. I can just see Trump in Robin Hood tights right now.

Putin has been murdering for decades. You can just type in google "putin murder torture" and you'll find hundreds of articles from both newspapers here and in europe about this. Ever heard of the Magnitsky act for starters which was very much at the center of the russian collusion scandal for a little whilst in 2017? Its named after one of the most famous torture and murders orchestrated by putin which lead to several european countries and US countries to essentially blacklist Russian corrupt oligarchs from entry and utilization of their financial institutions, something described as the number 1 thing Putin has been lobbying the US to lift.

 

[Indus]

Underestimated Trump? Fuck No. He's right where we estimated him.. Nazi in Chief who smiles at his own country's population suffering just because they aren't fine aryan people.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Captain Obvious to the rescue with such an astute observation as "Democrats underestimated Trump." The mere fact that he's POTUS now shows that. They got the part right about him being an intolerant hack who would be in completely over his head in the job, however it's also obvious they underestimated what level of cunning he has and the relative success he's had in tapping into the frustrations of millions of people.

Perhaps a better way to say it is that the Dems overestimated themselves.