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Preview of Kerry's HUGE Government

irwincur

Golden Member
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&u=/washpost/20040714/ts_washpost/a48168_2004jul13&printer=1

Haha, he is a big government liberal. Gauging from the MASSIVE size of his unwieldy election committees he thinks he needs all the help he can get. My single question, will this huge pre government translate into a huge government? Everyone knows the problems caused by this now (just read) but what will this cause if the government balloons to this level.

Some quotes for the libs who are too lazy to read everything...


From a tightknit group of experienced advisers, John F. Kerry's presidential campaign has grown exponentially in recent months to include a cast literally of thousands, making it difficult to manage an increasingly unwieldy policy apparatus.

The campaign now includes 37 separate domestic policy councils and 27 foreign policy groups, each with scores of members. The justice policy task force alone includes 195 members. The environmental group is roughly the same size, as is the agriculture and rural development council. Kerry counts more than 200 economists as his advisers.

In contrast, President Bush (news - web sites)'s campaign policy shop is a no-frills affair. Policy director Tim Adams directs about a dozen experts who make sure the campaign is in sync with the vast executive branch that is formulating policy.

One campaign aide, speaking only on condition of anonymity because he feared angering task force members, said even the team names have developed "their own microdynamics." One task force is still arguing whether it should be titled the council on babies, children and youth or just children and youth.

According to Bianchi, Kerry had to contend with three different power centers -- Boston, New York and Washington -- in formulating his signature, $653 billion health care plan. The Boston group was pushing federally mandated health care coverage from employers. David Cutler, a health care economist at New York University, led a push to mandate individuals to buy insurance. Harvard University health policy expert Robert Blendon insisted that any policy offering would be a political trap and that Kerry should serve up only broad principles.




No wonder why Kerry can't define issues or direction. He is being told (not thinking on his own) exactly what he should do. Problem is that there are interal issues pulling him literally in hundreds of different directions. Even worse, some members are getting angry. It would be bad to have an internal mutiny this close to an election.

Further evidence that Kerry is really a complete idiot, so stupid in fact that he has no clue as to where he personally stands on any issue.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Further evidence that Kerry is really a complete idiot, so stupid in fact that he has no clue as to where he personally stands on any issue.
Yet compared to the Dub he looks like the head of MENSA
 
Oh my gosh, you mean he is actually try to get opinions on issues from people who know way more about them then he does. I guess George Bush is hogging up all of God's time.
 
Yet compared to the Dub he looks like the head of MENSA

Well from what I have seen Kerry is incapable of thinking for himself, and this seems to have been true throughout his political career.

Once again, language and speech are not good indicators of intelligence. There are many, many brilliant people out there that are extremely poor public speakers. Hell, Einstein couldn't even match colors, yet he was brilliant, have you ever seen him try to give a speech? Not that I am saying Bush is super Intelligent, but he does have a IV League MBA which says a lot.

Before you say daddy bought it for him - look into the requirements and learn something about the highly competitve world of the top 10 college MBA programs. Money and influence don't buy you anything there, and many well off students find themselves failing every year.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Yet compared to the Dub he looks like the head of MENSA

Well from what I have seen Kerry is incapable of thinking for himself, and this seems to have been true throughout his political career.

Once again, language and speech are not good indicators of intelligence. There are many, many brilliant people out there that are extremely poor public speakers. Hell, Einstein couldn't even match colors, yet he was brilliant, have you ever seen him try to give a speech? Not that I am saying Bush is super Intelligent, but he does have a IV League MBA which says a lot.

Before you say daddy bought it for him - look into the requirements and learn something about the highly competitve world of the top 10 college MBA programs. Money and influence don't buy you anything there, and many well off students find themselves failing every year.

"IV League MBA which says a lot" ... look up his sat scores
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Yet compared to the Dub he looks like the head of MENSA

Before you say daddy bought it for him - look into the requirements and learn something about the highly competitve world of the top 10 college MBA programs. Money and influence don't buy you anything there, and many well off students find themselves failing every year.

I'm interested to know how he got into a top MBA program with a C average.
 
SO Kerry has surrounded himself with many people voluntering to discuss issues to find the answers vs. Bush whose small group of people know all the answers, at least they think so.


Look where the We know everything types have gotten us.
 
Yeah, you have to be careful, if we get Kerry in office we might start deficit spending and drive up the national debt.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Yet compared to the Dub he looks like the head of MENSA

Well from what I have seen Kerry is incapable of thinking for himself, and this seems to have been true throughout his political career.

Once again, language and speech are not good indicators of intelligence. There are many, many brilliant people out there that are extremely poor public speakers. Hell, Einstein couldn't even match colors, yet he was brilliant, have you ever seen him try to give a speech? Not that I am saying Bush is super Intelligent, but he does have a IV League MBA which says a lot.

Before you say daddy bought it for him - look into the requirements and learn something about the highly competitve world of the top 10 college MBA programs. Money and influence don't buy you anything there, and many well off students find themselves failing every year.

I'm not saying that he is as Dumb as a Rock because he wouldn't have gotten as far as he has or been able to decieve the American Public into supporting his ill advised excellent adventure in Iraq if he was. It just appears that he is at time..and yes, in his case appearances can be decieving.

On the other hand it is widely agreed upon the Kerry is an Intellectual and definately not the stupid idiot that you said he was/is.
 
Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Oh my gosh, you mean he is actually try to get opinions on issues from people who know way more about them then he does. I guess George Bush is hogging up all of God's time.

The horror!

The horror!

The horror!


Honest debate determining policy and spending decisions? Say it ain't so!!!
 
Originally posted by: smashp
SO Kerry has surrounded himself with many people voluntering to discuss issues to find the answers vs. Bush whose small group of people know all the answers, at least they think so.


Look where the We know everything types have gotten us.

might be volunteering now (which I highly doubt) but when and if he is elected you can be sure they will expect to be paid...

also SATs are a poor indicator of overall intelligence IMHO
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: smashp
SO Kerry has surrounded himself with many people voluntering to discuss issues to find the answers vs. Bush whose small group of people know all the answers, at least they think so.


Look where the We know everything types have gotten us.

might be volunteering now (which I highly doubt) but when and if he is elected you can be sure they will expect to be paid...

also SATs are a poor indicator of overall intelligence IMHO

well Of corse they will expect to get paid, that is if they get appointed to exectutive positions. Dont fool yourself, every politician surrounds himself with Political appointees. In Fact, Our current president Appointed many more to positions within many departments of government than the prevous admin.

Hell, Our current President even Created a new Cabinet level Position.


Oh the pork......
 
This is the best Bush supporters have? Between Rip's post and this, your attacks on Kerry/Edwards are looking really pathetic. What nest, the scorching revelation that Kerry wears French-cut style briefs? (Brought to you by the NY Post.)




OoooOooOohhhhh....😕
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&u=/washpost/20040714/ts_washpost/a48168_2004jul13

Haha, he is a big government liberal. Gauging from the MASSIVE size of his unwieldy election committees he thinks he needs all the help he can get. My single question, will this huge pre government translate into a huge government? Everyone knows the problems caused by this now (just read) but what will this cause if the government balloons to this level....
Hmmm... Thanks to G. Dumb-ya Bush's grand schemes, we're headed for a half trilliion dollars or more of national debt, the largest ever, and sinking deeper, and you think you have a point, here? :roll:

From The Economist -- July 14, 2004
George Bush's big-government conservatism

Between 1998 and 2001, America's federal government ran a surplus on its accounts. The prospect now is of years, even decades, of deficits. Is that scary?

IN HIS first three years as president, George Bush has cut taxes three times and yet orchestrated a sharp rise in public spending?not just, or indeed mainly, on foreign wars and ?homeland security?, but also on domestic matters. For instance, spending on education has jumped by three-fifths since 2000, and spending on transport has risen by nearly half. Lower taxes, higher spending: the outcome is that the federal government, despite a steep fall in the interest it pays on its debt, has swung sharply into deficit?$450 billion this fiscal year, by most accounts.

That is not, yet, as big a deficit as that presided over by Ronald Reagan in 1983 (6% of GDP then, compared with about 4% of GDP for this year). Yet the deterioration of the government's finances today?from a surplus of 2.4% of GDP in the 2000 fiscal year?is certainly steeper.

(article continues)
The article is fairly balanced and does not say that spending would be less with a Kerry - Edwards administration, just that their spending priorities would be different, but your point is... well... pointless. 😛
 
I am getting sick of these people throwing around the words "LIBERAL" and "CONSERVATIVE" after whatever position the candidate supports...look at the OP's post. "...big government liberal." Couldn't he just have said 'he advocates big government' instead? Sheesh - I am SICK of all of this partisan BS in the media and the extremes of the political spectrum throwing themselves at each other.

Oh well, I suppose it is an election year and in this two-party system we have, the only real way to win is to make your opponent look like Satan.
 
Everyone (as expected) looked past the meat of this argument. The point is, if this man has the largest election committee, and he basically has to reward all of them after the election (if elected), he will be adding a lot of people to the upper levels of government. Add to this all of their helpers and friends and you have a massive blooming of top notch Federal jobs.

There is also a point where too many voices cause problems. Sure it is good to talk to a few people, but thousands, hundreds per topic. If this is the way he wants to run his rpesidency he will get half as much done as Clinton did with his polling. All of you have overlooked the problem here for the candidate - TO BE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE TO BE DECISIVE, THIS DOES NOT SHOW EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DECISION MAKING SKILL. I would rather not have my next President ask his friends and their friends and their friends everytime an issue needs to be solved. If Kerry was President during 911 he would still be discussing the solution with his various Committees, which by the way would be stuck in arguments over what their names should be.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Everyone (as expected) looked past the meat of this argument. The point is, if this man has the largest election committee, and he basically has to reward all of them after the election (if elected), he will be adding a lot of people to the upper levels of government. Add to this all of their helpers and friends and you have a massive blooming of top notch Federal jobs.

There is also a point where too many voices cause problems. Sure it is good to talk to a few people, but thousands, hundreds per topic. If this is the way he wants to run his rpesidency he will get half as much done as Clinton did with his polling. All of you have overlooked the problem here for the candidate - TO BE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE TO BE DECISIVE, THIS DOES NOT SHOW EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DECISION MAKING SKILL. I would rather not have my next President ask his friends and their friends and their friends everytime an issue needs to be solved. If Kerry was President during 911 he would still be discussing the solution with his various Committees, which by the way would be stuck in arguments over what their names should be.
Would you rather that the President do as he is told like the Dub does?
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Everyone (as expected) looked past the meat of this argument. The point is, if this man has the largest election committee, and he basically has to reward all of them after the election (if elected), he will be adding a lot of people to the upper levels of government. Add to this all of their helpers and friends and you have a massive blooming of top notch Federal jobs.

There is also a point where too many voices cause problems. Sure it is good to talk to a few people, but thousands, hundreds per topic. If this is the way he wants to run his rpesidency he will get half as much done as Clinton did with his polling. All of you have overlooked the problem here for the candidate - TO BE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE TO BE DECISIVE, THIS DOES NOT SHOW EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DECISION MAKING SKILL. I would rather not have my next President ask his friends and their friends and their friends everytime an issue needs to be solved. If Kerry was President during 911 he would still be discussing the solution with his various Committees, which by the way would be stuck in arguments over what their names should be.

apparantly youve never heard of any of the Thinktanks that exist in Washington Dc that Deliver policy papers to the elected officials.

I suggest you begin your research with the project for a new american century or PNAC for short. Theyre answers lie for who Makes decisions esp. in this whitehouse.
 
well obviously kerry is responsible for the $450 billion+ annual budget deficit and $$7.2 trillion national debt. no wait he isn't.
 
yea go figure. who's the stereotypical big government liberal😛 bush. he even weasels out of fighting wars when his own ass is on the line like a limp wristed lilly loving liberal while supposed liberals like kerry volunteer their lives😛 then theres 5 deferment cheney.

theses people make terms like conservative meaningless eh? 🙂 or atleast show the popular definition to be a lie.
 
Kerry Big gov't? Haha, bush has the biggest percentage deficit the country has seen in like twenty years. He can't spend fast enough.
 
This is so lame. I know for a fact that you're just parroting Rush because I heard him talk about this subject today. Criticizing the number of Kerry's advisors is such a weak attack.
 
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
This is so lame. I know for a fact that you're just parroting Rush because I heard him talk about this subject today. Criticizing the number of Kerry's advisors is such a weak attack.

yeah the Conservative Argument that those Pinko commie Socialist Hippie Liberal Democrats are goig to grow "Big Government" at exponetial rates just doesnt hold any water anymore.

Well, I guess if all theyre appointments are republicans it could happen😉
 
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