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Preventing Lesbianism?

moshquerade

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Would you encourage the mother of your unborn daughter to take this pill, if the genetic disorder, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, was found to be present, to prevent lesbianism in the baby?

Edit: If you read the article you will see this is NOT about preventing lesbianism in all infants, but only those with the above genetic defect which causes the female to be born with characteristics of a male because of accumulation of the hormone testosterone. These females also are predominantly homosexual.



The pill that could prevent your daughter from being gay: Outrage as doctors test steroid with dramatic side effect


Last updated at 5:47 PM on 16th August 2010

A prenatal pill prescribed to women expecting daughters with a rare genetic disorder, could reduce the chance of their children becoming lesbians, according to research.

The finding has caused outrage among bioethicists and gay and lesbian groups, who claim that doctors are performing the risky treatment on female foetuses to prevent homosexuality in the womb.

Currently, the treatment may only affect the dozens of girls born with the rare condition called congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) each year


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A number of bioethicists said a hormonal treatment for a rare genetic disorder was the first instance clinicians had actively tried to prevent homosexuality in the womb

But there are fears it could lead to the social engineering of sexual orientation.

CAH causes an accumulation in male hormones - and, in females, can make it difficult to tell what gender they actually are.

Although their internal organs develop normally they also develop abnormal external genitalia and go on to exhibit characteristics such as a deep voice and excessive body hair.

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Under fire: Dr Maria New of the Mount Sinai
School Of Medicine has been accused of having
a hidden agenda to 'prevent' lesbianism


Medics, including Dr Maria New of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, have championed a hormonal treatment that prevents the ambiguous genitalia developing in the womb - sparing the need for surgery later in life.
But it is not without its side effects - including potentially having a dramatic impact on a person's sexual orientation.

Opponents accused Dr New of having a hidden agenda to 'prevent' lesbianism after she noted those with CAH were more likely to be gay and be interested in 'masculine' careers.

Dr New released a statement denying the charges.
She said: 'In my six years at Mount Sinai I have not administered the drug to any woman for the purpose of treating an unborn child.

'Allegations that my goal is to prevent lesbianism are completely untrue.'
The LA Times reported that Dr New's more recent studies on the treatment, using the steroid dexamethasone, resulted in girls who behave in ways that are considered more traditionally feminine.

The report quoted a 2008 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior in which Dr New questioned 143 women with CAH who had not been treated prenatally.

The study found that most of the women were heterosexual - but that the rates of homosexuality and bisexuality were far higher in women with the condition when compared to a control group.

The report then cited a paper published earlier this year in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences by Dr New and her colleagues.

In that study Dr New found that, in 685 pregnancies, those girls with the condition who were received the prenatal steroid were more traditionally feminine.

The study also showed that those without the prenatal therapy made more masculine-related choices both as children at play and in later careers and lifestyle choices.
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Outrage: Professor Alice Dreger of Northwestern University
said Dr New was 'actively trying to prevent homosexuality'


'The majority, no matter how severe, are heterosexual,' Dr Heino Meyer-Bahlburg, professor of clinical psychology at Columbia University, who has collaborated with New on some of the studies, told the LA Times.

'But the rate of CAH women attracted to females increases with their degree of androgen exposure during prenatal life.'

Professor Alice Dreger at Northwestern University described Dr New's work as the first time in history that 'clinicians are actively trying to prevent homosexuality.'

'Her main goal has been to prevent ambiguous genitalia and all the things that come with it, including what she calls 'behavourial masculinisation' Dr Dreger said.

Dr Dreger added that the Maria New Children's Hormone Foundation website said Dr New had treated over 600 pregnant women at risk for the birth of a CAH-affected child, but not what treatment she had used.


Dr New has also been accused of recommending the strong steroid dexamethasone without revealing to parents that it is highly experimental.
Opponents also said the steroid treatment does not address the underlying condition behind CAH, caused by a defective enzyme in the adrenal gland.

A number of major medical societies are now drafting guidelines on the use of the hormone, which will be published in a consensus paper in September's Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.
The guidelines are expected to highlight the experimental nature of the treatment and warn that it can cause low birth weight and defects such as a cleft palate.

But Dr Phyllis Speiser, who is helping draft the document, said the guidelines are not concerned with aspects of sexuality.
'Our main concern is the long-term safety to the foetus,' he told Bloomberg Businessweek.

Dr Dreger and her colleagues are concerned that medical attempts to prevent homosexuality will arise in the future if sexual orientation is found to be determined by human biology.

'Evidence that homosexual orientation is inborn, could very well lead to new means of pathologisation [treating it like a medical condition] and prevention,' they warned in a recent paper.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-homosexuality-womb-experimental-steroid.html
 
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OCGuy

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Wake me up when it is "Preventing Ugly Lesbian."

That would be Nobel worthy.
 

SandEagle

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moshquerade said:
you called the article fake. come up with info to back that up or you're just trolling.

the concept behind the pill is fake. its a scam. how can you not see this? one look at the doctor and the headline and i had it figured out.
 

zephyrprime

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If the defect was present, I think it's a no brainer to give the medication. I don't see how anyone can be against administering the treatment in that case. The only way this would be an issue is if the pill were given WITHOUT the defect being present.
 

ShawnD1

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mosh said:
bioethicists
shens. There's no way that's a real job. bio-ethics? So now we're just making up job titles? I'll be an ethics engineer, or how about an ethics chemist.


If the defect was present, I think it's a no brainer to give the medication. I don't see how anyone can be against administering the treatment in that case. The only way this would be an issue is if the pill were given WITHOUT the defect being present.
Should be punished the same as smoking while pregnant. I don't know if there's a law against that, but it's kind of the same concept - radically changing the baby's development by using drugs.
 

highland145

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Sounds like when an amnio is done and there are "markers" and the Dr. suggests you abort. Mother refuses and a normal healthy child is born.

No.
 

ShawnD1

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First line of the article:
Bioethics is the philosophical study of the ethical controversies brought about by advances in biology and medicine. Bioethicists are concerned with the ethical questions that arise in the relationships among life sciences, biotechnology, medicine, politics, law, and philosophy.
In other words bioethicist is what you call yourself when you have a degree in biology and you troll the anandtech forum. I learn something new every day.
 

surfsatwerk

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First line of the article:

In other words bioethicist is what you call yourself when you have a degree in biology and you troll the anandtech forum. I learn something new every day.

No, that's what I do. The link goes into much greater detail if you are willing to learn.
 

vi edit

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First line of the article:

In other words bioethicist is what you call yourself when you have a degree in biology and you troll the anandtech forum. I learn something new every day.

So you have a biology degree?
 

ElFenix

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does prompt an interesting question even if it's as fake as that guy's $800 ebay phone offer