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pretty s****y day

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otispunkmeyer

Lifer
.... and pretty much he is the sole bread winner in their house... mortgage, car, paying two daughters through uni, and now his means have gone.

🙁 SO's pretty upset, because her dad is very upset.

i dunno where to sit though.... i mean it sux he got sacked, but you could argue rightfully so.

last year 2 lads got killed in fire at the place where he works.

he got promoted to supervisor sometime later

they brought in new regs, saying you have to wear a new fire suit when working on electricals in that area.

he was caught not wearing them, so too were those under him

he was told disiplinary action will be taken, but was then latter simply fired.


i mean these were "just in" brand new regulations, i would of maybe had a stern word or a demotion, but to just flat out fire him and make an example of him seems a bit unjust in my view.

i mean they never even told him he would be considered for being fired, they just did it.

if hed of known he was getting fired, he could of at least resigned before hand. that way he would of least been able to obtain a reference for future jobs. since they fired him, they wont supply a reference anymore and now he has ZERO proof of his long works experience there, and like alot of people here from his time, very few have paper qualifications...they've all worked up from being a "lacky"

so they've left him high an dry....no qualifications, no reference to extensive experience, nothing.
 
Promotion indicates responsibilty.

He ignored the regs - not very responsibile.

Case closed.
 
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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i guess

i mean what im more annoyed at is the way they appeared to handle it.... telling him one thing, then without warning doing the other
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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Very true, he was fired, didnt quit, for what ever the reason, he needs to suck up the pride and head down to the unemployment office asap. Granted he wont get anywhere near what he was making, but something is better then nothing, and atleast he can put food on the table with what they will give him while he looks for other work.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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I don't think he lives in the US, so the rules may be very different.

 
Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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I don't think he lives in the US, so the rules may be very different.
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yeah this is the UK, however im not aware of what the rules are either.

 
He/you should find out, and if there is anything go wait in line and fill out the papers. I been there done it, got the t-shirt, and anything is better then brining in nothing and watching all of your savings go up. If he put into that system, it is there for him to use, go use it. May feel too proud to go do it, but damn when you paycheck is 0, anything is better then nothing. And if they have food stamps, or anything of that nature, go get it as well. He can get all that, if there is a system like that in place down there, and it will help him while he looks for work, not having to worry to much that he cant go look for a job, because he needs that money for food, not gas, so how is he going to look for work.

I know it may feel too good to go do it, I did as well when I had to and waited till the very last minute, and wish I had not waited so long. Would of made it alot easier on me if I just net right away then wait till I had $20 left to my name.
 
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
.... and pretty much he is the sole bread winner in their house... mortgage, car, paying two daughters through uni, and now his means have gone.

🙁 SO's pretty upset, because her dad is very upset.

i dunno where to sit though.... i mean it sux he got sacked, but you could argue rightfully so.

last year 2 lads got killed in fire at the place where he works.

he got promoted to supervisor sometime later

they brought in new regs, saying you have to wear a new fire suit when working on electricals in that area.

he was caught not wearing them, so too were those under him

he was told disiplinary action will be taken, but was then latter simply fired.


i mean these were "just in" brand new regulations, i would of maybe had a stern word or a demotion, but to just flat out fire him and make an example of him seems a bit unjust in my view.

i mean they never even told him he would be considered for being fired, they just did it.

if hed of known he was getting fired, he could of at least resigned before hand. that way he would of least been able to obtain a reference for future jobs. since they fired him, they wont supply a reference anymore and now he has ZERO proof of his long works experience there, and like alot of people here from his time, very few have paper qualifications...they've all worked up from being a "lacky"

so they've left him high an dry....no qualifications, no reference to extensive experience, nothing.
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Ignoring safetly regulations is grounds for on the spot firing at nearly every job i know
 
Unless he is part of a union he is and "at-will" employee.

Employer does not need to give you a 2 weeks notice that your going to be fired. He messed up, it sucks, but no one to blame but himself.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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Hate to tell you, but if you get fired you dont get unemployment either.

The OP is in UK anyway, so laws I'm sure are diffrent.
 
Originally posted by: Tobolo
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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Hate to tell you, but if you get fired you dont get unemployment either.

The OP is in UK anyway, so laws I'm sure are diffrent.
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Bullsh1t.
 
Originally posted by: Tobolo
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
He doesnt need a reference. They cannot deny he worked there and they cannot say anything derogatory against him.

Plus, if he quit he would not be able to collect unemployment.
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Hate to tell you, but if you get fired you dont get unemployment either.

The OP is in UK anyway, so laws I'm sure are diffrent.
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so if you quit, you are inelligible for unemployment

if you get fired you are inelligible for unemployment...

so only if you get downsized? isn't downsizing the same thing as firing?

or are you saying for disciplinary actions, because if so, I know for sure of at least one person who was fired for disciplinary reasons who received unemployment benefits in the US
 
we had a guy get caught by OSHA in a trench without shoring. he had two helpers in there with him as well. we got fined (the company) and he was written up and reprimanded. he didnt get fired, hes a good employee that was worth the risk on training him further to pay closer attention to the regs. id say they were a bit heavyhanded on this guy, especially as a new management person as well as with a new reg. knee-jerk reactions to recent tragedy never does any good either.
 
Of no comfort it may be, but of no consequence it most certainly is not:

You better believe that everyone will wear their firesuit from now on, hopefully preventing further loss of life in the future.

 
Originally posted by: GoosemasterYou better believe that everyone will wear their firesuit from now on, hopefully preventing further loss of life in the future.
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Too bad that it would take someone losing their job to teach a safety lesson vs 2 people losing their LIFE.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Promotion indicates responsibilty.

He ignored the regs - not very responsibile.

Case closed.
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Unfortunately EagleKeeper is dead on. Regulations are there for a reason and one needs to know the law.

I don't agree with heartstring justice; there are too many do-overs given nowadays.

Two guys dying in a fire recently should have had the supervisor looking for ways to improve safety even if not required.
 
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