Presidential Executive Order 13526 Will Declassify Extensive Intelligence Information

[PJABBER]

So, you're unwilling to back up your own claims, but he is the one who is lazy?

The burden of proof is on the claimant idiot, either keep up or shut up.

Are you still here?

If you can't offer anything of substance yourself, just go out and smoke some more weed.

Myself, I'm heading out to the slopes for some late afternoon and night skiing. I want to try out my twin tip shorty skis with the new boots. Likely to be an Eastern granular surface tonight, but I am pumped anyway.

Later, ladies!

 

[kage69]

Are you still here?

Yep, still waiting to see you offer something, anything, in the way of substantive support in regards to your claims. Ho hum...

If you can't offer anything of substance yourself, just go out and smoke some more weed.

Already offered my take, but I'm curious as to if you can act like you understand the concept of "burden of proof" as I'm irritated by those who act as you do. All spit and no polish. Instead of manning up, you whine and commence with insults ad nauseum. Wouldn't know about the weed, maybe you've been hanging out with too many boarders?

Myself, I'm heading out to the slopes for some late afternoon and night skiing. I want to try out my twin tip shorty skis with the new boots. Likely to be an Eastern granular surface tonight, but I am pumped anyway. Later, ladies!

Maybe later you can get pumped about doing your own legwork online? Since no one else here shares your nutty partisan worldview, we won't be able to read headlines and arrive at your conclusions. Have fun with the granular surface shorty.

 

[kage69]

"I do know that the statements and actions of the Obama Administration have dismayed many in both U.S. and allied intelligence and national security communities.

They find this Administration hostile and contemptuous of the role they have to play and many have become much more concerned for their own security as well as the safety of the nation."

I love it. PBlabber's own version of Faux's constantly run 'Some people say...'

Golly gee, the nerve of some people wanting to see elaboration on this kind of insightful scuttlebutt!

Meh. I guess retreating to the slopes constitutes as 'shutting up.' Typical.

 

[Aegeon]

I just picked out a few of the easily identifiable possible/probable issues. The complexities and the covert nature of the underlying information means that we ourselves cannot readily engage in an informed discussion, only in the abstract. For example, there are additional findings dealing with classification, dissemination, conduct of operations and funding that are themselves classified.

I am very much in favor of having as much sunshine as possible on the conduct of governmental business. I am also very much in favor of keeping necessarily covert national security operations secret. I don't find this a particularly nuanced position, but as we can see in the majority of posts here many are absolutists and disagree.

In other words, you can't actually show any of your claims will genuinely be an issue. This is in spite of the evidence that the new procedures still leave plenty of room to keep necessary documents classified. You basically appear to be operating on the assumption the Executive Branch is going to oppose keeping specific documents classified even in cases where it clearly remains necessary. (And making utterly unsupported claims about this administration degree of hostility of the CIA and the like to try to make this argument somehow seem more convincing.

By contrast, I have shown that inappropriate classification in the past of the part of the CIA for instance even applies to documents that were reclassified.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In other words, you can't actually show any of your claims will genuinely be an issue. This is in spite of the evidence that the new procedures still leave plenty of room to keep necessary documents classified. You basically appear to be operating on the assumption the Executive Branch is going to oppose keeping specific documents classified even in cases where it clearly remains necessary. (And making utterly unsupported claims about this administration degree of hostility of the CIA and the like to try to make this argument somehow seem more convincing.

By contrast, I have shown that inappropriate classification in the past of the part of the CIA for instance even applies to documents that were reclassified.

Section 1.4 deals with intelligence issues. There isn't anything odious about this at all. The very worst thing that could happen is that there is now a standardized method of classifying documents based on need rather than possible political ramifications, or mere whim.

 

[Craig234]

Great, now bin laden has access to the same sensitive information and statistics as our president does.

We should base the American people's rights on being no more than what we'd lke fo Al Queda.

"Today, President Obama announced there weill be no more press conferences or statements.

He said this was based on the "Al Queda shouldn't get these things, so neither should the American people" doctrine, also referred to as the hacp doctrine.

Next up: randome searches of US homes. "We don't respect the rights of Al QUeda to be free of random searches, and the American people iwll not receive superios consideration any longer".

Proponents of the hacp doctrine expressed horror at the possibility of abandoning it.

"Why, the next time the FBI sends anonymous threatening letters to a Dr. King, for the small benefit of the American people getting to exercise their role and force the government to stop, we have to put up with Al Queda learning these embarrrassing stories and laughing at the US!!!!"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Great, now bin laden has access to the same sensitive information and statistics as our president does.

I saw this after Craig's above this.

I've read the Order before making comment. I think you'd be hard pressed to back this up with a quote from the actual document. Could you do so?

 

[Zebo]

Anyone wanna take bets on the joh.., er Kennedy assassination...or will those files be left out...

 

[Craig234]

Anyone wanna take bets on the joh.., er Kennedy assassination.

Bets on what? There's nothing in government files that will change the basic understanding. There might be things of interest about the period.

 

[WHAMPOM]

WOW! Gonna release 43's classified college records?

 

[First]

This has consequences. We will have to wait and see what those consequences wind up being.

As long as the consequences isn't the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history like occurred under the last administration, then this is just fine and dandy.

 

[OrByte]

Doesn`t matter what Obama does you would still say that,,,pathetic..

why do I hate America so much!?

 

[OrByte]

Are you still here?

If you can't offer anything of substance yourself, just go out and smoke some more weed.

Myself, I'm heading out to the slopes for some late afternoon and night skiing. I want to try out my twin tip shorty skis with the new boots. Likely to be an Eastern granular surface tonight, but I am pumped anyway.

Later, ladies!

wow, you got served.

 

[Rainsford]

Great, now bin laden has access to the same sensitive information and statistics as our president does.

Yeah, I also think this EO means Osama is going to be handed a briefcase with our nuclear launch codes.

You guys are either being intentionally ignorant in order to bash Obama, or you're genuinely complete morons...but you're definitely one or the other.

 

[Pens1566]

I think the OP knows nothing about classification/de-classification procedures. Just a hunch ...

 

[rudder]

Good for Obama. Sneaky government sucks.

Good for our enemies because they will now know what our sneaking capabilities are.

 

[UberNeuman]

Good for our enemies because they will now know what our sneaking capabilities are.

Geraldo Rivera can draw it out in the sand....

 

[StageLeft]

I follow the money, which lobbyist wants this?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I would be more worried about Exective order 12425 that he ammended granting diplomatic immunity to interpol. Giving them more power within the united states than even the FBI.

 

[Cogman]

The more info the better. I doubt we are going to get blueprints of giant ships, which show major security vulnerabilities of said ship.

I'm always happy to get more info on what our government is actually doing, it keeps them a little more honest.

 

[kage69]

I would be more worried about Exective order 12425 that he ammended granting diplomatic immunity to interpol. Giving them more power within the united states than even the FBI.

Check out http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2035426&page=6
you should be able to glean some details that will make you less worried.

 

[fskimospy]

I would be more worried about Exective order 12425 that he ammended granting diplomatic immunity to interpol. Giving them more power within the united states than even the FBI.

Yeah that's 100% false there. It's already been thoroughly debunked on here, just right wing chain email paranoia.

 

[Rainsford]

I would be more worried about Exective order 12425 that he ammended granting diplomatic immunity to interpol. Giving them more power within the united states than even the FBI.

False, you fail at understanding.

Which is exactly the problem with most legal discussions in P&N and similar venues, particularly when they deal with issues that are legal AND involve another field that most people know absolutely nothing about, like international diplomacy or classification systems. Reading "interpretations" like the one I quoted, I can't help but think of an English speaking physical education major trying to read a paper about string theory that's written in German.

Of course there is a benefit to this type of argument. Freed for any possibility of ACTUALLY understanding what they are talking about, everyone is free to make up whatever interpretation seems like the most fun. And wouldn't you know it, but President Obama has decided to issue a bunch of Executive Orders that confirm EXACTLY what conservatives think of him if they are the ones doing the interpreting...which is convenient for them, wouldn't you say? Forget waiting for your political opponent to ACTUALLY do something you disagree with, all you have to do is pretend you're too stupid to understand what he's doing, then get pissed off at your bizarre interpretation.

And that's really the truth here...it's all an act, and one we are all too willing to put up with. While it's true that legal matters can be confusing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to accurately parse the EOs in question. Despite what I said above, this is NOT people who don't understand the issue making up whatever explanation seems convenient. That's what it LOOKS like, but it's really people who DO understand the issues pretending they don't so they can get their panties in a twist over them. Hell, you don't even HAVE to be able to read the Executive Orders...does anyone REALLY think Obama is going to give Interpol unlimited authority within the US, or publish sensitive information on the Internet?