President Obama’s Top 10 Insults Against Britain – 2011 Edition

[zinfamous]

So far I haven't seen any success in foreign relations. I haven't even heard of any Dems brag about any (other than a higher rating on popularity polls which I don't consider to be of any real import unless it can be proven to directly translate into something specifically beneficial to us).

Fern

Oh.

:hmm:

 

[Ape]

Try posting a thread were the topic is actually verifiable instead of some wingnut rhetoric and you'll get serious discussions.

Or you can actually come back with a counter argument and we can have an adult conversation about it. Maybe, just maybe we might learn something from each other.

While I do think Obama is trying to present a 'changed" USA, one that is more open to countries we haven't typical strongly associated with, and less dependant upon old allies, I don't think he has any particular problem with the UK. I.e., I'm not sold on any colonial resentment from his father or grandfather.

I do think he is far more ackward, and waaaaay less intelligent, slick and charismatic, than many initially gave him credit for. I think many of the items on your list are doofus type blunders by him or his staff, not intentional offenses.

I think his recent comments about Israel and '67 borders is another example of that. Apparently, he thinks he said the same thing as GWB and Bill Clinton. However, if you listend closely he glossed over some pretty dang important v to the Israelis, such as their security and just went to the '67 border part. Bush and Clinton both had plenty of caveats to their suggestion, Obama didn't. Clumsy, and his inexperience shows almost daily.

Fern

If it was one or two items then I can see them as just plain mistakes being made but time and time again he and his administration are doing stupid things like this. Maybe it's his head of protocol, maybe it's his arrogance or maybe it's that he just doesn't care. The blunders are piling up and even his most staunch supporters have to start wondering why.

lol!

I know right I mean who am I kidding. lol

 

[CanOWorms]

It's refreshing to see a President challenge the traditional US-UK relationship.

#7 (returning the Churchill bust) is a personal favorite of mine. That monster deserves to burn in hell. However, the UK should have used what happened as motivation to review Churchill's genocides rather than glorify him.

 

[spidey07]

I think talking during their national anthem (the toast gaf) ranks up there and is just his style. What idiot doesn't know to shut up?

 

[dali71]

Do any of the liberals here have a comment on this? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[spidey07]

Do any of the liberals here have a comment on this? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

The running joke is he has always been and always will be stuck in campaign mode of 2008. It's not a coincidence.

 

[Thump553]

I think talking during their national anthem (the toast gaf) ranks up there and is just his style. What idiot doesn't know to shut up?

You've got it wrong (again). Obama started giving a toast to the Queen. The band had not yet God Save The Queen, and apparently it is a breach of monarchist etiquette to toast the queen before that song is played. WHILE Obama was giving his toast the band started to play the song-the band interrupted Obama not the other way around. When Obama heard them he stopped and finished the toast when the song was done.

If this was meeting with a tryannical nutcase like the dictator of North Korea perhaps this would amount to something. Here it was a trivial gaffe.

 

[spidey07]

You've got it wrong (again). Obama started giving a toast to the Queen. The band had not yet God Save The Queen, and apparently it is a breach of monarchist etiquette to toast the queen before that song is played. WHILE Obama was giving his toast the band started to play the song-the band interrupted Obama not the other way around. When Obama heard them he stopped and finished the toast when the song was done.

If this was meeting with a tryannical nutcase like the dictator of North Korea perhaps this would amount to something. Here it was a trivial gaffe.

Give it up. Even listening to CNN this evening they were interviewing all kinds of british etiquette folks who said Obama was a fool and should have known better. Apologist.

 

[CanOWorms]

Give it up. Even listening to CNN this evening they were interviewing all kinds of british etiquette folks who said Obama was a fool and should have known better. Apologist.

Why must Obama always be bound by British etiquette when the British are visting the US and when Obama is visiting the UK? Obama should not be bound by British etiquette in at least one of the situations. They should have accommodated him.

 

[Ape]

Why must Obama always be bound by British etiquette when the British are visting the US and when Obama is visiting the UK? Obama should not be bound by British etiquette in at least one of the situations. They should have accommodated him.

Because he is our President and should know protocol. Using the excuse, well they did it too, is childish and a little sad.

 

[werepossum]

While I do think Obama is trying to present a 'changed" USA, one that is more open to countries we haven't typical strongly associated with, and less dependant upon old allies, I don't think he has any particular problem with the UK. I.e., I'm not sold on any colonial resentment from his father or grandfather.

I do think he is far more ackward, and waaaaay less intelligent, slick and charismatic, than many initially gave him credit for. I think many of the items on your list are doofus type blunders by him or his staff, not intentional offenses.

I think his recent comments about Israel and '67 borders is another example of that. Apparently, he thinks he said the same thing as GWB and Bill Clinton. However, if you listend closely he glossed over some pretty dang important v to the Israelis, such as their security and just went to the '67 border part. Bush and Clinton both had plenty of caveats to their suggestion, Obama didn't. Clumsy, and his inexperience shows almost daily.

Fern

Pretty much this. I was initially sold on the theory that he was following the script he laid out in "Dreams from my father", but too much he does goes against that.

You consistently display a superficial knowledge to support your firmly held beliefs. Have you in fact even read Dreams From My Father? I have. Obama really had no relationship at all with his father-he abandoned the family shortly after birth and Obama only saw him once more in his life. The impression I got (reading between the lines) of Obama's father is that he was a self-important ass who made very little out of his life because he could not control his temper and constantly pushed his superiority over others less educated-including his superiors.

So Obama's hatred of the British Empire comes from his paternal grandfather with whom he had no contact via his father, with whom he had next to no contact? Yeah, right.

I don't disagree with your assessment of his father, but the whole point of the book (far as I could tell) was his admiration of his father and his father's philosophy, when a more reasonable man would have seen his father as the worthless sod he was. That admiration seemed to drive his behavior throughout college and his community organizer career, a conscious rejection of the West (and by extension America) in favor of his father's Marxism and romanticized African culture. My reaction after reading it was "Holy crap, no way America's gonna let this guy even visit the White House!" I didn't count on his TelePrompter skills, McCain's weakness, the importance of a tame media, a tanking economy, and American's disgust with Republicans.

Luckily he hasn't really seemed (to me) like he is really living the role he built for himself in DFMF. Most of the list seems to me to be blunders from ignorance and arrogance rather than consciously trying to insult the UK. Or at least, to insult the UK any more than he deems necessary to reach out to Muslim nations. Hey, at least he hasn't actually thrown up on any of them - or given any creepy back rubs.

 

[badb0y]

Britain can go to hell.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION MOFOS.

 

[Zebo]

Placing a “boot on the throat” of BP

That's just a lie. He set up a "take it or leave it" fund which protected BP from insolvency and has losers of that catastrophe hating life still.

Obama is establishment. When will people get that through their heads? Black Bush.

 

[werepossum]

That's just a lie. He set up a "take it or leave it" fund which protected BP from insolvency and has losers of that catastrophe hating life still.

Obama is establishment. When will people get that through their heads? Black Bush.

Maybe Black Bush with a less competent protocol staff?

 

[CanOWorms]

Because he is our President and should know protocol. Using the excuse, well they did it too, is childish and a little sad.

I am asking why British etiquette takes precedent over American both when the Limeys visit the USA and when Obama visit the Limeys.

 

[Veliko]

I am asking why British etiquette takes precedent over American both when the Limeys visit the USA and when Obama visit the Limeys.

'Cos we are your historical and cultural superiors. That's one deficit you Yanks won't ever pay off.

 

[Monster_Munch]

trying to do an Irish accent (poorly) and the presidential limo (aka the Beast) getting hung up on an Irish road and need a tow truck to get moving again and siging the guest book with the year 2008 and not 2011 it seems apparent that The Big O and the UK don't mesh well.

You know Ireland is not part of the UK, right?

Saying that a gaffe in Ireland shows Obama hates the UK is like saying a gaffe in Mexico shows David Cameron hates the USA.

 

[Ape]

You know Ireland is not part of the UK, right?

Saying that a gaffe in Ireland shows Obama hates the UK is like saying a gaffe in Mexico shows David Cameron hates the USA.

I stand corrected and I am sorry for the mistake.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm amazed that the UK press isn't putting down "Not acknowledging that our Queen and her royal bloodline is a caste above all else" as one of the insults.

Sorry if our President doesn't believe in casteism.

..

RabidMongoose posts insults about the UK.

 

[Fern]

You've got it wrong (again). Obama started giving a toast to the Queen. The band had not yet God Save The Queen, and apparently it is a breach of monarchist etiquette to toast the queen before that song is played. WHILE Obama was giving his toast the band started to play the song-the band interrupted Obama not the other way around. When Obama heard them he stopped and finished the toast when the song was done.

If this was meeting with a tryannical nutcase like the dictator of North Korea perhaps this would amount to something. Here it was a trivial gaffe.

That bolded part is just flat-out wrong.

I've seen it several times, Obama kept going after the band started playing and never stopped until he finished speaking and turned to the Queen while his raising his glass to toast. Only after seeing she was ignoring him did he put his glass down.

Fern

 

[RabidMongoose]

'Cos we are your historical and cultural superiors. That's one deficit you Yanks won't ever pay off.

LOL - I'm sorry, but if you believe in casteism and actually worship an inbred person similar to early humans worshiping the sun, then your'e pretty much historical and cultural losers.

Yip yip, cheerio limey guv'nuh. (yup, so culturally superior there...no wonder you guys eat up all of our culture when you say ridiculous things like that).

 

[dainthomas]

Because he is our President and should know protocol. Using the excuse, well they did it too, is childish and a little sad.

Not unlike this thread.

 

[hal2kilo]

Because he is our President and should know protocol. Using the excuse, well they did it too, is childish and a little sad.

You think the president himself should know all the protocol rules? It's was an obvious screw up by his staff to not run through the rules before hand.

 

[werepossum]

That bolded part is just flat-out wrong.

I've seen it several times, Obama kept going after the band started playing and never stopped until he finished speaking and turned to the Queen while his raising his glass to toast. Only after seeing she was ignoring him did he put his glass down.

Fern

Still, more of a gaffe than an insult, no? Kind of like Bush's creepy back rub except less, um, creepy.

 

[Fern]

Yup, an embarassing gaffe.

Given his absent-mindness as shown in his signature mis-date, I'm not sure it's his staff's or anybody else's fault. Jet lag or something may have him so tired he's forgetful.

Fern