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fskimospy

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blackangst1 said:
I dunno man. Trump has fulfilled many promises given.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
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Not really, if anything he’s massively broken most of his biggest promises.

Hell, 3 of the 5 primary promises from your link are broken.

1) He not only failed to repeal the ACA, his actual promise was to get everyone better and cheaper health care while protecting people with pre-existing conditions. Instead he actively sabotaged people’s health insurance and is currently trying to remove protections for pre-existing conditions.

2) No wall, and Mexico laughed in his face about paying for it.

3) He did this, kind of, except he exempted a number of the actual exporters of terrorism. (Saudi Arabia)

4) Trump’s tax plain actually raises lots of people’s taxes in the long term. It only permanently cuts them for rich people.

5) He sure did!

Seems like a pretty horrendous record to me? I mean he’s actually doing the opposite of what he promises.
 
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blackangst1 said:
I dunno man. Trump has fulfilled many promises given.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
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So, essentially not much that wasn't accomplished without an EO. The few significant accomplishments, like the tax cut, should've been labeled a broken promise given the Repubs. are now claiming they're going to introduce an actual middle class tax cut next year, so that means the $1.5T wasn't for the middle class at all, right?

Oh, and the SC justices. That's about it for serious accomplishments......
 
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fskimospy said:
Not really, if anything he’s massively broken most of his biggest promises.

Hell, 3 of the 5 primary promises from your link are broken.

1) He not only failed to repeal the ACA, his actual promise was to get everyone better and cheaper health care while protecting people with pre-existing conditions. Instead he actively sabotaged people’s health insurance and is currently trying to remove protections for pre-existing conditions.

2) No wall, and Mexico laughed in his face about paying for it.

3) He did this, kind of, except he exempted a number of the actual exporters of terrorism. (Saudi Arabia)

4) Trump’s tax plain actually raises lots of people’s taxes in the long term. It only permanently cuts them for rich people.

5) He sure did!

Seems like a pretty horrendous record to me? I mean he’s actually doing the opposite of what he promises.
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So to you, compromise and in the works = broken?

Alright then.
 
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fskimospy

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blackangst1 said:
So to you, compromise and in the works = broken?

Alright then.
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1) Repealing Obamacare is ‘in the works’? It’s dead as a door nail and you know it. As I said though, Trump’s broken promise here is much worse than just not repealing the ACA. He actively drove up people’s health care prices and tried to remove pre-existing condition protections.

It’s not just a broken promise because he failed, he did the opposite.

2) Making Mexico pay for the wall? Dead as a door nail and you know it.

3) ‘Compromise’ on the tax cut bill is ridiculous. Not only is everyone not getting a tax cut, most Americans are getting a tax INCREASE.

By all means though tell me where I got something wrong here. Trump played conservatives for fools.
 
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fskimospy said:
1) Repealing Obamacare is ‘in the works’? It’s dead as a door nail and you know it. As I said though, Trump’s broken promise here is much worse than just not repealing the ACA. He actively drove up people’s health care prices and tried to remove pre-existing condition protections.

It’s not just a broken promise because he failed, he did the opposite.

2) Making Mexico pay for the wall? Dead as a door nail and you know it.

3) ‘Compromise’ on the tax cut bill is ridiculous. Not only is everyone not getting a tax cut, most Americans are getting a tax INCREASE.

By all means though tell me where I got something wrong here. Trump played conservatives for fools.
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Ok, so, through your own reasoning, your answer is yes.

Np. Just wanted to clarify.
 
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blackangst1 said:
Ok, so, through your own reasoning, your answer is yes.

Np. Just wanted to clarify.
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So, what clarity did you obtain.....your refusal to address anything fskimospy posted that you've "responded" to with that post of verbal diarrhea?
 
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Hilarious spoof by the New Yorker:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Calling it “maybe the worst deal ever,” Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he is considering pulling the United States out of the United States Constitution.

“I’ve seen a lot of bad deals in my life, but this Constitution is a total mess,” he said. “We need to tear it up and start over.”

Trump was scathing in his remarks about the two-hundred-and-twenty-nine-year-old document, singling out for special scorn its insistence on three branches of government. “The branches thing is maybe the worst part of this deal,” he said. “The first thing we do when we pull out of the Constitution is get rid of two of those branches.”

He also called the First Amendment “something that really has to go.”

“No one in his right mind would put something like that in a Constitution,” he said. “Russia doesn’t have it. North Korea doesn’t have it. All the best countries don’t have it.”

He stopped short of accusing his predecessor, Barack Obama, of writing the United States Constitution, but said, “He’s working hard behind the scenes trying to save it, because he knows that the Constitution is very, very bad for me.”

Vowing to replace the Constitution with “a new, much, much better Constitution,” he acknowledged that there might be some elements of the original document worth salvaging. “We’re going to keep the Second Amendment,” he said, “and definitely the Fifth.”
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The sad part is, he could have actually said all of these things and no one would think it out of character. How do you parody someone who is already a parody of himself?
 
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woolfe9998 said:
Hilarious spoof by the New Yorker:



The sad part is, he could have actually said all of these things and no one would think it out of character. How do you parody someone who is already a parody of himself?
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The Senate and the Courts have been robbing us blind!
 
theeedude

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If you are an American with foreign born parents, get out and vote, while you still can. You can be stripped of your citizenship at any time by this dictator wannabe and his crew of idiots.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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sdifox said:
Starship Troopers was pointing out the dangers of fascism...
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-Starship Troopers the movie did parody fascism, but the book most certainly does not and it is a criticism that is (not entirely unjustly) leveled against the book.

Not sure if you've read the book, but it's nothing like the movie and a really great piece of classic 50's Sci-Fi. Also one of the earliest and best examples of space marines in powered armor vs. alien bugs.

The core tenent that Heinlein is going for is that anything that is not earned is inherently worthless, so citizenship freely given is meaningless. In his society, citizenship is earned through a 4 year tour of duty in service to the state (as anything, from a soldier to a scientist to a farmer to being a lab rat) and after that service is completed, citizenship is granted and a higher level of civics is acheived merely by the sacrifice made to earn that citizenship.

It's not some airtight manifesto or anything, but there is a kind of intelligence and logic behind the thought that I can appreciate.
 
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I haven't read this entire thread, but didn't Harry Reid also reject the notion of anchor babies back in 1993.

And no I don't think Trump can fix the 14th amendment with an Exec Order. I agree with what Harry Reid said in 1993, it still should be fixed.
 
ivwshane

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pcgeek11 said:
I haven't read this entire thread, but didn't Harry Reid also reject the notion of anchor babies back in 1993.

And no I don't think Trump can fix the 14th amendment with an Exec Order. I agree with what Harry Reid said in 1993, it still should be fixed.
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I'm curious why you didn't bother linking to what Reid said (someone who is no longer in Congress, btw). Apparently you have an awesome memory and can remember what a senator said some 25 years ago said and you aren't just repeating a talking point you recently heard.
 
pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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ivwshane said:
I'm curious why you didn't bother linking to what Reid said (someone who is no longer in Congress, btw). Apparently you have an awesome memory and can remember what a senator said some 25 years ago said and you aren't just repeating a talking point you recently heard.
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Yes, I did see a video of it recently.Is that a problem for you?
Does that make the point invalid that it was 25 years ago or that he is no longer in DC?
 
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