Assuming Hillary does run for president, I think it will be interesting to start this now and see how it evolves over the coming years.
President Hillary - pollage regarding campaign, nomination, election, terms, and job performance
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ProfJohn
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It will certainly be very interesting.
As the first serious female to run for President she will get an 'unfair' amount of news coverage. Whether this helps or hurts is hard to tell.
The press could focus in on every mistake she makes, or gloss over the mistakes, again hard to tell.
Hillary has a TON of baggage that she carries with her, it will be very interesting to see how much of that gets touched on by the MSM. I am sure the right wing/ conservative media will bring up the Rose Law firm stuff, the missing papers 'found' in her office, Hillary care etc etc but will ABC, CBS and NBC?
I would think the best chance the Democrats have to win is to find some nice moderate governor some place and put him on the ticket. Hillary is damaged goods and Obama/Edwards don't have the experience. Someone like a Richardson or that guy from Iowa? that decided not to run. (At least those are the types of people I would think about voting for. No way in Hell I vote for Hillary/Obama/Edwards)
BTW: the spell check tries to change Obama to Osama, maybe Ted should have used that excuse huh?
As the first serious female to run for President she will get an 'unfair' amount of news coverage. Whether this helps or hurts is hard to tell.
The press could focus in on every mistake she makes, or gloss over the mistakes, again hard to tell.
Hillary has a TON of baggage that she carries with her, it will be very interesting to see how much of that gets touched on by the MSM. I am sure the right wing/ conservative media will bring up the Rose Law firm stuff, the missing papers 'found' in her office, Hillary care etc etc but will ABC, CBS and NBC?
I would think the best chance the Democrats have to win is to find some nice moderate governor some place and put him on the ticket. Hillary is damaged goods and Obama/Edwards don't have the experience. Someone like a Richardson or that guy from Iowa? that decided not to run. (At least those are the types of people I would think about voting for. No way in Hell I vote for Hillary/Obama/Edwards)
BTW: the spell check tries to change Obama to Osama, maybe Ted should have used that excuse huh?
Hillary's campaign will be "great" due to the fact that she's going to have a lot of money to spend on it. Probably enough to overcome her shortcomings and get the nomination, but not win the Presidency.
JEDIYoda
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I went to that link you posted.....
The title was SMEARING HILLARY......
I also read that link.....
Lets be frank and honest. Hillary may not hjave done anything illegal.
But her husband did. The American are smart enough to realize that any vote for Hillary is also a vote for Billyboy. IMO that is the main baggage she has...and her stances that she has taken in regards to politics.
I believe that you believe that Hillary has done no wrong. Yet the site you posted is pro Hillary in everyway to the poist of misrepresenting quite a few of the things she has done.
Voting for Hillary == voting for Bill....thanks but no thanks!!
thraashman
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Well, I like Hillary. But quite frankly when was the last time a Senator was elected President? Pretty much every President since the 60's was either a re-elected incumbent, former vice-president, or state governor. Senators simply don't have the leadership experience necessary. A ticket with Hillary as a vice-president, that I think could work, but not as President. Obama needs to get himself a governorship then run for President a little later. I fully think Obama is capable, but he just doesn't have the experience required to earn him the necessary respect.
Lemon law
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The issues are right now the new congress v GWB---and as those events unfold---the 2008 calculus will change.
Right now we have enough past revisionist history---and people trying to write revisionist history about the one day old 110'th congress
to waste any time writing any history about a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
But I do seem to recall a statement by Newt a few Sundays ago to the effect---"No one ever made any money betting against the Clintons."
Even when they blow it---it still comes up roses.
Right now we have enough past revisionist history---and people trying to write revisionist history about the one day old 110'th congress
to waste any time writing any history about a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
But I do seem to recall a statement by Newt a few Sundays ago to the effect---"No one ever made any money betting against the Clintons."
Even when they blow it---it still comes up roses.
Fern
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I think Hillary has a political "tin ear". No matter how much money her campaign will be average at best.
And as I've said before, she's too well known and no amount of money is going to significantly move her "lover her"/"hate her" numbers.
I also agree with the point about her being a Senator is a problem. Senators generally carry to much baggage, there's always some "vote" people can point to and complain about. They also have a hard time claiming credit for anything that goes well - there are 99 other Senators.
I'm going against my usual "no Senator" rule and predicting Edwards/Obama.
Fern
And as I've said before, she's too well known and no amount of money is going to significantly move her "lover her"/"hate her" numbers.
I also agree with the point about her being a Senator is a problem. Senators generally carry to much baggage, there's always some "vote" people can point to and complain about. They also have a hard time claiming credit for anything that goes well - there are 99 other Senators.
I'm going against my usual "no Senator" rule and predicting Edwards/Obama.
Fern
Actually, I take very little position on Hillary. I simply detest the constant charges that the Clintons are sleazeballs. If they were responsible for half of what they have been partisanly accused of, they would be behind bars. Bill Clinton did do something illegal, he lied under oath. As a human being I can understand his motivations for doing so, but I still take the fact that he did so very seriously.
How one votes and for what reason is a personal choice. For some a vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill, but not at for you (since you would not have any intention of voting for Hillary anyway). For those who do vote for Hillary as a proxy for Bill, I am guessing that the voting would be in Hillary's favor.
Lemon law
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Much of Clintons problems were brewed up and amplified by paid agents of the GWB family----with many allegations well into the realm of fanciful conspiracy theories--- and if any honest comparative campaign had been thus sponsored by the dems, the business dealings of the Bush family would place many of them in jail.---but since the days of Prescott Bush--the Bush family has been double dealing with the enemy---from Nazi days to the present.---and why has not GWB released his daddy's papers?
Sure not saying the Clintons are sqeeky clean---but when it comes to the duplicity of what some call the Bush crime family---the magnitude of any Clinton sins pale in comparison.
Sure not saying the Clintons are sqeeky clean---but when it comes to the duplicity of what some call the Bush crime family---the magnitude of any Clinton sins pale in comparison.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Lothar
All the more reason to vote for her don't you think?
what and have another Lothar lewinski scandal...hehee
I'm surprised some people still think the majority of Americans cared about Clinton getting a BJ. If Clinton had been able to run for a third term, I think most people would agree he would have wiped the floor with Dubya.
To be fair, Gore made the same error in judgement. He wouldn't let Clinton do any campaigning for him b/c of the Lewinsky thing. That was a mistake.
The results of the poll at this time are shocking to me. I honestly give Hillary a 50/50 chance, which is way better than what the majority of you guys are polling.
January 20, 2007 - Hillary announces White House run just days after Obama makes noises of his own potential campaign. Hillary seen as the leader with Obama and Edwards trailing.
February 1, 2007 - (AP) WASHINGTON
Hollywood moguls Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen are throwing a fundraiser for U.S. Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign Feb. 20. Some 700 invitations to the $2,300-a-head shindig at the Beverly Hilton Hotel went out this week. Katzenberg, Spielberg and Geffen are the founders of the DreamWorks movie studio. The event will be followed by a private dinner at Geffen's house for donors who've committed to raising $46,000.
February 1, 2007BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist
Barack Obama launches his White House bid with almost nothing in the bank. His chief rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, has more than a $10-million running start for use in her presidential quest. In the money game, even Joe Biden is ahead, with some $4 million in his various campaign warchests. As scooped in my blog Wednesday afternoon, Obama is tapping Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker to be the national finance chairman of his presidential campaign. Pritzker is a member of one of the wealthiest clans in the nation. The Pritzker family founded the Hyatt Hotel chain, one of the biggest and richest private corporations in the United States.
In my opinion, Hillary's name recognition and substantial money lead will eventually cause public friction between her campaign and Obama's. That, and Obama's lack of experience, make him a longshot for the nomination.
Hollywood moguls Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen are throwing a fundraiser for U.S. Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign Feb. 20. Some 700 invitations to the $2,300-a-head shindig at the Beverly Hilton Hotel went out this week. Katzenberg, Spielberg and Geffen are the founders of the DreamWorks movie studio. The event will be followed by a private dinner at Geffen's house for donors who've committed to raising $46,000.
February 1, 2007BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist
Barack Obama launches his White House bid with almost nothing in the bank. His chief rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, has more than a $10-million running start for use in her presidential quest. In the money game, even Joe Biden is ahead, with some $4 million in his various campaign warchests. As scooped in my blog Wednesday afternoon, Obama is tapping Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker to be the national finance chairman of his presidential campaign. Pritzker is a member of one of the wealthiest clans in the nation. The Pritzker family founded the Hyatt Hotel chain, one of the biggest and richest private corporations in the United States.
In my opinion, Hillary's name recognition and substantial money lead will eventually cause public friction between her campaign and Obama's. That, and Obama's lack of experience, make him a longshot for the nomination.
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I think it will be interesting to see if Obama can overcome the money disparity. IMO he won't. Hillary is big bucks, and regardless of the political party, money is the key to getting campaign support and thus more money.
On a side note, IMO Edwards doesn't have a rats chance against Hillary or Obama, so I think he'd be better off spending time with his ailing wife and young children.
I think it will be interesting to see if Obama can overcome the money disparity. IMO he won't. Hillary is big bucks, and regardless of the political party, money is the key to getting campaign support and thus more money.
On a side note, IMO Edwards doesn't have a rats chance against Hillary or Obama, so I think he'd be better off spending time with his ailing wife and young children.
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