President can now declare Martial Law

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

I also dont believe the people who stand on streetcorners holding signs that read "The End is Near." So it's not just you...

I guess the easiest way for the rubber stamping tyrannical majority to justify their ways is to label anybody else crazy. Great way to marginalize the other side. Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean that I am not right.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: K1052
This is odd, I would have though most of the people in P&N would be fairly happy given how many of them were screaming for federal military intervention in post Katrina NO.
I remember people in here raging against Bush for not dropping in Airborne and Rangers to secure the area and I got into several heated arguments about why he couldn't and shouldn't.

The way has been cleared, hope you got what you wanted.

QFT

Don't ask for authority to be an authoritarian if you cannot accept it falling into hands you don't like.

I don?t know under which guise this bill was passed, but it needs to be reversed asap.

 

[db]

palehorse74, your naivete is shocking, and sad. It's too late when your freedom is gone, to do anything about it. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue, but some here want to make it so and thus detract from the real issue.
Do you think power has never been abused? Do you think it never could be?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: db
palehorse74, your naivete is shocking, and sad. It's too late when your freedom is gone, to do anything about it. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue, but some here want to make it so and thus detract from the real issue.
Do you think power has never been abused? Do you think it never could be?

The Republicans, who hold a majority and can pass anything, have allowed this to happen. I am still trying to find a vote breakdown of this. It was also a republican president.

Personally, this is more of a neocon vs everybody else issue.

 

[db]

Potentially a "fascist" issue, actually.
People who would march off a cliff should now decry the previous sentence.
Step right up and present yourselves, sheep.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: db
palehorse74, your naivete is shocking, and sad. It's too late when your freedom is gone, to do anything about it. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue, but some here want to make it so and thus detract from the real issue.
Do you think power has never been abused? Do you think it never could be?

The Republicans, who hold a majority and can pass anything, have allowed this to happen. I am still trying to find a vote breakdown of this. It was also a republican president.

Personally, this is more of a neocon vs everybody else issue.

so, is everyone who supports Bush and the war in Iraq a "neocon"? You deny the very existance of anything in between?

 

[Genx87]

You guys pissed and moaned Bush didnt send in the troops to restore order and provide food\aid right after Katrina without the permission of the state govt. They pass and sign a bill that apparently lets him by pass this and you whine.

I am not terribly happy from what I am reading. But this is what the people were screaming for after Katrina. I guess we got what we asked for :frown:

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Genx87
You guys pissed and moaned Bush didnt send in the troops to restore order and provide food\aid right after Katrina without the permission of the state govt. They pass and sign a bill that apparently lets him by pass this and you whine.

I am not terribly happy from what I am reading. But this is what the people were screaming for after Katrina. I guess we got what we asked for :frown:

They were screaming for troops? Umm, no, they were screaming for humanitarian aid and better preparation.. then they screamed for better handling of funds meant to help people recover that were squandered.. they never asked for troops...

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87
You guys pissed and moaned Bush didnt send in the troops to restore order and provide food\aid right after Katrina without the permission of the state govt. They pass and sign a bill that apparently lets him by pass this and you whine.

I am not terribly happy from what I am reading. But this is what the people were screaming for after Katrina. I guess we got what we asked for :frown:

They were screaming for troops? Umm, no, they were screaming for humanitarian aid and better preparation.. then they screamed for better handling of funds meant to help people recover that were squandered.. they never asked for troops...

Untrue and I got in a number of arguments concerning this issue at the time and after. People here were demanding Bush send in Federal troops to enforce the law.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87
You guys pissed and moaned Bush didnt send in the troops to restore order and provide food\aid right after Katrina without the permission of the state govt. They pass and sign a bill that apparently lets him by pass this and you whine.

I am not terribly happy from what I am reading. But this is what the people were screaming for after Katrina. I guess we got what we asked for :frown:

They were screaming for troops? Umm, no, they were screaming for humanitarian aid and better preparation.. then they screamed for better handling of funds meant to help people recover that were squandered.. they never asked for troops...

There were countless articles and threads in this forum about why the troops werent sent in immediately after the storm to provide aid and secure the area.

So yes, people here and in the press were asking why Bush didnt do this.
Thanks in part to that knee jerk reaction we got this knee jerk reaction.

Thanks :disgust:

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

but where was the outcry by the Democrats before this turd was passed

anybody got a link to the votes in the House and Senate, I would like to know who voted for this bill...

obviously nobody in the Senate was worried enough to mount a filibuster..

house

 

[fitzov]

So yes, people here and in the press were asking why Bush didnt do this.

The responsibility for this bill lies squarely with the republican leadership. You can't weasel your way out of this one.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: fitzov

So yes, people here and in the press were asking why Bush didnt do this.

The responsibility for this bill lies squarely with the republican leadership. You can't weasel your way out of this one.

I am in no way weaseling my way out of anything. I dont approve of something like this.

And for your information democrats also overwhelmingly voted for this bill.
There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87
You guys pissed and moaned Bush didnt send in the troops to restore order and provide food\aid right after Katrina without the permission of the state govt. They pass and sign a bill that apparently lets him by pass this and you whine.

I am not terribly happy from what I am reading. But this is what the people were screaming for after Katrina. I guess we got what we asked for :frown:

They were screaming for troops? Umm, no, they were screaming for humanitarian aid and better preparation.. then they screamed for better handling of funds meant to help people recover that were squandered.. they never asked for troops...

There were countless articles and threads in this forum about why the troops werent sent in immediately after the storm to provide aid and secure the area.

So yes, people here and in the press were asking why Bush didnt do this.
Thanks in part to that knee jerk reaction we got this knee jerk reaction.

Thanks :disgust:

I disagree. You can keep repeating yourself, but it doesn't make you right. The press has to ask questions... it doesn't mean that every question asked means that the public as a whole wants such actions.

 

[imported_Beavis]

plays "Waiting for the Worms" by Pink Floyd

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Aegeon
Among other things this potentially allows the President to declare partial law WHENEVER public order has broken down in his opinion, or any other even such as an epidemic or any sort of natural disaster has occured. There is no check of the state governer having to request it anymore. Theoretically the epidemic could be a typical flu going through the area although its admitedly the military probably wouldn't buy that as an excuse. This is not some old law we're talking about.

Could it be that this law was passed in response to Hurricane Katrina and the problems with the governor of Louisiana not declaring an emergency before hand or "inviting" National Guard troops into her state either?
Her slow response is one of the reasons given for the slow start of the recovery effort.

But it was all Bush's fault.

Here is a case in point where he didn't have the authority and didn't just DO and got hammered for it.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
But it was all Bush's fault.

Here is a case in point where he didn't have the authority and didn't just DO and got hammered for it.

Actually it you read what I previously posted in this thread you would note that the Governer of Lousiana accepted an offer of National Guard troops from New Mexico DAYS in advance of the storm hitting, but it took almost a week for the Bush adminstration to grant approval for such an aciton. Basically we're talking about a myth that apparent is being to justify this seizure of power.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Edit... wrong context

 

[fitzov]

And for your information democrats also overwhelmingly voted for this bill.

You're right, and that's unfortunate, but the GOP controls the committees, which means, they created the bill and pushed it through. What usually happens at the end of an election cycle like this is reps are so afraid to vote against anything that is connected to something else that their constituency would be pissed about them not voting for.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: fitzov

And for your information democrats also overwhelmingly voted for this bill.

You're right, and that's unfortunate, but the GOP controls the committees, which means, they created the bill and pushed it through. What usually happens at the end of an election cycle like this is reps are so afraid to vote against anything that is connected to something else that their constituency would be pissed about them not voting for.

so that then begs the question: In this case, why do the Republicans take all of the blame? Can't we blame everyone who voted "aye"? So far, I don't see that happening in this thread. Not that I expected it to be any other way of course...

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: fitzov

And for your information democrats also overwhelmingly voted for this bill.

You're right, and that's unfortunate, but the GOP controls the committees, which means, they created the bill and pushed it through. What usually happens at the end of an election cycle like this is reps are so afraid to vote against anything that is connected to something else that their constituency would be pissed about them not voting for.

so that then begs the question: In this case, why do the Republicans take all of the blame? Can't we blame everyone who voted "aye"? So far, I don't see that happening in this thread. Not that I expected it to be any other way of course...

That would mean that a Democrat did something wrong, and we all know that never happens. Even if they did vote for it, they were obviously pressured into it, its always somebody elses fault remember?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
But it was all Bush's fault.

Here is a case in point where he didn't have the authority and didn't just DO and got hammered for it.

Actually it you read what I previously posted in this thread you would note that the Governer of Lousiana accepted an offer of National Guard troops from New Mexico DAYS in advance of the storm hitting, but it took almost a week for the Bush adminstration to grant approval for such an aciton. Basically we're talking about a myth that apparent is being to justify this seizure of power.

Ding ding ding!

We have a winner.

 

[fitzov]

lol

conservatives disapprove of their party's bill, yet point at democrats for voting for it...hilarious

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: fitzov
lol

conservatives disapprove of their party's bill, yet point at democrats for voting for it...hillarious

lol,

democrats dissaprove of a bill that their party members signed and obviously agree with, yet point at republicans for voting for it...hillarious

lol,

btw, what exactly is the "conservative" party?

 

[fitzov]

democrats dissaprove of a bill that their party members signed and obviously agree with, yet point at republicans for voting for it...hillarious

I point at the GOP for engineering and pushing the bill through committee...you can't blame the dems for that.