President Bush increases his lead over Sen. John Kerry

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Kerry in trouble



Bush led Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, 51 percent to 46 percent in the survey of likely voters, which was conducted Friday through Sunday. The survey interviewed 1,003 adults, including a subsample of 767 respondents deemed most likely to vote in November.

When consumer activist Ralph Nader's independent candidacy was factored in, the survey's results were 50 percent for Bush, 44 percent for Kerry and 4 percent for Nader among likely voters.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: ThePresence

USA Today article

Thanks for the link...this is a new statistic I haven't seen:

56% agree that Bush "means what he says and says what he means." Just 44% say that of Kerry.

Less than half of Americans believe what Kerry says...this is troubling.

Nice way to spin those numbers. That's not what it means at all. No wonder this country's going to hell in a bucket. People, like yourself, just cannot understand something that's not a two-second soundbite.


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=awZ22Tw8e0A4&refer=us

Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, has support from 47 percent of likely voters to Bush's 44 percent, according to the poll conducted April 15-17. Among self-described independents, Kerry, 60, leads Bush, 57, 48 percent to 38 percent. About 7 percent of voters are undecided. The survey of 1,049 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Nationwide, when independent candidate Ralph Nader was included in the voter preference question, Kerry and Bush each drew 45 percent, data posted on Zogby's Web site shows. Nader, 70, a consumer rights advocate, got 3 percent support.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur

Thanks for the link...this is a new statistic I haven't seen:

56% agree that Bush "means what he says and says what he means." Just 44% say that of Kerry.

Less than half of Americans believe what Kerry says...this is troubling.

Nice way to spin those numbers. That's not what it means at all. No wonder this country's going to hell in a bucket. People, like yourself, just cannot understand something that's not a two-second soundbite.

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Please, help with with the inferences, then.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: conjur
Nice way to spin those numbers. That's not what it means at all. No wonder this country's going to hell in a bucket. People, like yourself, just cannot understand something that's not a two-second soundbite.

Please, help with with the inferences, then.

All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry. And, considering Bush's views are rather myopic and simple-minded, I can see how it doesn't take much effort to express them.

Kerry provokes people to actually think.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: conjur
Nice way to spin those numbers. That's not what it means at all. No wonder this country's going to hell in a bucket. People, like yourself, just cannot understand something that's not a two-second soundbite.

Please, help with with the inferences, then.

All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry. And, considering Bush's views are rather myopic and simple-minded, I can see how it doesn't take much effort to express them.

Kerry provokes people to actually think.



"I dont do nuance"
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: conjur

Nice way to spin those numbers. That's not what it means at all. No wonder this country's going to hell in a bucket. People, like yourself, just cannot understand something that's not a two-second soundbite.
Please, help with with the inferences, then.
All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry. And, considering Bush's views are rather myopic and simple-minded, I can see how it doesn't take much effort to express them.

Kerry provokes people to actually think.
"I dont do nuance"

Baaaaaa



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Originally posted by: conjur

All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry.

Say it isn't so...how could this be? I thought the question asked if each person "means what he says and says what he means." This is more of a character issue and a credibility issue...your "views" spin is a half-baked inferential leap of death. RIP.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: conjur
All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry.

Let me guess... the democrats are just having a hard time getting their message out, again...
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: conjur
All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry.

Let me guess... the democrats are just having a hard time getting their message out, again...

That's one way to look at it. Personally, I'd rather have had John Edwards as the nominee.

But, they're moving forward. Kerry's appearance on Sunday's Meet The Press was a great leap forward.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: novon
Kerry will win - it's just a matter of time.


Maybe, but the election is in november. Im not sure if hell is scheduled to freeze over before then. Im pretty sure that happens right after pigs fly.
:shocked:
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: conjur
All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry.

Let me guess... the democrats are just having a hard time getting their message out, again...

That's one way to look at it. Personally, I'd rather have had John Edwards as the nominee.

But, they're moving forward. Kerry's appearance on Sunday's Meet The Press was a great leap forward.


I completely agree. I wanted Edwards to win because he had the best shot of beating Bush. I never understood why so many Democrats thought Kerry had the best chance. When I see Kerry, I think of Dukakis.
 

conjur

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I don't see Kerry as Dukakis. Dukakis was a schmuck. Kerry's been on the inside too long to be that. But, that's also part of his lack of appeal. He's been on the inside for years and is part of the "old school".

But, his ideas and plans are far better to a safer and healthier America than are Bush's (lack of plans.)
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: conjur
I don't see Kerry as Dukakis. Dukakis was a schmuck. Kerry's been on the inside too long to be that. But, that's also part of his lack of appeal. He's been on the inside for years and is part of the "old school".

But, his ideas and plans are far better to a safer and healthier America than are Bush's (lack of plans.)


Oh, really? What exactly DOES Kerry support and believe in? It's hard for me to keep up with all of the flip-flopping...
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: conjur
I don't see Kerry as Dukakis. Dukakis was a schmuck. Kerry's been on the inside too long to be that. But, that's also part of his lack of appeal. He's been on the inside for years and is part of the "old school".

But, his ideas and plans are far better to a safer and healthier America than are Bush's (lack of plans.)

Oh, really? What exactly DOES Kerry support and believe in? It's hard for me to keep up with all of the flip-flopping...

Your last sentence says it all. You're just another sheep in the flock.
 

daniel1113

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First of all, you didn't answer my question.

Second, please explain your comment. I don't think there is a single person that knows where Kerry truly stands on the issues (as is proven by your inability to answer my first question). Care to prove me wrong?
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: conjur

All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry.



Let me guess... the democrats are just having a hard time getting their message out, again...



That's one way to look at it. Personally, I'd rather have had John Edwards as the nominee.



But, they're moving forward. Kerry's appearance on Sunday's Meet The Press was a great leap forward.





I completely agree. I wanted Edwards to win because he had the best shot of beating Bush. I never understood why so many Democrats thought Kerry had the best chance. When I see Kerry, I think of Dukakis.

Same here....I voted for Edwards myself. But Ill be voting for Bush come November..... I don't like Kerry, nor trust him.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: conjur
I don't see Kerry as Dukakis. Dukakis was a schmuck. Kerry's been on the inside too long to be that. But, that's also part of his lack of appeal. He's been on the inside for years and is part of the "old school".

But, his ideas and plans are far better to a safer and healthier America than are Bush's (lack of plans.)
That's not what America thinks.

From the USA Today article:

The survey illustrates Bush's strong edge over Kerry when it comes to national security. By 2-to-1, voters say only Bush, not Kerry, would do a good job in handling terrorism. By nearly as much, 40% to 26%, they say only Bush would do a good job in handling the situation in Iraq. Bush's approval rating on handling terrorism is a muscular 60%.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: conjur
I don't see Kerry as Dukakis. Dukakis was a schmuck. Kerry's been on the inside too long to be that. But, that's also part of his lack of appeal. He's been on the inside for years and is part of the "old school".

But, his ideas and plans are far better to a safer and healthier America than are Bush's (lack of plans.)

Oh, really? What exactly DOES Kerry support and believe in? It's hard for me to keep up with all of the flip-flopping...

Your last sentence says it all. You're just another sheep in the flock.

First of all, you didn't answer my question.

Second, please explain your comment. I don't think there is a single person that knows where Kerry truly stands on the issues (as is proven by your inability to answer my first question). Care to prove me wrong?



Stop Accusing Kerry Of Being a Flip flop wehn ALL politicians Do it. Hell our current President Has flip floped off of so many of Campaign Promises its sickening. Remember him outlining what is needed for us Troop involvement? ALL politicians Flip flop. All politicians Are corupt. Your Blind Partisanship prevents you from seeing this.