Prescott or Barton?

[Adn4n]

I was just about to order my P4 2.8 HT prescott when my AMD-buddy told me to get an AMD processor instead. He suggested the cheap Barton 2500, since its overclocking capabilities are supposed to be great. Now here's my question. Should I opt for my P4, or go for a barton; or maybe another cpu. It should be in the price range as the p4(~180-200). I'm looking for game performance period. Please post your comments.

Edit: No Northwoods please, I can cool a prescott just fine.

 

[clarkey01]

AXP-M 2500+ gets to 2.6Ghz on air, thats like a 3.5/.3.6Ghz P4 easy. However given better cooling a prescott can hit close to or above 4 Ghz.

desktop barton, dont go near it.

 

[Adn4n]

I said the same to him, but he insisted that the barton is still better due to its architecture. Still confused.

 

[Frew]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
I'm looking for game performance period.

I would go AMD64 then. For $100-200 you could get a 3000+ or a 3200+.

 

[Adn4n]

That would be advantageous when a full version of Windows 64 is finally released, but I heard that 3000 and 3200 do not have the same overclocking capabilities as the 2500; something about the multiplier bein closed or unmobile(excuse my lack of knowledge)

Edit: Ah I see, what is the exact difference between an Athlon 64 and an Athlon 64 Mobile

 

[clarkey01]

the barton architecture is better however it needs clockspeed to show this, 2.2Ghz (3200) doesnt stand up to a P4C 3.2Ghz, get a mobile and get it to 2.6Ghz, or like adn-4n get and A64, even a 2800 would be good !.

 

[Adn4n]

Well these are my two choices then:

Intel:
ASUS P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology

AMD:
ASUS K8N-E Deluxe
AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3200+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor 62W

I think I'll be going with the Athlon then; but once again: what is the difference between mobile and normal Athlons?

Edit: Ok so mobiles use 25% less energy, but are they just for notebooks? Please help me on this one.

 

[Frew]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Well these are my two choices then:

Intel:
ASUS P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology

AMD:
ASUS K8N-E Deluxe
AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3200+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor 62W

I think I'll be going with the Athlon then; but once again: what is the difference between mobile and normal Athlons?

Edit: Ok so mobiles use 25% less energy, but are they just for notebooks? Please help me on this one.

I dont know if a Moblie works with that motherboard. I would just get the desktop version.

 

[Adn4n]

Well, the sockets do fit into one another. This might seem repetitive, but what's the difference between Mobile and normal???????

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

get the mobile if you want to oc better. the only differences are the mobile uses a good deal less power at stock setings and has an unlocked multiplier. they overclock to higher speeds than the desktops do with the same cooling, and are easier to achieve your best overclock because of the unlocked multipler.
PS unlocked multiplier means it isn't locked to say 10 times the fsb speed like mine. therefore you can overclock by raising the miltiplier without raising the fsb. that way you can find a better combination of fsb, memory speed, and processor speed with your components. hope this helps

 

[lobadobadingdong]

if you're just going to play games on it, I'd suggest going with an athlon 64 combo.

 

[carlosd]

Go athlon 64, it will be cheaper than presscot and perform better.

 

[carlosd]

Go athlon 64, it will be cheaper than presscot and performs better.

 

[Mik3y]

i havent seen any benefits in overclocking for anyone who's actually tried overclocking an athlon 64 mobile. if you could tell us how well it oc's when u get the system, that'd be great.

 

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: carlosd
Go athlon 64, it will be cheaper than presscot and perform better.

Actually the mobile costs me around $80 more than the prescott I had in mind. Thanks a lot for the help guys, I'll make sure to post OC results after I get the system.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
i havent seen any benefits in overclocking for anyone who's actually tried overclocking an athlon 64 mobile. if you could tell us how well it oc's when u get the system, that'd be great.

OK, I think we got some confusion here.

It started about Bartons, desktop and mobiles.

Then went to the AMD 64 chips, now I think we leaped to AMD 64 mobile by accident.

To summarize what I think it s/b - get a mobile Barton or a AMD 64 (desktop).

'Cuse me if I'm the one confused.

Fern

 

[Xenon14]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
I was just about to order my P4 2.8 HT prescott when my AMD-buddy told me to get an AMD processor instead. He suggested the cheap Barton 2500, since its overclocking capabilities are supposed to be great. Now here's my question. Should I opt for my P4, or go for a barton; or maybe another cpu. It should be in the price range as the p4(~180-200). I'm looking for game performance period. Please post your comments.

Edit: No Northwoods please, I can cool a prescott just fine.

Neither. Get an AMD Athlon64 2800+; it will destroy a barton or and most (except for the highest endl) p4's in games, and it's relatively cheap.

 

[o1die]

Get a regular athlon 64 retail boxed. Avoid the mobile athlon 64. It starts out underclocked, and won't even post on a few boards. Not worth the extra money.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Xenon14

Originally posted by: Adn4n
I was just about to order my P4 2.8 HT prescott when my AMD-buddy told me to get an AMD processor instead. He suggested the cheap Barton 2500, since its overclocking capabilities are supposed to be great. Now here's my question. Should I opt for my P4, or go for a barton; or maybe another cpu. It should be in the price range as the p4(~180-200). I'm looking for game performance period. Please post your comments.

Edit: No Northwoods please, I can cool a prescott just fine.

Neither. Get an AMD Athlon64 2800+; it will destroy a barton or and most (except for the highest endl) p4's in games, and it's relatively cheap.

Well, I really like the Athlon64 3200 newcastle (2.2 ghz) at $218, and it OC's great on the nforce boards with agp lock (and via when it works)

If budget is a concern, get the 2800+ like Xenon14 said.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
That would be advantageous when a full version of Windows 64 is finally released, but I heard that 3000 and 3200 do not have the same overclocking capabilities as the 2500

It does not matter how far you OC the Barton, it won't be as fast as even a moderately OC'd A64

be a little more future proof and get the Athlon64 for sure.

 

[Adn4n]

Ok so now I'm pondering between an Athlon 64 and an Athlon 64 Mobile. I see the Newcastle has a higher frequency, but I'll go with a Clawhammer 1mb cache. So now the question is, mobile or not?

Originally posted by: o1die
Get a regular athlon 64 retail boxed. Avoid the mobile athlon 64. It starts out underclocked, and won't even post on a few boards. Not worth the extra money.

The mobile I looked at is $250(3200+ Clawhammer), which is just right for me. Now you say they start underclocked, but with the right cooling I could push them higher than a normal desktop Athlon.

How high could I overclock a desktop(un-mobile) Athlon 3200+ Clawhammer anywho?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Do not bother with moble Athlon 64s. Just get the desktop verison. See o1die's post above.

 

[Shimmishim]

Yes

avoid the mobiles... there have been no reports so far that the mobile A64's voerclock better than their desktop countertop.

there are also lots of compatibility issues...

also the mobiles do not have a heatspreader so there is the issue of getting good contact with heatsinks...

and yes, a moderately overclocked A64 should be faster than even a 2.6 ghz air barton...

but if the issue at hand is barton vs prescott as the title says...

for gaming, barton is the way to go
for encoding, video... etc... prescott is the way to go