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prescott or amd 64? advice please

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slagment

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I can't figure out what is more worth it.

I want 64 bit support and pci-express. Is it worth getting a prescott over a amd 64 for the ddr2? DDR2 is faster but prescott only has 800mhz front side bus and is more costly. Is it better to get one expensive video card or to SLI too cheaper cards togather? If I get ddr2 will i have to get the ddr2 800 to notice a difference? I also don't what to get stuck holding ddr2 and amd 64 when the M-2 hits in 2006. Does the 1000mhz front side bus on the amd 64fx matter when your stuck using ddr 400?

Lot of questions,

thanks
 
ddr2 is worthless imo, too high latency penalty. Prescotts are slower than athlon64s, and much hotter to boot. And which video cards are you talking about? In most cases one single 6800GT will beat 2 SLI 6600GT...
 
DDR2 may run at a higher frequency, but it's not actualy faster. It has higher latencies, and it's more expensive on top of that. AMD doesn't really have an actual front side bus, it has a hypertransport bus, and the memory controller is on die, giving it much faster memory access. Also, A64's are not bandwidth hungry like P4's, you could run at DDR333 without reducing your performance by much, while that would starve a P4. It depends some on what programs you run, but if you plan on gaming at all, then the A64 is much faster hands down. Only if you were doing video encoding would I even consider recomending a prescott. Also prescotts run hot. I actualy had to go to water cooling to keep my 3.4ghz prescott from throttling at stock speeds. As for SLI, it would be better to get a 6800GT than to get someting like 2 6600gt's in SLI, as the single faster card is still faster in almost all cases, and not all games work properly in SLI mode.
 
Originally posted by: Azzy64
Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
If you are an idiot go wit intel.
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fixed 😉
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lol...

at this pointp prescott is a dying core.. even intel won't push it..

they'll sell u the dual core stuff but that wont' last..

for now, amd is the way to go..
 
Thanks, i feel much better already. Amd 64 is the way to go. One video card instead of 2 sli cards. I am building a gaming system, sorry for not saying that sooner. I also have been tossing around ideas for my hard drive configuration. I was thinking one 10,000 rpm raptor for loading the operating system-sata. Then 2 120gig sata2 drivers on raid 0 for loading my games and programs. Then 200gig usb drive for backup. I know raid doesn't help that much, but i want to play around with it. Does anyone have any suggestions or different ideas. Also a good way to image sata drives for system recovery would be nice. I got about 2100 to spend on a new computer. Suggestions?

i have been in kuwait for a year and i am really out of the loop on hardware, any knowledge you can pass to me will be greatly appericated.


-thanks
 
Look guys, he wants simple answers, so here they are ==>
AMD - games
Intel - office apps + heavier multitasking
DDR2 - workstations: yes, speed up?: no
SLI - workstations: yes, games: no
 
I know raid doesn't help that much . . .
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I have exactly what you said you want in your system for hard drives. A separate drive for the os and 2 sata drives in raid 0. This will significantly help with loading a game or between map changes. I have 2 systems that I have played city of heroes on at the same time. An intel 3ghz 1meg cache with a 7,200 rpm drive and an amd 64 2800 with the drive setup mentioned above. I get into the game and the map changes in about 3 seconds on the raid system and about 15-30 seconds on the other system! Raid will help you much and is the way to go 😉
 
Thanks again. Guess I will start putting something togather. I will ask for your advice again before I start buying parts.
 
the only thing with raid is that it is really hard to set up a lot of times, and you can run into some problems. also, if a drive goes, you're pretty much screwed. but, i would recommend installing all your games on the raptor. otherstuff can go somewheres else. i certainly wouldnt do raid, but if you really want to...
 
Originally posted by: Valkerie
Look guys, he wants simple answers, so here they are ==>
AMD - games
Intel - office apps + heavier multitasking
DDR2 - workstations: yes, speed up?: no
SLI - workstations: yes, games: no
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Well I would recommend AMD for office apps as well; There's no stability issues with AMD I know of; They run quieter and cooler.
 
AMD...no question, unless you aare building a semi bidget computer and only want to surf the web and do some office work then that is the only thing i would recomend Intel's new DC's for...that or heavy video encoding (but then you might want a workstation platform anyway)

AMD
 
A few days off, I know, but I figure that's not enough for time to be a big deal...


An intel 3ghz 1meg cache with a 7,200 rpm drive and an amd 64 2800 with the drive setup mentioned above. I get into the game and the map changes in about 3 seconds on the raid system and about 15-30 seconds on the other system! Raid will help you much and is the way to go 😉
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A difference that large is almost certainly due to other factors. Maybe there are other hardware bottlenecks here, maybe (this seems the most likely one to me) there's something mixed up on the software end of things for the slower machine. Either way, it is not possible for that to be all RAID 0's doing even in the absolute best-case scenario.


I've always read raid 0 i pointless on desktops.... only 5% performance increase max
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It's pointless on some desktops, but it's a godsend on others. It depends exactly what you use your desktop for. RAID 0 is excellent if you need high sustained r/w speeds for serious video editing or a whole lot of file transfers (or whatever), but it's not going to help much with gaming or typical office usage.
 
Originally posted by: Azzy64
...In most cases one single 6800GT will beat 2 SLI 6600GT...
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I'd like to see some references to that little retarded claim of yours (Remember you said MOST cases).
I don't like it when people talk crap without even realising it.
 
Originally posted by: DrCrap
Originally posted by: Azzy64
...In most cases one single 6800GT will beat 2 SLI 6600GT...
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I'd like to see some references to that little retarded claim of yours (Remember you said MOST cases).
I don't like it when people talk crap without even realising it.
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Read some benchmarks... This site has quite a few here...

Edit: Check out this one especially. 6600gt SLI does well with no AA/AF, but with any AA/AF, the 6800gt rapes it...
 
Originally posted by: DrCrap
Originally posted by: Azzy64
...In most cases one single 6800GT will beat 2 SLI 6600GT...
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I'd like to see some references to that little retarded claim of yours (Remember you said MOST cases).
I don't like it when people talk crap without even realising it.
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If your not using AA or AF, and are running at a higher resolution (anything more than 1024x768), then a single 6800GT will beat a pair of 6600GT's. But when you start turning on AA and AF, and running the resolution at something lower (like 1024x768), the 6600GT's will have the lead.


Your best option is probably to buy a 6800GT now, and then in six or twelve months when they are dirt-cheap, get another one to use in SLI with it. That's what Im planning to do with my video cards.

RoD

In reply to your first question: an athlon64 will definately beat a prescott of the same price in gaming.
 
Originally posted by: Valkerie
Look guys, he wants simple answers, so here they are ==>
AMD - games
Intel - office apps + heavier multitasking
DDR2 - DOGSHYTE
SLI - workstations: yes, games: no
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Fixed
 
Here is the planned guts for my new system.

SAPPHIRE 100108-RD Radeon X850PRO 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card - OEM

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3700BNBOX - Retail

OCZ Enhanced Latency Series Gold Edition 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory Model OCZ500512ELGEVX - Retail x2

Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JS 250GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA II Hard Drive - OEM

Motherboard-Can't figure out wich one i want. Please advise.

My goal is to overclock the cpu to 2.4 and to overclock the graphics card as high as it will go. I will build my own water cooling system, if nessary. Please give suggestions on a motherboard, or anything. Please let me know if there is any room for improvent, with in the same price range, or if i have anything that is over kill. Advice on cooling would be nice. Thanks
 
DFI mobo for OCing.

That video card isn't as good as it would seem.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but IIRC, the X800XL actually outperforms the more expensive X850 Pro?

Edit: I was correct.

The X800XL > X850 Pro. So unless that Pro is cheaper than the X800XL, don't get it.
The X850XT(PE) would be a nice card, but ATM, i'd recommend the X800XL, since you can sell it later & grab an X950 Pro/XT/XT PE/whatever if you want.
 
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