Prescott CPU and WinXP Gaming!!!

[t00nCiNaToR]

OK Here it is.... I have a ES Prescott and I know yer all gonna say well.... Tough Luck and bite the bullet... BUT!!! No matter what I do I cannot play 75% of the games I own with 3.2E-ES in an XP environment, I hope this is not a sign of things to come with this extremely scaleable, ok... HOT cpu. I can and do run any game in Win2K without a hitch but in XP, the game loads quick... then back to desktop without so much as a scr*w you in the EV LOG file... ???? is anyone else having this problem, I'm sorry but for now I HAVE to say it's an OS or Video driver issue because in 2K all games work awesome and there are no issues with this 3.2 Prescott running @ 4ghz, and yes I have tried the CPU at 2800MHz with XP it's the same deal??? Any Ideas?? at this point I'm willing to try anything... with an 11043 Drhystone it's hard to just let go.... Thanks Dudes!!

 

[AFB]

Get a big @55 fan ! Problem solved.

 

[DaveSimmons]

You sure it isn't just an OS/game issue? I couldn't get Star Trek Armada to run properly under XP in either native or compatibility mode and I have a normal P4C.

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Thanks, but I have enough water on this CPU that God himself couldn't keep it any cooler unless he had "Phase Exchange Cooling!!!" At 34'C Degrees Idle, heat is not an issue... Plus... as I said in my Post it runs sweet in 2K!!! Anyone else??

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Oh yeah... here's a Breakdown of the rest:

ATI 9800 Pro
1024MB's of DDR PC3200 @ 217 - No Probs anywhere.
2 X Maxtor SATA 80Gig's (RAID 0+1)
Asus P4P800 With BIOS 1014 - 1015 Bites, Don't touch it!
TB Santa Cruz
ASUS FM TV Tuner
Pioneer DVD/R/+-

That's about it, anything else you need to know??

Get Back!

 

[DaveSimmons]

That's about it, anything else you need to know??

Like I said, it could be XP not the CPU. What specific games have you tried?

Also, as long as you're running above stock, the CPU may well be an issue -- memory errors that don't hurt in W2K might bite you in XP since it has a different memory footprint and updated VM, disk caching, etc.

 

[AIWGuru]

If it works fine not overclocked, it's an overclocking issue. That's pretty obvious.

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

All Games that I really want to play and some I don't:

Conan - Works awesome in 2K... No XP!

Armed & Dangerous - Works awesome in 2K... No XP!

Trackmania...
Spellforce.....
LOTR....

But they all work in XP with my northwood???
And they all work in 2K with my prescott...???

No Clue at all, that's why I'm here, I'm at a loss.....

Thanks Guys!!!

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Holy wow AIWGuru did you read my Posts??? OC'ing is absolutley a non issue with this rig, it does it @ 2800 or 4000MHz, put in a Northwood with the same rig and all is well, Keep the Prescott and install 2K and all is well... Install XP with the Prescott and all turns to crud??? Well???

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

I hear ya Dave...

"Also, as long as you're running above stock, the CPU may well be an issue -- memory errors that don't hurt in W2K might bite you in XP since it has a different memory footprint and updated VM, disk caching, etc."

Can you go a little more into detail why the Mem handling procedures in XP are different from 2K? as I don't think it's a memory issue at the moment and may need a bit of poking to see the light of day... Thanks...

 

[BD231]

Sounds like a driver conflict more than anything. Perhaps ATI needs to optimize for the Prescott, or maybe MSoft will come out with a CPU driver.

Is AGP fast writes on?

 

[RanDum72]

Well, their point is, have you run the setup at stock speeds or at default settings and see if everything is OK? If you did, and its still flaky, maybe the BIOS revision is not up to snuff yet on Prescott support. And you said its an 'ES' or engineering sample?

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Absolutely... I've even underclocked it, I tried everything... I guess what I really looking for is someone who has one and has got at least the Games I mentioned to run on it, I'm not saying that "NO" games run on it... I mean Q3, UT UT2003, MOH, COD all run awesome... but you can see where I don't really want to mess with something that plays "Most Games" heh heh... man you guys give me something to think about, thanks all!!!

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Yeah it's a P4 3.2E Prescott Engineering Sample(14-16). - And in 2K it's awesome, don't get me wrong I love 2K and Linux, I would just like to see it work better in XP than this...

 

[DaveSimmons]

Here's a thought: did you install XP and the games while overclocked? XP, the video drivers, and/or the games may not have installed properly, especially if you're getting memory corruption.

Can you go a little more into detail why the Mem handling procedures in XP are different from 2K?

Just newer code, re-optimized.

Win2K was frozen and just patched, new code went into XP even though it's just the newest version of the same Windows NT code base.

Even shifting around the locations of VM and disk cache in memory could trigger a memory problem -- one W2K server I set up had a small bad patch in its second RAM stick that didn't cause any problems until I went to install SQL Server.

Similarly, if W2K was avoiding the bad patch (or assigned it to a part of the CD cache that never got used) it could run fine, while XP assigns that same bad patch to something important.

 

[RanDum72]

I think its either a mobo BIOS issue or a software issue, which may mean XP drivers and/or the game(s) need updates to run reliably with Prescott.

 

[jdogg707]

I am thinking BIOS issue too, have you set everything in the BIOS to its Fail-Safe option? Have you tried cutting ACPI off in the BIOS and see whether that helps or not? Also, what revision of Direct X are you running? Were you running the same version under Windows 2000? How about your Service Packs, which version were you running under 2000 and are you running SP1 in Windows XP with all critical updates loaded? As far as the programs running during gameplay, are they the same on both operating systems? Can you run 3DMark at all? Sometimes the smallest, stupidest thing will keep you from running the way you want.

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

I know it makes no Sense:

1014 P4P800 "Will not install 1015, No OC'ing at all with Northwood or Prescott", Plus games don't run @ default settings anyhow with XP and Prescott"
XP SP1 all updates...
2000 SP4 all Updates..
DX9.0B on Both

This thread could be handy for anyone lookin to get a 478 Prescott... early....

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Also, what revision of Direct X are you running? = 9.0B
Were you running the same version under Windows 2000? = Yes
As far as the programs running during gameplay, are they the same on both operating systems? = Yes(Fresh installs, Different FS(NTFS and FAT32)
Can you run 3DMark at all? = Yes 2001SE and 2003 loop for 24hrs
Sometimes the smallest, stupidest thing will keep you from running the way you want = I know but how do I fix it??? heh heh... That's why I'm here...

 

[jdogg707]

hmm, any other Motherboard you could try it on? Do you have a Northwood you could try in it?

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: jdogg707
hmm, any other Motherboard you could try it on? Do you have a Northwood you could try in it?

i like that idea
throw in your old cpu if it was an upgrade and compare

maybe the cpu is infact doa

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

Yup tried it on my P4C800 Deluxe... No "E" and it was the same... I like the P4P better for personal reasons... We're doin good, all I need is for some peep with the same kinda rig to see this and say... Hey I fixed that!!!! If he says go abit, I will... but I also heard MSI blocked all VCore increase because of heat, anyhow this is not really a OC or Freak thread we can do that elsewhere... heh heh ... Guess I just have to get used to 2000... Not that I mind I love 2K, it's clean and does all I want it too... But XP is more geared toward gaming ... in my case, no. heh heh

 

[jdogg707]

Might want to take this thread down to the CPU/Overclocking forum as there are a few guys down there with Prescotts who may be able to offer an opinion. Good luck getting it fixed.

 

[t00nCiNaToR]

See earlier post: My 2.8 Northwood Works the same with both OS's OC'd pretty high with the same Hardware exactly, no probs with any games....

 

[sharkeeper]

What power supply do you have?

I have no issues with these new CPU's. People are asking for them in SOHO servers because of the 1MB L2!

Cheers!