Pres. Obama has completely lost it: Calls Foxnews 'destructive'

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Jhhnn

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So lets assume that fox is an extension of the GOP. Does it worry you that they are attracting so many viewers? What does this say about left leaning new sources and how the general population feels about them?

So, uhh, anybody who's not Faux is left leaning?

I'm sure they want you to think that way...
 

Double Trouble

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Any citizen has a right to express his opinions, and Obama is no different in that regard. I find the fact that a sitting president specifically rails against one particular news organization -- the only large one that doesn't support him 100% -- is somewhat disturbing. And yes, I would have had the same opinion if Bush specifically called MSNBC or some other media outlet "destructive", even though just about every media outlet hated his guts and did whatever they could to get him out of office.

There are things that any regular citizen can do that are simply not appropriate for a president to do. The average citizen is perfectly fine saying "Bush sucks!" or "Clinton sucks!"... but I'd be appalled to hear a sitting president say something like that about a previous president, just like I don't think it's appropriate to be making such comments about the only media outlet that opposes your political agenda. It smells like Chavez lite.
 

Double Trouble

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So, uhh, anybody who's not Faux is left leaning?

I'm sure they want you to think that way...

The major media outlets (TV and newspaper), with the exception of fox and some specific papers, range from left leaning to far left. That's exactly what makes fox get such huge ratings. If you don't want news with a left-leaning slant, you either find your news from other sources like BBC, or you are forced to get your news from the fox blowhards. The ratings speak for themselves.
 

bozack

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I've never watched Fox News, but seeing how it pisses off you nutjobs they must be doing something right.

This = thread.

Obama is a moron for saying this, all he is going to do is strengthen Fox's case and ignite their fanbase.

And fwiw they are all pretty slanted and biased at this point, so it is all relative as to what people think is truly on the mark.
 

woolfe9999

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Any citizen has a right to express his opinions, and Obama is no different in that regard. I find the fact that a sitting president specifically rails against one particular news organization -- the only large one that doesn't support him 100% -- is somewhat disturbing. And yes, I would have had the same opinion if Bush specifically called MSNBC or some other media outlet "destructive", even though just about every media outlet hated his guts and did whatever they could to get him out of office.

There are things that any regular citizen can do that are simply not appropriate for a president to do. The average citizen is perfectly fine saying "Bush sucks!" or "Clinton sucks!"... but I'd be appalled to hear a sitting president say something like that about a previous president, just like I don't think it's appropriate to be making such comments about the only media outlet that opposes your political agenda. It smells like Chavez lite.

He was specifically asked about Fox News by the interviewer. What do you want him to do, lie?

As to not "supporting him 100%," that is rather an intentional understatement, and it's also a false implication that the rest of the media does support him 100%.

- wolf
 

Double Trouble

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He was specifically asked about Fox News by the interviewer. What do you want him to do, lie?

If the interviewer asked him what he thought about Bush, would it be OK for him to say "that guy was a dumb-ass, he screwed everything up" - even if it's true? No, he would say "I don't think the previous administration took all the steps needed to get us on the right track" or something like that. How hard would it have been to say "I don't agree with a lot of the perspectives presented on Fox", instead of essentially accusing them of being something destroying the nation? It's unbecoming for a president, whether it's true or not. Know what is appropriate to say is part of being a statesman, this is an example of his lack of experience in such a role.

As to not "supporting him 100%," that is rather an intentional understatement, and it's also a false implication that the rest of the media does support him 100%.
I'd say that's not a false implication at all. The vast majority of large media outlets DO support him 100%.
 

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Yeah, Obama is right on that. Fox is biased as hell to the right. MSNBC is pretty biased to the left. CNN isn't biased left or right, they are just really fucking retarded.
 

Jhhnn

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The major media outlets (TV and newspaper), with the exception of fox and some specific papers, range from left leaning to far left. That's exactly what makes fox get such huge ratings. If you don't want news with a left-leaning slant, you either find your news from other sources like BBC, or you are forced to get your news from the fox blowhards. The ratings speak for themselves.

Yeh, like I said, for Righties, "Left and left leaning" is anybody who's not Faux.

There is no credible "Left" in this country, certainly nothing like the ROTW. Kucinich is as far "Left" as it gets, and he'd be a centrist in most of the world.

Just because you and your fellow travelers slap a "Leftist!" label on someone or something doesn't mean you have the vaguest idea what you're talking about, other than mindlessly repeating a smear.

Faux news is popular? So were Hitler and Mussolini... because they preyed on the same ignorance and fears as Faux.
 

piasabird

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I guess if I was a communist then I might consider FOX news to be destructive. This is how Leftists think about freedom of speech.
 

spidey07

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I guess if I was a communist then I might consider FOX news to be destructive. This is how Leftists think about freedom of speech.

Yep. Freedom if speech, as long as you agree. It's the first step if all dictators thoughout history.
 

Zebo

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Yeh, like I said, for Righties, "Left and left leaning" is anybody who's not Faux.

There is no credible "Left" in this country, certainly nothing like the ROTW. Kucinich is as far "Left" as it gets, and he'd be a centrist in most of the world.

Just because you and your fellow travelers slap a "Leftist!" label on someone or something doesn't mean you have the vaguest idea what you're talking about, other than mindlessly repeating a smear.

Faux news is popular? So were Hitler and Mussolini... because they preyed on the same ignorance and fears as Faux.

Somewaht true. or half right:)

All MAJOR news outlets are right-wing economically. You never hear stories about homeless, about tax structure, and so forth. After all they are rich and so are their advertisers. That's a no go area.

Socially they are left except FOX. As in acceptance of alt lifestyles, hate guns and so forth.
 

Zebo

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He was specifically asked about Fox News by the interviewer. What do you want him to do, lie?

As to not "supporting him 100%," that is rather an intentional understatement, and it's also a false implication that the rest of the media does support him 100%.

- wolf

Same thing General should have told Afghans instead of trying to shut up USA like a good little dhimmi.

"in America we have free speech, freest in the world, and we don't kill or even sanction you over saying things, aint it grand?"
 
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woolfe9999

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If the interviewer asked him what he thought about Bush, would it be OK for him to say "that guy was a dumb-ass, he screwed everything up" - even if it's true? No, he would say "I don't think the previous administration took all the steps needed to get us on the right track" or something like that. How hard would it have been to say "I don't agree with a lot of the perspectives presented on Fox", instead of essentially accusing them of being something destroying the nation? It's unbecoming for a president, whether it's true or not. Know what is appropriate to say is part of being a statesman, this is an example of his lack of experience in such a role.

I'd say that's not a false implication at all. The vast majority of large media outlets DO support him 100%.

Uhm no, not one media outlet "supports him 100%." You must not be looking at anything other than Foxnews. MSN has loads of articles about all the political trouble he and the dems are in. Hell, even the far left commentators on MSN have been lambasting Obama about healthcare and other issues for ages, and MSN is the most left wing of the bunch.

I think it does matter that he was asked about Fox. He did not volunteer this or single them out. And he did not say they were "destroying America." That was incorrectly stated earlier in this thread. Read the interview. What he said was that they are pitching a conservative agenda, and that the conservative agenda is destructive to America right now, and he proceeded to explain why. Not Fox in particular, conservatism in general. And I hardly think that is a surprise with the war of words between left and right these days. It isn't like the right has exactly been restrained in their comments about Obama and the dems. Rightwing politicians can compare Obama to Hitler and you think it's a problem for him to be saying that conservatism is destructive?

- wolf
 

charrison

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So, uhh, anybody who's not Faux is left leaning?

I'm sure they want you to think that way...

I guess the other media wants you think that fox is biased and they are not. The rating speak for themselves, the public is not buying what the other stations are selling.
 

Jhhnn

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I guess the other media wants you think that fox is biased and they are not. The rating speak for themselves, the public is not buying what the other stations are selling.

Wait! wait! It's *Popular*, so it must be True! Must Be!

Use your brain.
 

umbrella39

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I guess the other media wants you think that fox is biased and they are not. The rating speak for themselves, the public is not buying what the other stations are selling.

Indeed again. Until another right wing agenda parroting cable channel comes out, Fox will be the clear leader in pandering to the type of person who wants/needs this kind of daily affirmation. There is good money to be made and I'm not sure why someone else doesn't take them on.

Cable news channels that have no agenda or if it pleases the gallery, a LEFT leaning agenda, will always be on the losing end of the ratings. There just isn't an audience. Ask Air America. Liberals (at least like to think they) come to their own conclusions. Listening to someone on the TV or radio parrot what they already believe has no appeal.
 

trenchfoot

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Fox News had the highest ratings among the News Networks when the repubs had their butts handed to them on '08.

Just goes to show what percentage of the voting public actually believes the lies, misinformation and other sundry right wing propaganda that Fox spews out 24/7/365.
 

charrison

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Indeed again. Until another right wing agenda parroting cable channel comes out, Fox will be the clear leader in pandering to the type of person who wants/needs this kind of daily affirmation. There is good money to be made and I'm not sure why someone else doesn't take them on.

Cable news channels that have no agenda or if it pleases the gallery, a LEFT leaning agenda, will always be on the losing end of the ratings. There just isn't an audience. Ask Air America. Liberals (at least like to think they) come to their own conclusions. Listening to someone on the TV or radio parrot what they already believe has no appeal.

OF course libs think for themselves and conservatives do not. Gotcha.
 

Moonbeam

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Conservatives are vicious because they are sick and frightened. They need help with introspection.
 

her209

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So, uhh, anybody who's not Faux is left leaning?

I'm sure they want you to think that way...
"Yep. Freedom if speech, as long as you agree. It's the first step if all dictators thoughout history."

:D
 

Double Trouble

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Uhm no, not one media outlet "supports him 100%." You must not be looking at anything other than Foxnews
I rarely watch fox for anything, I don't like the propaganda.

MSN has loads of articles about all the political trouble he and the dems are in.
Pointing out the trouble the dems are facing says nothing about them supporting him. A Detroit Lions fan pointing out that the team is in trouble and going to lose doesn't mean he doesn't support the team. The reality is that for the most part (again, fox excepted), the media supports Obama and his policies, and they certainly prefer him over any republican candidate by a wide margin.

Hell, even the far left commentators on MSN have been lambasting Obama about healthcare and other issues for ages, and MSN is the most left wing of the bunch.
That's baloney. Sure, they complain, because they want him to be even *further* to the left than what he is now, but do you really think for a second that in an election they don't support him over whoever the republican candidate is? Get real. That's like fox attacking McCain over certain issues where they consider him too liberal. Sure they attacked him, but at the end of the day would you say they supported McCain or Obama?

I think it does matter that he was asked about Fox. He did not volunteer this or single them out. And he did not say they were "destroying America." That was incorrectly stated earlier in this thread. Read the interview. What he said was that they are pitching a conservative agenda, and that the conservative agenda is destructive to America right now, and he proceeded to explain why. Not Fox in particular, conservatism in general.
He said nothing about pitching a conservative agenda. He said fox was promoting it's viewpoints, and that those viewpoints were destructive to America:

Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It's a point of view that I disagree with. It's a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive
It isn't like the right has exactly been restrained in their comments about Obama and the dems.

It isn't like 'the left' has been restrained about anything, and I don't expect them to be. The 'right' and 'left' can say whatever they want. They are not the president, he is. Part of that job is knowing what is appropriate to say.

Rightwing politicians can compare Obama to Hitler and you think it's a problem for him to be saying that conservatism is destructive?
They (whoever you're referring to) are not the POTUS, he is. Also, as I pointed out, he didn't say that conservatism is destructive (which would have been equally stupid since the country is generally fairly conservative), he said fox - like Hearst newspapers in the past - promoted their viewpoints, viewpoints he considers destructive to America.

His comments fall under "bush league", I would have expected better.
 

Modelworks

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No matter what it is the public watch tv for entertainment. Even news they watch more for entertainment first and information second. Why do you think news programs have things like cooking segments ? Fox gets watched because it is entertaining. Ever compare CNN, FOX, MSNBC on how the news is presented ? Not the content, but just how it is presented. CNN is about like a teacher speaking to a class. FOX is like a kid on speed. MSNBC is like someone half asleep. People want to be entertained , it has nothing to do with facts.
 

Vette73

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The major media outlets (TV and newspaper), with the exception of fox and some specific papers, range from left leaning to far left. That's exactly what makes fox get such huge ratings. If you don't want news with a left-leaning slant, you either find your news from other sources like BBC, or you are forced to get your news from the fox blowhards. The ratings speak for themselves.


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