Prepare for the storm: 5G wireless . . .

[Bateluer]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/08/technology/5G-wireless/index.htm?source=cnn_bin

By 2020, industry analysts say the amount of cellular traffic created by smartphones and tablets will be dwarfed by the data generated from the world of connected "things." Shoes, watches, appliances, cars, thermostats and door locks will all be on the network.

Each generation of network technology has enabled a new set of features: 2G was about voice, 3G was about data and 4G is about video. 5G, Sizer predicts, will be about intelligent networks that can handle billions of connected devices while remaining stable and operational.

Definitely something that will need to happen. Wonder if we'll exhaust available IPv6 addresses with all these connected gadgets?

Sprint (S, Fortune 500) and AT&T spokesmen said they had nothing to share about intelligent network technology or anything branded as 5G.

Poor Sprint. Overwhelmed and spotty 3G, dead end WiMax, and a flopped deal with Lightsquared.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

yay for more fragmentation in wireless connectivity? will the FCC finally start some sort of regulation for bands and to start linking up with the rest of the world?

 

[SAWYER]

What is the point? With low caps big whoop.

 

[dagamer34]

What are you talking about, 5G is already here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5293/broadcom-announces-family-of-80211ac-chipsets-5g-wifi-brand

 

[Ravynmagi]

What are you talking about, 5G is already here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5293/broadcom-announces-family-of-80211ac-chipsets-5g-wifi-brand

5G wifi and 5G wireless are different things.

 

[smartpatrol]

LOL ipv6 has 3.4x10^38 addresses. Enough for every person on earth to have an IP address for every cell in their body. I don't think we'll run out anytime soon.

You heard it here first: 340000000000000000000000000000000000000 IP addresses ought to be enough for anybody.

 

[dagamer34]

5G wifi and 5G wireless are different things.

Do you think your average customer will be able to tell the difference? I don't have much faith in that.

 

[Arsinek]

yay for more fragmentation in wireless connectivity? will the FCC finally start some sort of regulation for bands and to start linking up with the rest of the world?

Careful with talk like that or Glenn Beck will accuse Obama of wanting to take over wireless airwaves in some sort of gubment plot.

 

[Specop 007]

What is the point? With low caps big whoop.

Wifi offload FTW

 

[SAWYER]

Still though, high speeds and low caps..not worth getting excited

 

[destrekor]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/08/technology/5G-wireless/index.htm?source=cnn_bin





Definitely something that will need to happen. Wonder if we'll exhaust available IPv6 addresses with all these connected gadgets?



Poor Sprint. Overwhelmed and spotty 3G, dead end WiMax, and a flopped deal with Lightsquared.

I'm pretty sure our planet, with current energy availability/technology [and even assuming we can fulfill out wildest imaginations] will not, in the next century, ever approach ~300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 connectable devices. (over three hundred undecillion, 2^128 is ~ 3.40 * 10^38).

Oh, and I imagine, even with 5G cellular (let's ignore "5G WiFi"), even if/when we decide to connect anything and everything to the internet (automation is pretty fucking awesome, so I'd welcome this ), that such devices will be behind a single IP instead of having a unique address (do you want to connect to your thermostat directly, or connect to a single IP that you can use to control all devices wired into such a home network). Even assuming each has their own IP, unless we completely shed the concept of "Home" broadband, anything in the home will likely be on a wired connection (to the home, at least). But, I guess we could do away with the concept of mobile and home broadband and simply have a single umbrella service type that anything can connect to... but that would be weird.

 

[lothar]

I stormed into this thread thinking this was going to be RIMM's secret BlackBerry QNX device.

 

[swanysto]

I think they need to get better coverage with the current 4g/lte/etc before we think about 5g. I love having 4g capabilities, but if I go too far into the burbs, it is spotty at best. And that is not just Sprint, Verizon gets spotty as well.

 

[MrGlobe]

I can't wait till the technology in that Craftsman commercial with the garage door app for your phone is house-wide. I want to be able to lock/unlock doors, change the temp, view webcams, start/stop the dryer, etc from my phone. I know they've got web connected thermostats and webcams, but I mean monetarily accessible to the average Joe.

 

[gorcorps]

yay for more fragmentation in wireless connectivity? will the FCC finally start some sort of regulation for bands and to start linking up with the rest of the world?

The FCC has plenty of regulations. In fact my company is having to spend millions on new digital radio systems because our current system uses bands that we get fined for using starting 2013. The FCC has it's hands in plenty thank you... we don't need more.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

Seems a bit pre-mature to go off talking about 5G already. We still haven't made it to 4G yet. How about 1Gbps fixed and 100Mbps mobile speeds? Now we're talking 4G.

Current HSPA+/Lte/WiMAX != 4G

Truth: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/40.aspx

Last I checked, VZW is currently rolling out Lte Release 8 and would not be updating to Rel 10 until their nation-wide Lte rollout was complete (ETA sometime in 2013 after the world has ended?..) . While fast, Lte R.8 is NOT 4G and WiMAX is pretty much on life support at this stage since their only big dog in the fight was Clearwire who has also decided to get on the Lte train.

Real 4G will begin approaching the theoretical limits of spectral efficiency. That means the only way to increase symbol/chip rate is to go with wider channels and increased occupied bandwidth.. Contiguous spectrum is already enough of a problem that carriers are having trouble finding places to run entry level 5 + 5MHz Lte.

Clearwire seems to be in a good position with the largest contiguous spectrum holdings nationwide in the 2.5GHz band, but 2.5 has poor propagation and penetration characteristics when compared to lower frequencies such as 700MHz. VZ scored a goldmine with that purchase but it's still barely enough for them to go 10 + 10MHz and I'm not entire sure they can even do that and stay within the confines of block 13.. IIRC, they'll likely have to encroach on block 14 reserved for first responders and local gov't use and cut some drug deals with the FCC just to realize the full potential of Lte and 4G.

Needless to say it will be interesting to see what actually does emerge to claim the designation of 5G and have it be something that's viable for commercial use given the current spectrum crunch...

-JR

 

[mammador]

LOL ipv6 has 3.4x10^38 addresses. Enough for every person on earth to have an IP address for every cell in their body. I don't think we'll run out anytime soon.

You heard it here first: 340000000000000000000000000000000000000 IP addresses ought to be enough for anybody.

Didnt' Bill Gates say years ago "56K is enough for anybody"? lol...

I think IP version 6 addresses will run out in about 50 years or so. There should be enough addresses to accommodate many hundreds of millions of computers, including smartphones, tablets, etc. What the Internet regulatory bodies need to do is assign private addressing in IPv6, yes there is less need to converse addressing space, but if only one household/organisation requires just one public IP address, then all the better.

As for 5G telephony, isn't this a 10 year cycle? I think this thread is 9 nine years too early, I guess the iPhone 14 may be 5G, or whatever Google calls its OS in 2021 (since they like desserts, maybe Cheesecake or something).

 

[smartpatrol]

Didnt' Bill Gates say years ago "56K is enough for anybody"? lol...

Haha I think it was "640K [of RAM] ought to be enough for anybody." IIRC he was actually just talking about "for MS-DOS", but people love to quote that line.

I think IP version 6 addresses will run out in about 50 years or so. There should be enough addresses to accommodate many hundreds of millions of computers, including smartphones, tablets, etc. What the Internet regulatory bodies need to do is assign private addressing in IPv6, yes there is less need to converse addressing space, but if only one household/organisation requires just one public IP address, then all the better.

I think you are having a hard time comprehending just how inconceivably huge 3.4x10^38 is. If the # of IP addresses in use doubles every year for the next 50 years, we'll still be using less than 1 billionth of the available ipv6 addresses.

 

[notposting]

What is the point? With low caps big whoop.

Think of the overages the carriers can rake in with all those devices going over their 2K/month caps and then getting billed at $20/KB afterwards! They can probably start going in reverse G's after 12G, it will all be EDGE or 1X hells yeah!! Shareholder nirvana hallelujah!

<--slightly cynical :whiste:

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

LOL ipv6 has 3.4x10^38 addresses. Enough for every person on earth to have an IP address for every cell in their body. I don't think we'll run out anytime soon.

You heard it here first: 340000000000000000000000000000000000000 IP addresses ought to be enough for anybody.

Unless I messed up my numbers somewhere there's enough IPs to give every atom in every human an IP 6 times over.