Preorder your AMD XP 2200 Thoroughbred

[New2Computers]

Order here

AMD ATHL XP 2200+ RETAIL
$214.90USD

I personally am going to wait until I see what other speeds are going to be released soon...

 

[CKDragon]

Can't wait to see the overclocking results on this...

CK

 

[nealh]

I would rather wait and see....besides the prices tend to drop fast...

 

[foot]

Can't wait to see the overclocking results on this...

. . . this xp uses the same batch as the rest of em. The yield will be the relatively same. They will overclock only marginally better than the 2100, which didnt impress many people. As long as the average yield is fairly similar across each batch of processors produced, its the LOWER chips that will overclock more, as they have the greatest amount of headroom as far as Mhz is concerned (hence that sweet ass 300 Celery deal a few years ago).

my 2c

 

[Mage]

It says Athlon XP, not Thoroughbred... are they being called the same thing? (Athlon XP?) Since the AthlonXP is 0.18 micron and the Thoroughbred is 0.13 microns... it'd only make sense for someone going for the best to get a Thoroughbred..

 

[Davemeister]

what's the real difference between the xp and t-bred? is it a new architecture, or mainly just the changeover from .18 to .13 micron fabrication? will they stay cooler or are they making it perform better with more voltage and heat?

 

[Foghorn]

will they work in our old tbird mb's?

 

[LED]

Yes they will work with the current Socket A MoBo...just need a BIOS Update and the run coller .10v's which will prolly mean higher FSB OCing...other then that the smaller Fab I believe they are the same (maybe harder to unlock)

 

[WebDude]

The new Thoroughbred's are still being called Athlon XP's. Only the informed will know that a 2100+ XP is a Palamino, and a 2200+ XP is a Thoroughbred. The "horsey" names are AMD's labeling for their own purposes. For the consumer, they are all "AMD Athlon XP". But the 2200+, based on the .13 micron core, should run cooler (lower core vlotage) and overclock better than the 2100+, based on the .18 micron core. Otherwise, architecturally, they are supposed to be identical.

WebDude

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: foot

Can't wait to see the overclocking results on this...

. . . this xp uses the same batch as the rest of em. The yield will be the relatively same. They will overclock only marginally better than the 2100, which didnt impress many people. As long as the average yield is fairly similar across each batch of processors produced, its the LOWER chips that will overclock more, as they have the greatest amount of headroom as far as Mhz is concerned (hence that sweet ass 300 Celery deal a few years ago).

my 2c

It's widely believed that the .13 architecture will allow the chips to run cooler and the overclocking ability will be higher with the new T-breds. I think you're under the assumption that these are the same old Palomino chips.

CK

 

[DestruyaUR]

Watch yourself on this. AMD *IS* making a Palomino-based 2200+. You could get burned on this. And as usual, if you call up the place, chances are you'll get some clerk who a) doesn't know WTF you're talking about, or b) tells you it'll be a Thoroughbred just to make a sale and/or to shut you up.

Caveat emptor.

 

[MontyBurns]

AMD is not making a Palomino 2200+. There will be one 2200+ and one 2400+, and both will be Tbred. Those will be the end of the road for the XP.

 

[DestruyaUR]

Seen on overclockers.com, posted May 26th:

XP2200 Sighted On Pricewatch Three places say they have (or will have within a number of days) XP2200s. None of them say it's a Thoroughbred, or made with 0.13 micron technology. Until somebody does, leave it alone. There were at least some Palomino 2200s made; these might be them."

I know Ed has some personal ties with AMD, and unless you can give me a credible source saying all 2200s are Thoroughbreds, I'm sticking by my warning.

 

[New2Computers]

The webpage clearly states it is a thoroughbred, I'm not too sure about the palomino xp 2200 production though so I wont comment.

The price isn't that bad for the preorder but preorders have a habit of costing much less once they are actually out for sale then while they are in the preorder stage.

For this alone I would hang tight a week or so.

 

[Furor]

I think AMD is having a hard time making 1.8ghz chips based on .18 that run stable @ 1.75ish vcore..so I bet these are probably palomino

Edit: I never looked at the link, I just guessed these were "in stock" and shipping..not a pre-order.

 

[dannybin1742]

so true, I'm guessing these are palominos, there was an article a few days back that said amd was trying to get 2000+ out of their palomino core, if the core does not look physically smaller than your xp #### palomino then they are not thoroughbred, the die will be physically smaller by sight thatn the xp palomino core, also if they don't overclock much at all, then you will know.

Just wait for a few core revisions then the sweet ocing one should roll on in.

 

[mechBgon]

You will be able to discern the Thoroughbreds by the metal heatspreader over the core, for starters. edit: whoops, I must have Hammers on my mind! See the following post. My understanding is that there will indeed be one final Palomino, and it will be the 2200+. Furthermore, there will be slight core alterations for the Thoroughbred core, according to AMD.

edit: Now aren't we all glad AMD's new retail packaging is see-through, so we can tell what core we're looking at?

Here's the text from McGlen.com's front-page ad I mentioned yesterday:

"AMD ATHLON XP PROCESSOR 2200+ WITH QUANTISPEED ARCHITECTURE OEM (ONLINE ORDER ONLY,PRE-ORDER)*Special promotional price - Must order before 5/30 midnight*
AMD Athlon XP Desktop 2200+ Processor for Desktop. Pin Grid Array(PGA) for mounting in a socketed infrastructure. Based on the 0.18 micron aluminum process technology. 266MHz Advanced Front Side System Bus for superior performance on data-rich applications and 3DNow!
"

 

[DestruyaUR]

You will be able to discern the Thoroughbreds by the metal heatspreader over the core, for starters.

The heatspreaders are going to be on the Athlon XP+'es (AKA ClawHammers).

SledgeHammer left, ClawHammer right

Thoroughbred, top and bottom - no heatspreader

As for overclocking, some people have been reporting ~2Ghz with a Vapochill:

2050Ghz (w/Vapochill)

The reviewer does state that it might be a better idea to wait for later steppings:

The new Thoroughbreds create less heat, by way of reduced core voltage, than its Palomino counterpart. For that reason alone it should interest overclockers. I have tested quite a few Athlons and I have had higher overclocks from some, however, the three Thoroughbreds I tested all performed on par with each other. The difference between best and worst stable overclock was 20MHz. I think this speaks volumes for the yields, and I think as the 0.13 process matures and new steppings appear, we will see much greater things from these cores in the overclocking department. Stay tuned..

Also keep in mind AMD is going to release Thoroughbred-based MP processors (mind you, for about a 60 dollar premium) that will come completely unlocked and run at a native FSB of 166Mhz - probably nice for anyone with a KT333 or good KT266A board...if you're willing to pay the extra cash to not have to unlock the thing yourself.

 

[formulav8]

They are already wrong in their explanation. They are saying the process is Aluminum. When AMD has been using copper for a long time now. So, I wouldn't really trust their explanation. Unless AMD switched to Aluminum, which is highly doubtful.



Jason

Originally posted by: mechBgon
You will be able to discern the Thoroughbreds by the metal heatspreader over the core, for starters. My understanding is that there will indeed be one final Palomino, and it will be the 2200+. Furthermore, there will be slight core alterations for the Thoroughbred core, according to AMD.

edit: Now aren't we all glad AMD's new retail packaging is see-through, so we can tell what core we're looking at?

Here's the text from McGlen.com's front-page ad I mentioned yesterday:

"AMD ATHLON XP PROCESSOR 2200+ WITH QUANTISPEED ARCHITECTURE OEM (ONLINE ORDER ONLY,PRE-ORDER)*Special promotional price - Must order before 5/30 midnight*
AMD Athlon XP Desktop 2200+ Processor for Desktop. Pin Grid Array(PGA) for mounting in a socketed infrastructure. Based on the 0.18 micron aluminum process technology. 266MHz Advanced Front Side System Bus for superior performance on data-rich applications and 3DNow!
"

 

[DestruyaUR]

The Inquirer said a few weeks back that Thoroughbreds should hit the markets around June 10th, with them hitting retail channels around two weeks thereafter.

System Manufacturers in June, Us in July

 

[Chadder007]

This is a Palamino...not the Thoroughbred. Its .18 micron.

 

[Mage]

ooh, the hammer has a heat spreader like the p4 northwood? *Drool*

 

[DestruyaUR]

Don't drool too much, mage, that headspreader is going to make simple unlocking impossible - unless you study the pinouts on the bottom and somehow manage to paint traces between pins like some have (not for the faint of heart) - plus the fact that the chip is taller, so most likely you'll need a new heatsink in addition to a new motherboard since the Claws are gonna use Socket-754 instead of 462...whereas the SledgeHammers are going to use Socket-940.

SledgeHammer (Opteron) left, ClawHammer (Athlon XP+) right

AMD, with its T-Bred crop of MPs is going to start unlocking the multipliers by default (not just not connecting the L1s), so those waiting for ClawHammers might wanna wait for ClawHammer DP, which is probably going to be known as Metaron or Athlon MP+ ...methinks AMD needs to hire some smarter naming people.

 

[WebDude]

I still don't think there will be any 2200+ Palomino's. But I'm not sure. This is what Anand said back in March:

AMD's Athlon XP 2100+ The Last of the Palominos
Today being the first day of CeBIT, AMD is announcing the latest model of their Athlon XP line - the 2100+. Just like the launch of the 1900+ and the 2000+, the 2100+ brings nothing more to the table outside of another 67MHz. It does mark the end of the line for the Palomino core however, as the Thoroughbred based Athlon XP 2200+ will replace it using AMD's new 0.13-micron manufacturing process.

Well, sure, things could have changed since then. But I haven't seen any official or semi-official anouncement. I scoured the AMD site, but (no surprise) found no answers there. I emailed AMD tech support with a direct question about the core of the 2200+. We'll see what, if any, answers I get back.

WebDude

 

[ChrisOjeda]

I'd wait till they sell the XP with 333Mhz FSB...then you get more bang for your buck with that 333Mhz DDR and I can only imagine that AMDs clocked 500 Mhz less than and Intel being equal.....Should put Chipzilla to shame!