prenuptial agreement

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gotsmack

I would NOT get married without a prenup. I saw my uncle get taken to the cleaners by his ex wife, he's a CPA and does well for him self, she is a PhD. at J&J makes like $100k a year and still cleaned out my uncle.

What will be the terms of your prenup?

no alamony, no sunset clause.

All of my pre-marriage holding would be solely mine.
She would have NO claim to any profit generated by my pre marriage money during our marrriage.
All of my wife's debt would remain with her.
Detailed family holdings that I may inherit would be mine.
No alimony payments.
Fixed child support payments.
We file our taxes seperately.
She would have no claim to my retirement accounts such as my roth IRA and 401K, even the moneys accrued during our marriage.


Other then that she can have half of whatever we make during our marriage. But I'll be sure to get married in a state where both parties do not need to agree to get divorced. I want both of us to have an easy out.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
LOL, last night i had a convo about this with a few friends, one of whom is going to be an estate planner. My GF refuses to sign a prenup but i'm not going to let that stop us from getting married. Solution: create an off shore corporotation in which a close friend of your ows and give all the large assets to the corp: house, car, jewlery

what if your friend gets divorced?

I'd rather give control to one of my siblings.

I would NOT get married without a prenup. I saw my uncle get taken to the cleaners by his ex wife, he's a CPA and does well for him self, she is a PhD. at J&J makes like $100k a year and still cleaned out my uncle.


but you guys are amateurs. when you think you're not going to make it, convert all of your stocks to bearer bonds and stash them at the rent's house or a sibling's safety deposit box.

what about the house????

F the house. she can have 1/2 if she wants. besides when I buy a house its going to be locked into a 30 year anyway. so there won't be much to lose and if she sticks around she deserves 1/2 of whatever we make during that time. I am also not going to put any of my pre marriage money into the house.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
no alamony, no sunset clause.

All of my pre-marriage holding would be solely mine.
All of my wife's debt would remain with her.
Detailed family holdings that I may inherit would be mine.
No alimony payments.
Fixed child support payments.
We file our taxes seperately.
She would have no claim to my retirement accounts such as my roth IRA and 401K, even the moneys accrued during our marriage.


Other then that she can have half of whatever we make during our marrriage. But I'll be sure to get married in a state where bonth parties do not need to agree ot get divorced. I want both of us to have an easy out.

How sweet.

She should be sure to put a clause in there that requires you to quit your job and raise your children while she is able to continue her career.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
LOL, last night i had a convo about this with a few friends, one of whom is going to be an estate planner. My GF refuses to sign a prenup but i'm not going to let that stop us from getting married. Solution: create an off shore corporotation in which a close friend of your ows and give all the large assets to the corp: house, car, jewlery

what if your friend gets divorced?

I'd rather give control to one of my siblings.

I would NOT get married without a prenup. I saw my uncle get taken to the cleaners by his ex wife, he's a CPA and does well for him self, she is a PhD. at J&J makes like $100k a year and still cleaned out my uncle.


but you guys are amateurs. when you think you're not going to make it, convert all of your stocks to bearer bonds and stash them at the rent's house or a sibling's safety deposit box.

what about the house????

F the house. she can have 1/2 if she wants. besides when I buy a house its going to be locked into a 30 year anyway. so there won't be much to lose and if she sticks around she deserves 1/2 of whatever we make during that time. I am also not going to put any of my pre marriage money into the house.

Why would you ever want to get married?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
LOL, last night i had a convo about this with a few friends, one of whom is going to be an estate planner. My GF refuses to sign a prenup but i'm not going to let that stop us from getting married. Solution: create an off shore corporotation in which a close friend of your ows and give all the large assets to the corp: house, car, jewlery

what if your friend gets divorced?

I'd rather give control to one of my siblings.

I would NOT get married without a prenup. I saw my uncle get taken to the cleaners by his ex wife, he's a CPA and does well for him self, she is a PhD. at J&J makes like $100k a year and still cleaned out my uncle.


but you guys are amateurs. when you think you're not going to make it, convert all of your stocks to bearer bonds and stash them at the rent's house or a sibling's safety deposit box.

what about the house????

F the house. she can have 1/2 if she wants. besides when I buy a house its going to be locked into a 30 year anyway. so there won't be much to lose and if she sticks around she deserves 1/2 of whatever we make during that time. I am also not going to put any of my pre marriage money into the house.

Why would you ever want to get married?

"Free" sex during the 1st 2 years. When the "free" sex stops coming, file for divorce. Hmmm... I wonder if that's the reason behind high divorce rate in this country.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Why would you ever want to get married?

Children, and someone to go to the movies with.

Originally posted by: mugs
How sweet.

She should be sure to put a clause in there that requires you to quit your job and raise your children while she is able to continue her career.

my parents can watch my children during the day. Dad is going to retire in 5 year anyway.

So she'll only miss about 6 months of work for each kid and I only want 2.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Why would you ever want to get married?

That's what I'm wondering. 😉 He's planning on going into a marriage keeping all of their finances separate. If you're planning to get divorced, why not just save the effort and not get married? It's not clear if he has someone in mind already, but if not then he doesn't seem to think too highly of his future bride if he assumes she'll be bringing debt into the marriage.

What about the cost of the wedding? Will that be split 50/50? Or if her family pays for it, does that entitle her to a "credit" for half of the cost of the wedding after the divorce is finalized?

 

[maziwanka]

i could see how it's useful, but, morally, im opposed and i would never enter into a marriage that would necessitate its use

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Why would you ever want to get married?

That's what I'm wondering. 😉 He's planning on going into a marriage keeping all of their finances separate. If you're planning to get divorced, why not just save the effort and not get married? It's not clear if he has someone in mind already, but if not then he doesn't seem to think too highly of his future bride if he assumes she'll be bringing debt into the marriage.

What about the cost of the wedding? Will that be split 50/50? Or if her family pays for it, does that entitle her to a "credit" for half of the cost of the wedding after the divorce is finalized?

That is what I was wondering about. i thought ppl got married cause they loved each other and wanted to spend the rest of their lives caring for, about and taking care of each other. i would be heart broken to find that i dedicated my life for this to someone who would not care enough about me to WANT me to be ok if something went wrong.

hardly an appealing situation... marrying and having children with someone who would want to tie my hands so tight as far as finances go.

but, to each his own.

🙂

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Why would you ever want to get married?

That's what I'm wondering. 😉 He's planning on going into a marriage keeping all of their finances separate. If you're planning to get divorced, why not just save the effort and not get married? It's not clear if he has someone in mind already, but if not then he doesn't seem to think too highly of his future bride if he assumes she'll be bringing debt into the marriage.

What about the cost of the wedding? Will that be split 50/50? Or if her family pays for it, does that entitle her to a "credit" for half of the cost of the wedding after the divorce is finalized?

I would be willing pay for 1/2 the wedding up to $15K. If she wants a better party then she pays extra. You also have to take into account the $15K I'll drop for the engagement ring. I would be willing to discuss any other pre marriage expense on terms that are fair.

I don't drive without insurance. Why would getting married be any different?

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Why would you ever want to get married?

That's what I'm wondering. 😉 He's planning on going into a marriage keeping all of their finances separate. If you're planning to get divorced, why not just save the effort and not get married? It's not clear if he has someone in mind already, but if not then he doesn't seem to think too highly of his future bride if he assumes she'll be bringing debt into the marriage.

What about the cost of the wedding? Will that be split 50/50? Or if her family pays for it, does that entitle her to a "credit" for half of the cost of the wedding after the divorce is finalized?

That is what I was wondering about. i thought ppl got married cause they loved each other and wanted to spend the rest of their lives caring for, about and taking care of each other. i would be heart broken to find that i dedicated my life for this to someone who would not care enough about me to WANT me to be ok if something went wrong.

hardly an appealing situation... marrying and having children with someone who would want to tie my hands so tight as far as finances go.

but, to each his own.

🙂

I never said my future wife couldn't work. if she decides not to work and then wants a divorce, then she would have to live off 1/2 of whatever assets we generate during out marriage.

 

[spidey07]

After seeing what a woman can do when she sets her mind on screwing the husband I feel it should be a legal requirement. Some of them plan it for years, moving assets around, making sure everything is joint accounts, monitoring his retirement plans - all so they have it all documented before they file the papers.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

I would be willing pay for 1/2 the wedding up to $15K. If she wants a better party then she pays extra. You also have to take into account the $15K I'll drop for the engagement ring. I would be willing to discuss any other pre marriage expense on terms that are fair.

I don't drive without insurance. Why would getting married be any different?

The way you talk about marriage as if it's a business transaction is really sad.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Pre nups are a great idea, particularly if you're not wealthy, because you can really get hosed financially during the divorce.

However, I don't think you can dictate child support in a pre nup, that's really more of an obligation to your children, not your spouse.

You can try to write that kind of stuff in, but it'll be unenforceable, and if you write crap like that in, I suspect it's easier to get the whole thing voided if your spouse decides to do so.

 

[MagicConch]

I think it is very unwise to enter a relationship without any asset protection. I have heard the argument that it is already betting against a marriage, but have never heard that from someone who has sizeable assets themselves on the line, of either gender (sizeable is relative of course). If someone feels they are sacficing their future earning potential and incurring potential risk as a result of marriage (followed by divorce), refusing to sign the pre-nupt is being no less self-serving than the person originally requiring it.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gotsmack

I would be willing pay for 1/2 the wedding up to $15K. If she wants a better party then she pays extra. You also have to take into account the $15K I'll drop for the engagement ring. I would be willing to discuss any other pre marriage expense on terms that are fair.

I don't drive without insurance. Why would getting married be any different?

The way you talk about marriage as if it's a business transaction is really sad.

also, I feel sorry for whomever he will be marrying.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gotsmack

I would be willing pay for 1/2 the wedding up to $15K. If she wants a better party then she pays extra. You also have to take into account the $15K I'll drop for the engagement ring. I would be willing to discuss any other pre marriage expense on terms that are fair.

I don't drive without insurance. Why would getting married be any different?

The way you talk about marriage as if it's a business transaction is really sad.

A civil union is a contract, and the truth is that sometimes people grow apart. I also have a master degree in business strategy. Just finished in May, W00t!

I have to go out, will be back at about 10:30.


and the way you talk about my future wife's need for the protection of her future, it sounds like I'm going to marry the head cashier at walmart.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

A civil union is a contract, and the truth is that sometimes people grow apart. I also have a master degree in business strategy. Just finished in May, W00t!

I have to go out, will be back at about 10:30.


and the way you talk about my future wife's need for the protection of her future, it sounds like I'm going to marry the head cashier at walmart.

And what would you do if you fell in love with the head cashier at Walmart (or even *gasp* a lowly shelf stocker at Walmart!)? 😉

 

[cmv]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gotsmack

I would be willing pay for 1/2 the wedding up to $15K. If she wants a better party then she pays extra. You also have to take into account the $15K I'll drop for the engagement ring. I would be willing to discuss any other pre marriage expense on terms that are fair.

I don't drive without insurance. Why would getting married be any different?

The way you talk about marriage as if it's a business transaction is really sad.

I see your point and a couple of years ago would probably even agree but now... The point is it IS basically a business transaction when a divorce comes into the picture. The odds of a divorce being in your future if you get a married are too high to ignore. I'm still split about it and a prenup just sounds bad but it makes complete sense.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gotsmack

A civil union is a contract, and the truth is that sometimes people grow apart. I also have a master degree in business strategy. Just finished in May, W00t!

I have to go out, will be back at about 10:30.


and the way you talk about my future wife's need for the protection of her future, it sounds like I'm going to marry the head cashier at walmart.

And what would you do if you fell in love with the head cashier at Walmart (or even *gasp* a lowly shelf stocker at Walmart!)? 😉

haha, won't happen, I've never been to walmart before. heck, one didn't even exist within 20 miles of where I live until last year.

anyway, I do not date women who do not have degrees from 4 year colleges or at least a cert from trade school.

 

[The Stigenator]

very important.. a must!

 

[The Stigenator]

in the child support clause.. put in that child support will be fixed but will be paid into an account controlled by you.. that wayyou can monitor if your kids getting the support or she getting lipo or new boobs.