Pregnant woman kicked out of bar

[Double Trouble]

Personally I think any business should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. I suspect this person is just out for a nice settlement, but I could easily see a bar losing a case in this insane litigious society over something like this.

 

[actuarial]

Can someone make a cogent argument for why this kind of discrimination is a bad thing?

Yea, no didn't think so.

It's a bad thing because there hasn't been a reasonable argument made why she shouldn't go in. The things they talked about could happen at ANY restaurant/bar. Does that mean my wife/I are no longer allowed to eat out? Why would the bar be any more liable to a preggo than to any other person who got hurt while others fought?

Hell there's more fights at the McDonald's at 2am where I live then then any of the bars. Try kicking a pregnant lady out of McDonald's when she has a late night craving

My wife and I have gone to a few bars while she's pregnant and had no problems. Usually they're just pub style places where we're meeting friends from out of town. It's awesome because I now have a permanent DD! I would cause a very large scene if a place tried to kick my wife out for being pregnant.

 

[DesiPower]

/confused "...but I thought women went to bars to *get* pregnant... /confused

html tag fail :biggrin:

 

[Scotteq]

html tag fail :biggrin:

You're supposed to be able to read the tags. Otherwise, I would have just done this:

 

[OutHouse]

Does that change the fact that I answered the question? Are you incapable of figuring out why a bar owner might respond as he or she did given the nature of the establishment?

are you incapable of personal responsibility? Pizza huts server beer should they ban pregnant women?

no you did not answer the question (if there was one) she was not kicked out for drinking a jack and coke while pregnant if that was the case i would side with the bar. She was kicked out just being pregnant and DRINKING WATER. big difference.

get a clue.

 

[OutHouse]

No, its not. Pregnancy is not a protected...thing.

it sure is. read up on EE laws, fair housing laws just to name a few.

 

[HumblePie]

i can understand the point of private (but a public establishment) business and refuse service.... BUT on the other hand it was discrimination.

if it was a restaurant that requires formal attire and you show up in bluejeans and a metallica tee-shirt they can tell you to leave. but if you are pregnant/black/disabled and show up in formal attire they cant ask you to leave because you are pregnant/black/disabled simply because you one or all of those things. the bouncer clearly stated that she had to leave because she was preggers and that is flat out discrimination.

Discrimination is not a crime to let you know unless it is against a federal protected category. Pregnancy is not a federally protected category last time I checked.

As far as what can occur to the bar in terms of liability, one would be if she were to somehow obtain alcohol even if not served, and consumed it on their premises. They could be liable for that. Meaning if she went in, asked for alcohol, was refused, but someone else at the bar ordered something which caused problems with her baby, then they could be held liable. By refusing admittance, there is no chance of that happening.

I also believe in the right of an establishment to refuse service to anyone they choose not to so long as it isn't against the federally protected categories.


*EDIT* Here's the link to federally protected classes/categories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

Pregnancy is not one of them. Familial status is one, but that one has a limited scope. That one deals specifically with housing laws only.

Also, they are not refusing entry to people with kids, or without kids, they are refusing based on a temporary condition to a single individual. No different than a work environment preventing an employee from working while contagiously ill.

 

[PingSpike]

Not sure how this discrimination argument is coming up here. Don't most upscale establishments openly discriminate against dudes to keep the sausage to taco ratio in unnatural territory? I've never heard anyone doing anything about that legally.

 

[HumblePie]

Not sure how this discrimination argument is coming up here. Don't most upscale establishments openly discriminate against dudes to keep the sausage to taco ratio in unnatural territory? I've never heard anyone doing anything about that legally.

Yep.

 

[blackangst1]

it sure is. read up on EE laws, fair housing laws just to name a few.

Its addressed in title VII, but that specifically relates to employment.

 

[OutHouse]

Its addressed in title VII, but that specifically relates to employment.

correct. all i was trying to say is that there are federal/state laws that give pregnant women certain protections under the law. To me that says they are a protected class, granted not as many protections as humble pointed out but they do have them.

 

[OutHouse]

Not sure how this discrimination argument is coming up here. Don't most upscale establishments openly discriminate against dudes to keep the sausage to taco ratio in unnatural territory? I've never heard anyone doing anything about that legally.

that topic has been a flame thread on here a few times over the years.

 

[blackangst1]

correct. all i was trying to say is that there are federal/state laws that give pregnant women certain protections under the law. To me that says they are a protected class, granted not as many protections as humble pointed out but they do have them.

Yes, there are; however, in this case, as pointed out by several people, this is not discrimination, because, in this case, pregnancy isnt protected. Its no different than a private club only allowing men, or women, or hispanics, or whatever.

 

[Perknose]

What it be discrimination if they refused to sell her alcohol?

Wow, interesting point. :hmm:

I don't think so.

Lol, wut? You disagree with me stating that your question makes an interesting point?

I think the answer is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Yes, interesting point!

 

[Dr. Zaus]

are you incapable of personal responsibility? Pizza huts server beer should they ban pregnant women?

I don't understand why they don't want pregnant women there.

I answered.

read the post before shoot off at the mouth;

The primary purpose of a bar is to get drunk, the primary purpose of a pizza hut is to eat pizza.


The above poster that went to a pub is in a different boat; he's going somewhere to eat. Few patrons are going to be upset by the presence of a pregnant woman trying to eat; many are going to be upset about a pregnant woman in at a bar.

It's makes sense not to serve her if it's upsetting the other patrons; it is upsetting the other patrons because if what she's drinking is vodka on the rocks instead of water then she's endangering the fetus.

Follow the argument slow-poke.

 

[Brainonska511]

I answered.

read the post before shoot off at the mouth;

The primary purpose of a bar is to get drunk, the primary purpose of a pizza hut is to eat pizza.


The above poster that went to a pub is in a different boat; he's going somewhere to eat. Few patrons are going to be upset by the presence of a pregnant woman trying to eat; many are going to be upset about a pregnant woman in at a bar.

It's makes sense not to serve her if it's upsetting the other patrons; it is upsetting the other patrons because if what she's drinking is vodka on the rocks instead of water then she's endangering the fetus.

Follow the argument slow-poke.

Bars serve more than one type of beverage. There are also these things called soft-drinks, which amazingly, have no alcohol! Who would have thought? She could have easily been the designated driver or just a non-drinker in general. Do we also kick people who don't drink booze out of bars?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

There are also these things called soft-drinks, which amazingly, have no alcohol!

because the primary intent of someone at a bar is to drink an insanely over priced soda...

Which is why the pregnant woman drinking at the bar is not going to upset patrons and thus give the owner no reason at all to want her out.

Do we also kick people who don't drink booze out of bars?

I was simply explaining by what rational someone might reasonably not want a pregnant woman in his or her bar.