Pregnant Pakistani woman publicly stoned to death by family

[Victorian Gray]

One minor distinction is that these Islamic honor killings are occurring in the 21st century.

Either you didn't read the link or you simply don't understand the words. So, either read the link or take some remedial reading lessons.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Actually I hear more out of every other religion condemning violence done in the name of religion that I ever hear out of practicing Muslims.

Maybe try cleaning your ears out? If that doesn't work maybe consider seeing an ear, nose & throat specialist?

 

[boomerang]

You're whole "I see Obama is blah blah blah, etc " in everything you post in gets a bit old.

He's play-acting that he's a conservative. Yes, it's juvenile but you have to know his background to understand it. Big, big, hint: He's a bronie.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2146475&highlight=ponies

 

[Oldgamer]

why is islam and muslims so fucking violent? its like they are not happy unless they are killing each other over the post petty shit or some slight that happened 400 fucking years ago.

That's like asking why Amazon cannibals deep in the Amazon forest are so violent? LOL

 

[feralkid]

To quote liberals:

"You are free to marry whoever you wish, but you are not free from the consequences."

Sorry Nehalem, you can't marry your toaster, liberals notwithstanding.

 

[irishScott]

'Honour killings' happen all over the world and are committed by people of all religions and have a history that goes back as far as human history in general.

For example:

"As noted by Christian Arab writer, Norma Khouri, honor killings originate from the belief that a woman’s chastity is the property of her families, a cultural norm that comes "from our ancient tribal days, from the Hammurabi and Assyrian tribes of 1200 B.C."[48]

Matthew A. Goldstein, J.D. (Arizona), has also noted that honor killings were encouraged in ancient Rome, where male family members who did not take actions against the female adulterers in their family were "actively persecuted".[49]

The origin of honor killings and the control of women is evidenced throughout history in the culture and tradition of many regions. The Roman law of pater familias gave complete control to the men of the family for both their children and wives. Under these laws, the lives of children and wives were at the sole discretion of the men in their family. Ancient Roman Law also established historical roots of honor killings through the law stating that women found guilty of adultery could be killed by their husband in whatever manner the husband desired. In ancient Rome, being raped was seen as dishonorable to the point of destroying a woman's life and reputation, and honor killing was supposed to be a "merciful" act.[citation needed]In Greece also, the lives of women were dictated by their husbands as females were considered socially below males.[50]

Among the Amerindian Aztecs and Incas, adultery was punishable by death.[49]

Qays bin Asim, ancient leader of Banu Tamim is credited by some historians as the first to kill children on the basis of honor. It is recorded that he murdered all of his daughters to prevent them from ever causing him any kind of dishonor.[50]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#In_history

To simply write the concept off as 'Islam' is, at best, ignorance.

Actually, that just proves the point more. It appears most other cultures have moved beyond such primitive value systems. Islam is the last major philosophy/religion who's leaders are actively keeping it around.

 

[werepossum]

'Honour killings' happen all over the world and are committed by people of all religions and have a history that goes back as far as human history in general.

For example:

"As noted by Christian Arab writer, Norma Khouri, honor killings originate from the belief that a woman’s chastity is the property of her families, a cultural norm that comes "from our ancient tribal days, from the Hammurabi and Assyrian tribes of 1200 B.C."[48]

Matthew A. Goldstein, J.D. (Arizona), has also noted that honor killings were encouraged in ancient Rome, where male family members who did not take actions against the female adulterers in their family were "actively persecuted".[49]

The origin of honor killings and the control of women is evidenced throughout history in the culture and tradition of many regions. The Roman law of pater familias gave complete control to the men of the family for both their children and wives. Under these laws, the lives of children and wives were at the sole discretion of the men in their family. Ancient Roman Law also established historical roots of honor killings through the law stating that women found guilty of adultery could be killed by their husband in whatever manner the husband desired. In ancient Rome, being raped was seen as dishonorable to the point of destroying a woman's life and reputation, and honor killing was supposed to be a "merciful" act.[citation needed]In Greece also, the lives of women were dictated by their husbands as females were considered socially below males.[50]

Among the Amerindian Aztecs and Incas, adultery was punishable by death.[49]

Qays bin Asim, ancient leader of Banu Tamim is credited by some historians as the first to kill children on the basis of honor. It is recorded that he murdered all of his daughters to prevent them from ever causing him any kind of dishonor.[50]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#In_history

To simply write the concept off as 'Islam' is, at best, ignorance.

You're missing the point. Within Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. cultures which had these practices move away from them. Within Islam, cultures which had these practices keep them and cultures which did not have these practices move toward them.

Oh please. Islam sucks, no one's defending it. It's a fucking disgusting religion, just like Christianity and Judaism are absolutely disgusting. Some old practices like honour killing are ancient cultural practices and not because of Islam. Is honour killing in the Bible because of Islam? No. That would be absurd. I don't like Islam but I don't want to be an ignorant fool about it and go on denying facts.

In America you mutilate children's penises and the law allows it. Is it because of religion? For most it's not. It's a cultural practice I find absolutely disgusting but I don't go on blaming religion for it.

In Uganda they sacrifice children to witch doctors. Is that because of Christianity or Islam which are the two main religions there? No, it is an ancient cultural belief and practice that has nothing to do with Christianity or Islam.

Again: Within Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. cultures which had these practices move away from them. Within Islam, cultures which had these practices keep them and cultures which did not have these practices move toward them. Doesn't mean there hasn't been evil associated with every religion, or that any religion is perfect, or that every evil in the world past or present is somehow associated with Islam. It just means that Islam tends to be a force for evil, all else being equal. Even the name, meaning submission, is antithetical to Western civilization where religion and secularism converge toward freedom.

One minor distinction is that these Islamic honor killings are occurring in the 21st century.

Exactly.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Islam is a religion of love and peace, except when it's not.

 

[nehalem256]

Islam is a religion of love and peace, except when it's not.

Kinda like liberals are all for advocating cultural diversity, except when they don't.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

Again: Within Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. cultures which had these practices move away from them. Within Islam, cultures which had these practices keep them and cultures which did not have these practices move toward them. Doesn't mean there hasn't been evil associated with every religion, or that any religion is perfect, or that every evil in the world past or present is somehow associated with Islam. It just means that Islam tends to be a force for evil, all else being equal. Even the name, meaning submission, is antithetical to Western civilization where religion and secularism converge toward freedom.

Religion is evil. Religion tends to be conservative and work against social change like getting rid of honour killing but this is a completely different argument. You said I'm defending Islam by calling honour killing cultural. Of course it's bloody cultural and no saying so is not defending Islam. Christians commit honour killings where I live. Is it because of their religion? No. Am I defending Christianity by saying their honour killings are cultural? Fuck no, that's insane.

Islam is a religion of love and peace, except when it's not.

Or more like: Islam is the cause of all evil, even when it's not.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Kinda like liberals are all for advocating cultural diversity, except when they don't.

More like you continually pretending that you have a valid point except you never do...

 

[nehalem256]

More like you continually pretending that you have a valid point except you never do...

I certainly do have a valid point. Liberals are all about diversity! How dare we tell Pakistanis that their culture is wrong. Try being less racist and more tolerant.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Anyone care to discuss the fact that this guy strangled his first wife? Seems like he's got a bit of a bad luck streak going on.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I certainly do have a valid point. Liberals are all about diversity! How dare we tell Pakistanis that their culture is wrong. Try being less racist and more tolerant.

Your toaster locked you out of the bedroom again?

 

[sm625]

It's up to the husband to decide if he wants to personally live out a scene from braveheart. Somehow I doubt it...

 

[nehalem256]

Your toaster locked you out of the bedroom again?

Please refrain from posting your perverse sexual fantasies in this forum.

 

[brycejones]

This message is hidden because nehalem256 is on your ignore list.

The ability to block stupid is awesome.......

 

[Victorian Gray]

Please refrain from posting your perverse sexual fantasies in this forum.

Your last relationship?

 

[nehalem256]

Your last relationship?

Please refrain from posting creepy excerpts from your personal porn stash.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Please refrain from posting creepy excerpts from your personal porn stash.

Cover your ass, you dropped your hat.

 

[brycejones]

Cover your ass, you dropped your hat.

I guess nehlam had a falling out with the toaster he must have been cheating on it with the salad shooter.

 

[MongGrel]

I guess nehlam had a falling out with the toaster he must have been cheating on it with the salad shooter.

I hate when that happens.

 

[MongGrel]

Just get our troops out of the Middle East, let them build a few short range Nukes and not ship em anywhere and blow each other up.

Problem solved.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I guess nehlam had a falling out with the toaster he must have been cheating on it with the salad shooter.

I heard that it was the coffee pot.

 

[werepossum]

Religion is evil. Religion tends to be conservative and work against social change like getting rid of honour killing but this is a completely different argument. You said I'm defending Islam by calling honour killing cultural. Of course it's bloody cultural and no saying so is not defending Islam. Christians commit honour killings where I live. Is it because of their religion? No. Am I defending Christianity by saying their honour killings are cultural? Fuck no, that's insane.

Or more like: Islam is the cause of all evil, even when it's not.

Oddly enough, a Google search on 'christian honor killings Finland' brings up only stories about Muslim honor killings. As far as religion being evil and working against social change like getting rid of honor killing, honor killings are on the rise in Europe as Europe gets less Christian - and purely coincidentally I'm sure, more Islamic.