Pregnant Pakistani woman publicly stoned to death by family

shira

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The family didn't approve of the man she married for love, so they filed abduction charges against him. And while the couple was on its way to court to contest the charges, the family killed the woman.

As far as I'm concerned, they should charge all 20 participants in this act with 1st degree murder, and imprison them for life. A few solid punishments like that and these nut-cases might think twice about destroying their own families to defend their "honor." Unfortunately, as reported in this story, there's a good chance the family members won't be punished severely, and might not be punished at all.

Barbarism at its finest

LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — A pregnant woman was stoned to death Tuesday by her own family outside a courthouse in the Pakistani city of Lahore for marrying the man she loved.

The woman was killed while on her way to court to contest an abduction case her family had filed against her husband. Her father was promptly arrested on murder charges, police investigator Rana Mujahid said, adding that police were working to apprehend all those who participated in this "heinous crime."

Arranged marriages are the norm among conservative Pakistanis, and hundreds of women are murdered every year in so-called honor killings carried out by husbands or relatives as a punishment for alleged adultery or other illicit sexual behavior.

Stonings in public settings, however, are extremely rare. Tuesday's attack took place in front of a crowd of onlookers in broad daylight. The courthouse is located on a main downtown thoroughfare.

A police officer, Naseem Butt, identified the slain woman as Farzana Parveen, 25, and said she had married Mohammad Iqbal, 45, against her family's wishes after being engaged to him for years.

Her father, Mohammad Azeem, had filed an abduction case against Iqbal, which the couple was contesting, said her lawyer, Mustafa Kharal. He said she was three months pregnant.

Nearly 20 members of Parveen's extended family, including her father and brothers, had waited outside the building that houses the high court of Lahore. As the couple walked up to the main gate, the relatives fired shots in the air and tried to snatch her from Iqbal, her lawyer said.

When she resisted, her father, brothers and other relatives started beating her, eventually pelting her with bricks from a nearby construction site, according to Mujahid and Iqbal, the slain woman's husband.

Iqbal said he started seeing Parveen after the death of his first wife, with whom he had five children.

"We were in love," he told The Associated Press. He alleged that the woman's family wanted to fleece money from him before marrying her off.

"I simply took her to court and registered a marriage," infuriating the family, he said.

Parveen's father surrendered after the attack and called his daughter's murder an "honor killing," Butt said.

"I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it," Mujahid, the police investigator, quoted the father as saying.

Mujahid said the woman's body was handed over to her husband for burial.

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, a private group, said in a report last month that some 869 women were murdered in honor killings in 2013.

But even Pakistanis who have tracked violence against women expressed shock at the brutal and public nature of Tuesday's slaying.

"I have not heard of any such case in which a woman was stoned to death, and the most shameful and worrying thing is that this woman was killed outside a courthouse," said Zia Awan, a prominent lawyer and human rights activist.

He said Pakistanis who commit violence against women are often acquitted or handed light sentences because of poor police work and faulty prosecutions.

"Either the family does not pursue such cases or police don't properly investigate. As a result, the courts either award light sentences to the attackers, or they are acquitted," he said.
 

Jaskalas

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I suggest one of either two conclusions.

  1. They recognize that woman are slaves under Islamic law. No crime, no punishment.
  2. They recognize the crime and behead the blasphemers who sinned.
 

OutHouse

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"I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it," Mujahid, the police investigator, quoted the father as saying.

what an animal and savage.
 

OCGuy

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And liberals here rail against evil straight white men and their war on women...

You know I have to say on this one...usually it is the liberals who come in and equate US relig-nuts with Fundie Muslims......

But this time it wasn't them..... :/
 

nehalem256

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To quote liberals:

"You are free to marry whoever you wish, but you are not free from the consequences."
 

momeNt

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Religion is shaped by culture. To blame this on religion is very shortsighted. It's a cultural problem to believe that families give consent to marriages. Unless you really believe a god-like being convinced these people that this is the way, you would have to agree that religion is formed by people looking to give structure to their cultural beliefs and values.
 

Brovane

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Savages acting like Savages. Some of this people need a terminal case of kinetic energy poisoning.
 

justoh

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Religion is shaped by culture. To blame this on religion is very shortsighted. It's a cultural problem to believe that families give consent to marriages. Unless you really believe a god-like being convinced these people that this is the way, you would have to agree that religion is formed by people looking to give structure to their cultural beliefs and values.

You (sorta) acknowledge that religion is [in]formed by people looking to give [credibility] to their [stupid] beliefs and "values," yet state that we can't blame religion. Religion often makes it possible for shit like this to persist within the "culture," for hundreds of years, as the sine quo non. Obtuse?
 

senseamp

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Another victim of religion. RIP.
On the other hand, their actions did a little bit to help clean the gene pool up after themselves. Stoning your own pregnant children is not a good evolutionary strategy.
 

Thebobo

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To quote liberals:

"You are free to marry whoever you wish, but you are not free from the consequences."

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MongGrel

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I read that at lunch.

Good system over there ya think? You can forgive someone for murder in the family, but if it is the same family you can have someone else do it and just forgive em and just go back to normal life.

The court system there allows you to just forgive them for a death if they are a relative of the murdered person.

:rolleyes:

Apparently it happens all the time, the non recorded cases even higher that aren't in the media.

http://news.yahoo.com/pregnant-pakistani-woman-stoned-death-family-163143284.html
 
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OCGuy

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On the other hand, their actions did a little bit to help clean the gene pool up after themselves. Stoning your own pregnant children is not a good evolutionary strategy.

Unless you are attempting to create a master-race of stone-proof children.
 

momeNt

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You (sorta) acknowledge that religion is [in]formed by people looking to give [credibility] to their [stupid] beliefs and "values," yet state that we can't blame religion. Religion often makes it possible for shit like this to persist within the "culture," for hundreds of years, as the sine quo non. Obtuse?

Is religion the only structure formed by people to reinforce their beliefs and values? No. Is it the only one that causes this kind of damage? No. So why bother blaming religion when it is clear that humans form cultural structures that allow harm to persist?

The concept of authority is a cultural structure, the argument for its credibility has persisted through divine providence, military force, proletariat revolution, and democracy.

The problem is more base to humanity than a concept like religion.
 

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I don't think it's necessarily fair to blame religion in this case. Honour killing goes way back. It predates Islam in the region probably. The Bible for example is full of laws by God regarding honour killing, when to do it, how to kill (stoning, burning) the person in question etc. It seems honour killing is just an ancient cultural tradition that has survived in some places through the ages.
 

Bateluer

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Truly sickening.

I doubt an Islamic Pakistani court is going to give them any more than a token slap on the wrist though.