PREDICTION: Microsoft will lose hard on this generation.

[exdeath]

For all intents and purposes.....

 

[QuikWgn]

oh noes!! the grammar police! Srsly just kidding

 

[exdeath]

That's one of the most obnoxious ones. Its not just being in a hurry or messing up but shows clear intentional padding with phrases and buzzwords not understood by the author. :awe:

 

[QuikWgn]

It's called voice recognition not knowing the difference between "intents and" and "intensive and spellcheck not alerting me to the mistake because "intensive" is a properly spelled word and a little bit of me skimming the post too quickly and not catching it

 

[Arkaign]

True but all the 'new' things the PS3/360 consoles gained were on platforms where these type of things were after thoughts. For all intents and purposes fom the Sony press other than tacked on apps like Hulu/NetFlix they have no actual future proofed application support built in and no interest in becoming the "centerpiece of your living room". The X-Bone has a REAL Windows kernel (albeit Windows 8) onboard and the ability to run VIRTUAL MACHINES plus HUGE volumes of cloud support from the Azure platform. This gives it a huge edge for the integration of emerging technologies.

(1)- Tacked on or not tacked on, if Hulu and Netflix work, what's the difference? That comment doesn't even make any sense.

(2)- Future-proofed application support built in? Are you high? You can code apps for whatever system has the demand for it.

(3)- The 'centerpiece of your living room?' Are you smoking the same dope that Microsoft is smoking? It must be good stuff! Buzzword does not = meaningful reality. Question, does it play games? Y/N? Can it stream video? Y/N? Can it support new software/apps as demand comes for them? Y/N? The answer to all of this is Y/Y/Y for even the WiiU/PS3/X360. And very few people give an eff about their console being a remote control for their TV, or using freaking IE/Bing when their iPhone/Tablet/etc already do that better anyway.

(4)- The cloud hype is astonishingly blatant DRM disguised as some benefit. It's worthless. It's worse than worthless, it is an attempt to close you into their little system WITHOUT the benefits they are promising. Short of a 10GBe local network or just talking background BS, there is not going to be some amazing makeup for the hardware shortfall with 'cloud' resources. Those crappy GPU specs? All the compute power in the world won't help that over the freaking internet, unless you're streaming FMV. Even then, good luck with your internet speed. Many of my clients have 'Microsoft Online Services' for their hosted exchange/Sharepoint, and you know what? It sucks ass. It crashes or has a "service degradation" at LEAST once a month. And it's not a resold service, no. This is straight from Microsoft, I can post the redacted bills to prove it if you want. My personal google services email? NEVER crashes.

The amount of spin and distraction that Microsoft and their hardcore fanboys are attempting with the Xbone is spectacularly entertaining. At the end of the day, it's an underpowered console from a company run by a combination of idiots and greedy bastards, that isn't particularly affordable, isn't particularly friendly in how you can use it, and is trying to be the champion of doing CRAP WE CAN ALREADY DO.

 

[QuikWgn]

(1)- Tacked on or not tacked on, if Hulu and Netflix work, what's the difference? That comment doesn't even make any sense.

(2)- Future-proofed application support built in? Are you high? You can code apps for whatever system has the demand for it.

(3)- The 'centerpiece of your living room?' Are you smoking the same dope that Microsoft is smoking? It must be good stuff! Buzzword does not = meaningful reality. Question, does it play games? Y/N? Can it stream video? Y/N? Can it support new software/apps as demand comes for them? Y/N? The answer to all of this is Y/Y/Y for even the WiiU/PS3/X360. And very few people give an eff about their console being a remote control for their TV, or using freaking IE/Bing when their iPhone/Tablet/etc already do that better anyway.

(4)- The cloud hype is astonishingly blatant DRM disguised as some benefit. It's worthless. It's worse than worthless, it is an attempt to close you into their little system WITHOUT the benefits they are promising. Short of a 10GBe local network or just talking background BS, there is not going to be some amazing makeup for the hardware shortfall with 'cloud' resources. Those crappy GPU specs? All the compute power in the world won't help that over the freaking internet, unless you're streaming FMV. Even then, good luck with your internet speed. Many of my clients have 'Microsoft Online Services' for their hosted exchange/Sharepoint, and you know what? It sucks ass. It crashes or has a "service degradation" at LEAST once a month. And it's not a resold service, no. This is straight from Microsoft, I can post the redacted bills to prove it if you want. My personal google services email? NEVER crashes.

The amount of spin and distraction that Microsoft and their hardcore fanboys are attempting with the Xbone is spectacularly entertaining. At the end of the day, it's an underpowered console from a company run by a combination of idiots and greedy bastards, that isn't particularly affordable, isn't particularly friendly in how you can use it, and is trying to be the champion of doing CRAP WE CAN ALREADY DO.

As some of the members here know (from our Forza race nights) I work for a large ISP in an admin capacity, so I'd say I have some insight into the field regarding what is coming down the pipe that the general population may not have. *Nuff said*

 

[CPA]

And mom and pop are still oblivious. That's not the greatest argument.

I'm a pop and I'm not oblivious. You have to remember that most "pops" in 2013 were teens back in the late 80s early 90s when consoles started becoming prevalent. We grew up with consoles and continue to use them, so we do pay attention. There will never be a XBox One in my household, as it currently stands. It will be the first XBox generation that I will not purchase.

 

[preslove]

PS4 is going to win because the uninformed user will get the general impression that PS4 is simply 'better' than XB1. Informed users will know all the reasons posted in this thread.

 

[Arkaign]

Ah the old "I can't tell you, but trust me" line. Ignore all the problems and negatives, trust me it will be fine!

All the cloud BS in the world won't do jack crap for those with no or poor internet anyway.

 

[Arkaign]

PS4 is going to win because the uninformed user will get the general impression that PS4 is simply 'better' than XB1.

Not just the uninformed, but ESPECIALLY the informed. Unless you get informed about how the specs on the Xbone blow, informed about how they DRM it to death, how you can't go 24+ hr without Hal9000 checking you out, how you can't unplug the POS Kinect, you might be more likely to buy an XB1.

Knowing these things, it's no wonder that polls on the subject have PS4 leading by MASSIVE margins. I'm not even a Sony fan, I play mostly on PC (on Windows, somewhat ironically), but the Xbone is a loser with both the informed AND the informed.

 

[Andrew5]

Bad decisions doom a company.
There's always another company lurking in the shadows ready to capitalize on stupid decisions.
Microsoft/Xbox will be the next Atari. A great console in it's generation until stupid corporate decisions brought about their downfall.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Ah the old "I can't tell you, but trust me" line. Ignore all the problems and negatives, trust me it will be fine!

All the cloud BS in the world won't do jack crap for those with no or poor internet anyway.

Well for those people we have the 360.

 

[Nintendesert]

As some of the members here know (from our Forza race nights) I work for a large ISP in an admin capacity, so I'd say I have some insight into the field regarding what is coming down the pipe that the general population may not have. *Nuff said*

Right. Because none of us work in IT and call BS when we see it.

 

[lupi]

Hehe, I still can't believe he went with the 'there is the 360" line. As soon as some non-360 titles come out reporters should ask him how the 360 players should play them.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well for those people we have the 360.

haha...I'm surprised he didn't say "buy a PC"

Right. Because none of us work in IT and call BS when we see it.

Precisely...

As I said before. There are only so many shaders, only so many ROPs, and only so much memory bandwidth. You cannot overcome hardware limitations by connecting to a server on the internet. Why do you think a GTX660 cannot play Crysis 3 the same as a Titan? Nobody has managed to leverage the "cloud" (lol buzzword) to overcome hardware limitations. Not with all the latency, lag, outages, slow hubs/routers along the chain etc etc.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Hehe, I still can't believe he went with the 'there is the 360" line. As soon as some non-360 titles come out reporters should ask him how the 360 players should play them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkEe_l7S3g

That guy from Microsoft really comes off as a douchebag. "Cant connect every 24 hours, well we have the 360"

 

[bguile]

Wish you'd change the threads title. Some viagra would solve the xbones problem.

 

[DaveSimmons]

As some of the members here know (from our Forza race nights) I work for a large ISP in an admin capacity, so I'd say I have some insight into the field regarding what is coming down the pipe that the general population may not have. *Nuff said*

I write both client and server software for a living. I haven't written any of our Amazon cloud server software but I've written client code to connect to it.

I've yet to hear anything from MS or EA about magic cloud goodness that is any more credible than EA's SimCity BS. At best I expect some minor enhancements that don't affect gameplay, like dialing up hardware PhysX in a few PC games.

 

[QuikWgn]

And I know that my company is already trialing IPTV and was one of the first to recognize that our customers like apps like ESPN/HBOgo/ONDemand/WWE etc on their XBox.

 

[cmdrdredd]

And I know that my company is already trialing IPTV and was one of the first to recognize that our customers like apps like ESPN/HBOgo/ONDemand/WWE etc on their XBox.

OK and what about people, there are millions who don't give a shit about sports and don't sit and watch movies all day? Or people who decide having cable is getting too expensive and drop it altogether. I know a couple people who did just that this year.

 

[preslove]

Articles like this spell the doom of XBone: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...xbox-one-for-best-new-video-game-console.html

But enough with the suspense. The future is here, the results are in, and the verdict is...

Not even close. The PS4 has been so roundly declared winner of the console wars that it makes Barack Obama’s victory last November look like a squeaker. The results of gaming news site IGN’s unofficial “election,” for example: of 84,000 voters, 75% picked the PS4 as the best platform. It was so obvious to so many people that those claiming to favor the “Xbone” were accused of being Microsoft shills, paid by the company to infiltrate message boards and comments sections to balance the scales. If only there were some massive government apparatus available to us to sift through the metadata and sleuth these fakers out.

The informed think PS4 > XBone, and articles like this one, advice from hardcore gamers, and Gamestop & other store employees will all tell the uninformed to get a PS4.

 

[Tweak155]

OK and what about people, there are millions who don't give a shit about sports and don't sit and watch movies all day? Or people who decide having cable is getting too expensive and drop it altogether. I know a couple people who did just that this year.

For them there is the original Xbox.

 

[cmdrdredd]

For them there is the original Xbox.

Or hell a WiiU and I can netflix for free even on the gamepad screen while someone watches Dancing with the Stars or some crap. lol

 

[Wreckem]

This.

I am looking for a reason to pick up a Wii-U, but right now Nintendo simply isn't providing enough of a reason to do so. They need to

1) Release some of their core franchises on the system.
2) Come up with some new IP and release them too.

NSMBU and Zombie-U aren't enough to sell me the system, and I couldn't care less about 3rd party support. I only by consoles for exclusives, everything else is on PC.

At a $350 price point, its assinine to not want 3rd party content and only be limited to a scant handful of games all of the same 5-6 franchieses.

As for new 1st party ip? Thats rare for Nintendo. So don't hold your breath.

WiiU will have little third party support, most publishers have already started to cut and run from the platform. So that leaves Nintendo's first party titles. That may sell consoles, but its not going to be enough to make the console competitive, let alone a financial powerhouse like the Wii.

The WiiU and Xbox One aren't going to come close to their predecessors in terms of success. Where as the PS4, is likely to rival the PS2s success.

 

[BeaviSKY]

haha...I'm surprised he didn't say "buy a PC"

Which probably would've been the best advice. The lack of horsepower this whole gen is set to deliver is the real scandal. We waited 8 years for this?